Airlines Going Under
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Spoke with a friend at United yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 4000 pilots to be furloughed. Further, he told me that his colleagues at both AA and DL have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well. You can draw your own conclusions...
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From: Polar Route
Spoke with a friend at United yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 4000 pilots to be furloughed. Further, he told me that his colleagues at both AA and DL have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well. You can draw your own conclusions...
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GMA now claiming that ' ....approaching 500 pilots employed on COS18........including experienced Captains.........which provides a strong foundation for us to come through this crisis.'
Surely a big hint here as to what all the remaining CX HK pilots will now be expected to sign up to?
Surely a big hint here as to what all the remaining CX HK pilots will now be expected to sign up to?
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From: Hong Kong
So sad
How will those on Arap survive on Cos18? I can assume some have Young families and will need to pay 40-60k/month mortgage payments.
What is the purpose of the AOA after this is all done?
See you all in economy when you're pxing
What is the purpose of the AOA after this is all done?
See you all in economy when you're pxing
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From: HK
Spoke with a friend at United yesterday. He confirmed that they have been notified of approx 4000 pilots to be furloughed. Further, he told me that his colleagues at both AA and DL have also told him of similar numbers to be let go at both of those carriers as well. You can draw your own conclusions...
But hey psssst, please keep it quiet as only me and the very bored exclusive ring I'm in knows about this and the media will never find out...NEVAAA!
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Rumours ?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielr.../#71a4115d2bf5
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Yep, it’s going to be a sh!tshow. At least 10000 US pilots furloughed, possibly over 20000 across all passenger airlines. It’s going to be ugly for quite a while. It’ll be interesting to see which ones come crawling back to CX on their hands and knees for DEFO. That assumes CX still exists and doesn’t have its own redundancies.
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GMA now claiming that ' ....approaching 500 pilots employed on COS18........including experienced Captains.........which provides a strong foundation for us to come through this crisis.'
Surely a big hint here as to what all the remaining CX HK pilots will now be expected to sign up to?
Surely a big hint here as to what all the remaining CX HK pilots will now be expected to sign up to?
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From: Polar Route
My bad! That wasn’t my intention. It was more of a statements about how crappy CoS18 is than about those willing to take it during hard times. We all fall off the pedestal at some point. Most of us do it more than once. I certainly have and may yet again if the sh!t hits the fan at CX.
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Box and others offended,
My bad! That wasn’t my intention. It was more of a statements about how crappy CoS18 is than about those willing to take it during hard times. We all fall off the pedestal at some point. Most of us do it more than once. I certainly have and may yet again if the sh!t hits the fan at CX.
My bad! That wasn’t my intention. It was more of a statements about how crappy CoS18 is than about those willing to take it during hard times. We all fall off the pedestal at some point. Most of us do it more than once. I certainly have and may yet again if the sh!t hits the fan at CX.
Boxjockey, another full of !!!!! poster on here. You have any idea at all what destitute means? Sleeping in your car in the carpark mall with 2 kids in the back. Getting woken up every 3 hrs by security and told to move on. Washing in a public bathroom, queuing at a soup kitchen, trying to get a job with no fixed address, trying to stay current as a pilot so you can find a job. You have no idea what the guys out of work in this profession are going through right now. So wind your head in, when you say you'd rather be destitute. You have no clue.
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From: Polar Route
Pickup,
You are the problem! First year pay? What about the rest of the contract? Destitute? You are comparing a pilot to an unemployed and homeless person. Why? Pilots are capable of much more than flying. We can do many other things. History shows us that. During every downturn, many pilots have left flying and never returned because they found better gigs elsewhere. Wake up JA!
You are the problem! First year pay? What about the rest of the contract? Destitute? You are comparing a pilot to an unemployed and homeless person. Why? Pilots are capable of much more than flying. We can do many other things. History shows us that. During every downturn, many pilots have left flying and never returned because they found better gigs elsewhere. Wake up JA!
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Compared to what? BOAC captains? Starting pay first year cadet at CX is better than first year at Ryanair, BA, etc. You obviously haven't got a clue what other airlines are paying. The cheapest I've seen is earning 1000 Euro a month RHS on a 320 in Europe. You think COS 18 is worse.....
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With all due respect, history has shown, that they have seldom, given anything back, once taken.
I would humbly suggest that unless our HKAOA obtain in writing, exactly what or how much of any concession will be returned once CX return to profitability, that the chances of a voluntary return is so slim a possibility, as to not being worth considering.
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Such hopes are at best wishful thinking, and more likely, simply naive.
With all due respect, history has shown, that they have seldom, given anything back, once taken.
I would humbly suggest that unless our HKAOA obtain in writing, exactly what or how much of any concession will be returned once CX return to profitability, that the chances of a voluntary return is so slim a possibility, as to not being worth considering.
With all due respect, history has shown, that they have seldom, given anything back, once taken.
I would humbly suggest that unless our HKAOA obtain in writing, exactly what or how much of any concession will be returned once CX return to profitability, that the chances of a voluntary return is so slim a possibility, as to not being worth considering.
At the moment we are obviously losing a lot of money far more that the monthly reduction due to SLS (cos18 excepted). Purely a personal opinion but I am amazed that we haven’t as yet seen redundancies. I know at times we all have our gripes about the company but talking to my mates in BA and Virgin is sobering ( normally it isn’t !)
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From: Krug departure, Merlot transition
I don’t think we would require being “paid back” any income lost during a (defined) period of hardship for the company, personally I would already be satisfied with not permanently give up any terms and conditions (which we would indeed never get back). In other words, any concessions made (such as a salary sacrifice) should be limited in time, after which an automatic return to current terms and conditions occurs.
Anything else is just trying to take advantage of the current crisis to permanently cut unit costs and our income/quality of life. If they don’t need our labour, redundancies are natural; but if they want to keep the frontline workforce intact in view of making a killing post-crisis, then asking for permanent concessions is not acceptable.
Anything else is just trying to take advantage of the current crisis to permanently cut unit costs and our income/quality of life. If they don’t need our labour, redundancies are natural; but if they want to keep the frontline workforce intact in view of making a killing post-crisis, then asking for permanent concessions is not acceptable.
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From: In Sin
Do I want to be out of work?
Do I want a year of unpaid leave?
Should I stick to my rigid views about the company?
No .
I read about expats working for free in Vietnam. Donating their time to save the company.
Would you rather donate your time without pay or loose your job?
A bit like Ronald Regan who said he’d rather be dead than red .
Do I want a year of unpaid leave?
Should I stick to my rigid views about the company?
No .
I read about expats working for free in Vietnam. Donating their time to save the company.
Would you rather donate your time without pay or loose your job?
A bit like Ronald Regan who said he’d rather be dead than red .
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From: Eden Valley
I hope you are OK. Tough times for many.
I read about one expat guy only? There's thread running over on the Far East forum. Not sure if that's your info' source and it certainly seems he's upset locals and expats alike. Some suggesting upsetting locals in that country means sleeping with one eye open for the rest of your contract!