Airlines Going Under
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My employer mentioned last week that all 27k UK employees will remain work from home for a considerable time partly due to finding out the business operates just as well when home based, there are also rumours that the majority of the 16k located in London will be offered home working permanently and the company will offload several large properties. It would not be surprising to see the majority of companies doing the same in order to remove the costly real estate burden now that they have successfully experienced lengthy working from home. My employer also announced zero travel and complete change around travel in the future stating video conference will be the go to option.
This is the problem we now face...
My employer mentioned last week that all 27k UK employees will remain work from home for a considerable time partly due to finding out the business operates just as well when home based, there are also rumours that the majority of the 16k located in London will be offered home working permanently and the company will offload several large properties. It would not be surprising to see the majority of companies doing the same in order to remove the costly real estate burden now that they have successfully experienced lengthy working from home. My employer also announced zero travel and complete change around travel in the future stating video conference will be the go to option.
This is the problem we now face...
It's always the case when business management was forced to take drastic measures and realise 'oh wait, this works and cost less money?? WOW' then it would never go back to the old way that cost money....
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Many people who now think working from home is a viable option long term will be surprised when demand actually returns to normal. It's easy to work from home with very little to do.
I read somewhere today that only about 15% of people have jobs that are possible to do at home. How effective that 15% will be at home is another matter.
A previous employer of mine banned working from home all together.
I read somewhere today that only about 15% of people have jobs that are possible to do at home. How effective that 15% will be at home is another matter.
A previous employer of mine banned working from home all together.
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The current social science says most people working from home aren’t very productive. There are exceptions of course, but I don’t think most employers are willing to go down that route long term unless very strict measures of performance are possible. Also, online communications are often deceptive. Without in person body language, it’s tough to know if perceived truth is real or not.
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[QUOTE=cxorcist;10772331]The current social science says most people working from home aren’t very productive. There are exceptions of course, but I don’t think most employers are willing to go down that route long term unless very strict measures of performance are possible. Also, online communications are often deceptive. Without in person body language, it’s tough to know if perceived truth is real or not.[/QUOTE
BS:
https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/15...roductive.html
My friends say the same. That is of course if you don't have little kids running around.
BS:
https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/15...roductive.html
My friends say the same. That is of course if you don't have little kids running around.
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Home Working
The current social science says most people working from home aren’t very productive. There are exceptions of course, but I don’t think most employers are willing to go down that route long term unless very strict measures of performance are possible. Also, online communications are often deceptive. Without in person body language, it’s tough to know if perceived truth is real or not.
As an aside, The US Dow is tanking at this very moment due to a annual Corporate Shareholder Meeting by Berkshire Hathaway (i.e Warren Buffet).. Literally everyone in the world listens to this guy and react to his moves. His big move today - selling his entire holdings in the 4 largest US Airlines and, after being pressed on this, indicated that getting into this sector in the future - share purchasers should use extreme caution (caveat emptor) !!!
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From: Polar Route
[QUOTE=Tommy Gavin;10772408]
So you think one article and/or study makes it so?
Seems a bit flimsy to me. Fake news/study?
The current social science says most people working from home aren’t very productive. There are exceptions of course, but I don’t think most employers are willing to go down that route long term unless very strict measures of performance are possible. Also, online communications are often deceptive. Without in person body language, it’s tough to know if perceived truth is real or not.[/QUOTE
BS:
https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/15...roductive.html
My friends say the same. That is of course if you don't have little kids running around.
BS:
https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/15...roductive.html
My friends say the same. That is of course if you don't have little kids running around.
Seems a bit flimsy to me. Fake news/study?
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From: Europe
[QUOTE=cxorcist;10772497]
At least I refer to one.
But if you've ever worked in an office environment you know there is way too much distraction which isn't at home provided the little ones are at school.
Maybe not 5 days per week but 2 or 3 are entirely possible. However face to face contact will always be important. Having said this I dare to say that at least 20 percent of business trips are unnecessary and an excuse to go on the piss in a different city / country.
But if you've ever worked in an office environment you know there is way too much distraction which isn't at home provided the little ones are at school.
Maybe not 5 days per week but 2 or 3 are entirely possible. However face to face contact will always be important. Having said this I dare to say that at least 20 percent of business trips are unnecessary and an excuse to go on the piss in a different city / country.
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From: Polar Route
[QUOTE=Tommy Gavin;10772504]
At least I refer to one.
But if you've ever worked in an office environment you know there is way too much distraction which isn't at home provided the little ones are at school.
Maybe not 5 days per week but 2 or 3 are entirely possible. However face to face contact will always be important. Having said this I dare to say that at least 20 percent of business trips are unnecessary and an excuse to go on the piss in a different city / country.
