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Old 5th May 2020, 01:37
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Man Working From Home Holds Useless 2-Hour Meeting With Himself

Saying he wanted to replicate the feeling of working from the office, Melbourne account manager Liam Hickey has set up a daily 2-hour meeting with himself, with no clear agenda or likely outcomes.

After exchanging a few superficial pleasantries with himself about what he had planned for the weekend, Hickey spent the remaining 110 minutes trying to impress himself with long words and meaningless suggestions.

“We need to drive the strategic-focused optics on this solution and then circle back,” Hickey said before repeating the same phrase, but louder and more slowly.

After going off on a twenty-minute tangent about needing to move the needle on operational efficiencies, Hickey suggested to himself that he take that offline and discuss it at a separate meeting, which he would set up for later in the day.

Towards the end of the meeting he began to make his first interesting suggestion before cutting himself off with a comment about an unrelated matter.

At the end of the meeting he spent ten minutes scheduling the next meeting, and then sent an email to himself with the key topics discussed, which he did not read.

The Shovel

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Old 5th May 2020, 04:55
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
... and here’s a post from Dearest Gavin:

“Whilst we are saving money. Is the Captain really necessary?”

Now we know...
Oh dear. That was a sarcastic answer on a stupid question. To putt something out of context. Bravo!
Now back on topic

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Old 5th May 2020, 05:11
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Originally Posted by anxiao View Post
Tommy I love this quote from the article.

"Office workers spent an average of 66 minutes per day discussing nonwork topics, while remote employees only spent 29 minutes doing the same. Managers were found to be particularly distracting, as they were found to spend nearly 70 minutes talking about nonwork topics compared to the 38 minutes spent on average by nonmanagers.

You don't need to see the source research to agree to the second sentence. I would guess every non manager worker in the world has experienced it at some time ;-)
Yes exactly. Maybe not for everyone, maybe not everywhere and definitely not full time, but working from home will definitely increase. And business trips will decrease, at least in the coming years:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielr...rhaps-forever/

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Old 5th May 2020, 08:25
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CX office workers working from their homes would crash eBay & Amazon ....
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Old 5th May 2020, 11:15
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CX office workers working from their homes would crash eBay & Amazon ....
at least there they can sleep in their own bed after that 2 hour lunch.
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Old 5th May 2020, 14:44
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LGW Takes a Hit

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er_dailymailUK

Much more to follow..
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Old 5th May 2020, 15:30
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So the hunger games society begins. Anyone see that recent London real interview?
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Old 5th May 2020, 21:44
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United airs plans.

Read and notice here what no-one at CX has heard "Clerical AND Management." How many "Managers" at CX are being prepared for furlough ??? The BS and berating at CX is always always always about bashing Flight Crew and never doubting management sycophants !!!

https://www.newsmax.com/finance/comp.../05/id/966131/
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Old 5th May 2020, 22:22
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Spoke with a friend at United yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 4000 pilots to be furloughed. Further, he told me that his colleagues at both AA and DL have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well. You can draw your own conclusions...
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Old 6th May 2020, 01:38
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Spoke with a friend at United yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 4000 pilots to be furloughed. Further, he told me that his colleagues at both AA and DL have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well. You can draw your own conclusions...
Yep, it’s going to be a sh!tshow. At least 10000 US pilots furloughed, possibly over 20000 across all passenger airlines. It’s going to be ugly for quite a while. It’ll be interesting to see which ones come crawling back to CX on their hands and knees for DEFO. That assumes CX still exists and doesn’t have its own redundancies.
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Old 6th May 2020, 01:48
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Originally Posted by Flex88 View Post
Read and notice here what no-one at CX has heard "Clerical AND Management." How many "Managers" at CX are being prepared for furlough ??? The BS and berating at CX is always always always about bashing Flight Crew and never doubting management sycophants !!!
We don't know what CX is planning, but if other airlines are any guide then redundancies across the board are likely. Were you asleep several years ago when a large number of office staff AND managers were made redundant at the beginning of the 'transformation' program? I don't recall any pilots being made redundant at the time.
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Old 6th May 2020, 10:32
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GMA now claiming that ' ....approaching 500 pilots employed on COS18........including experienced Captains.........which provides a strong foundation for us to come through this crisis.'

Surely a big hint here as to what all the remaining CX HK pilots will now be expected to sign up to?
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Old 6th May 2020, 16:20
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So sad

How will those on Arap survive on Cos18? I can assume some have Young families and will need to pay 40-60k/month mortgage payments.

​​​​​​What is the purpose of the AOA after this is all done?

See you all in economy when you're pxing


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Old 6th May 2020, 16:22
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
Spoke with a friend at United yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 4000 pilots to be furloughed. Further, he told me that his colleagues at both AA and DL have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well. You can draw your own conclusions...
Spoke to a friend at Rumour Air yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 83646383 pirates to get the lethal injection. Further, he told me that his colleagues at Air Thumb Suck and Mole Airlines have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well.

But hey psssst, please keep it quiet as only me and the very bored exclusive ring I'm in knows about this and the media will never find out...NEVAAA!
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Old 6th May 2020, 16:25
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Not saying things won't get bad. Just saying we have some real characters here who have nothing better to do than continually start their own rumours. Shame...
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Old 6th May 2020, 21:32
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Rumours ?

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Not saying things won't get bad. Just saying we have some real characters here who have nothing better to do than continually start their own rumours. Shame...
Here you go Bokpiel, another one of those pesky "rumours", this one from Forbes Magazine just 2 days ago. This rumour relates to only ONE of the worlds 5000+ airlines.. Do the math ??????

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielr.../#71a4115d2bf5
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Old 6th May 2020, 21:59
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
Yep, it’s going to be a sh!tshow. At least 10000 US pilots furloughed, possibly over 20000 across all passenger airlines. It’s going to be ugly for quite a while. It’ll be interesting to see which ones come crawling back to CX on their hands and knees for DEFO. That assumes CX still exists and doesn’t have its own redundancies.
WOW!! Come crawling back to CX on their "hands and knees" he says!! I spent 12+ years at CX, and I would rather be DESTITUTE than to subject myself and my family to that life again. Please be careful not to fall off of that pedestal!!
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Old 7th May 2020, 04:30
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Originally Posted by cabbages View Post
GMA now claiming that ' ....approaching 500 pilots employed on COS18........including experienced Captains.........which provides a strong foundation for us to come through this crisis.'

Surely a big hint here as to what all the remaining CX HK pilots will now be expected to sign up to?
unless you’re a CX pilot in which case you won’t get the hint. Back of napkin says around 105 million a month putting everyone on COS18. Exactly why would the company miss this opportunity?
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Old 7th May 2020, 06:25
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I think we’ll lose one of our group airlines. My money is on the amalgamation of KA and Express. Lots to be saved by one set of managers etc etc.
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Old 9th May 2020, 00:04
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Originally Posted by boxjockey View Post
WOW!! Come crawling back to CX on their "hands and knees" he says!! I spent 12+ years at CX, and I would rather be DESTITUTE than to subject myself and my family to that life again. Please be careful not to fall off of that pedestal!!
Box and others offended,
My bad! That wasn’t my intention. It was more of a statements about how crappy CoS18 is than about those willing to take it during hard times. We all fall off the pedestal at some point. Most of us do it more than once. I certainly have and may yet again if the sh!t hits the fan at CX.
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