So, if I google an article and/or study and post it here, it gives me more credibility? Wow, who knew the Internet was so devoid of garbage?
How about the value of human interaction, synergy, working groups, sharing, learning, etc? All that can and should be done online now? So all these modern tech companies with their big campuses and open work spaces are wrong? Businesses have been spending all this money, all these years for no good reason. Who knew?
To me, you sound like a gullible, new age youngster thinking we should recreate the wheel because, all of a sudden, your much smarter generation has it all figured out. Please!
At least I refer to one.
But if you've ever worked in an office environment you know there is way too much distraction which isn't at home provided the little ones are at school.
Maybe not 5 days per week but 2 or 3 are entirely possible. However face to face contact will always be important. Having said this I dare to say that at least 20 percent of business trips are unnecessary and an excuse to go on the piss in a different city / country.
How about the value of human interaction, synergy, working groups, sharing, learning, etc? All that can and should be done online now? So all these modern tech companies with their big campuses and open work spaces are wrong? Businesses have been spending all this money, all these years for no good reason. Who knew?
To me, you sound like a gullible, new age youngster thinking we should recreate the wheel because, all of a sudden, your much smarter generation has it all figured out. Please!
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From: Europe
[QUOTE=cxorcist;10772516]
To me, you sound like an arrogant, reminescent old age alcoholic who thinks his way is the only way. Please!
Now if you've actually read what I wrote you realise I actually value human interaction.
So, if I google an article and/or study and post it here, it gives me more credibility? Wow, who knew the Internet was so devoid of garbage?
How about the value of human interaction, synergy, working groups, sharing, learning, etc? All that can and should be done online now? So all these modern tech companies with their big campuses and open work spaces are wrong? Businesses have been spending all this money, all these years for no good reason. Who knew?
To me, you sound like a gullible, new age youngster thinking we should recreate the wheel because, all of a sudden, your much smarter generation has it all figured out. Please!
How about the value of human interaction, synergy, working groups, sharing, learning, etc? All that can and should be done online now? So all these modern tech companies with their big campuses and open work spaces are wrong? Businesses have been spending all this money, all these years for no good reason. Who knew?
To me, you sound like a gullible, new age youngster thinking we should recreate the wheel because, all of a sudden, your much smarter generation has it all figured out. Please!
Now if you've actually read what I wrote you realise I actually value human interaction.
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Apparently I touched a nerve with cxorcist... #snowflake
Private message. I rest my case
Momma’s Boy
From cxorcist 4th May 2020 20:02
[QUOTE=Tommy Gavin;10772521]
Quote:
Originally Posted by cxorcist
To me, you sound like an arrogant, reminescent old age alcoholic who thinks his way is the only way. Please!
Now if you've actually read what I wrote you realise I actually value human interaction.
Alcoholic? You got that from my post. Good one Sherlock.
How about keeping your fake news and bad science in your overpriced universities where all the academics tell each other how smart they are and then use their friends in the media to reinforce their inflated self worth. Meanwhile, the “reminiscent, old age alcoholics” will keep you safe, fed, and pampered. ****!
Private message. I rest my case
Momma’s Boy
From cxorcist 4th May 2020 20:02
[QUOTE=Tommy Gavin;10772521]
Quote:
Originally Posted by cxorcist
To me, you sound like an arrogant, reminescent old age alcoholic who thinks his way is the only way. Please!
Now if you've actually read what I wrote you realise I actually value human interaction.
Alcoholic? You got that from my post. Good one Sherlock.
How about keeping your fake news and bad science in your overpriced universities where all the academics tell each other how smart they are and then use their friends in the media to reinforce their inflated self worth. Meanwhile, the “reminiscent, old age alcoholics” will keep you safe, fed, and pampered. ****!
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From: Kipling's Twain
Tommy I love this quote from the article.
"Office workers spent an average of 66 minutes per day discussing nonwork topics, while remote employees only spent 29 minutes doing the same. Managers were found to be particularly distracting, as they were found to spend nearly 70 minutes talking about nonwork topics compared to the 38 minutes spent on average by nonmanagers.
You don't need to see the source research to agree to the second sentence. I would guess every non manager worker in the world has experienced it at some time ;-)
"Office workers spent an average of 66 minutes per day discussing nonwork topics, while remote employees only spent 29 minutes doing the same. Managers were found to be particularly distracting, as they were found to spend nearly 70 minutes talking about nonwork topics compared to the 38 minutes spent on average by nonmanagers.
You don't need to see the source research to agree to the second sentence. I would guess every non manager worker in the world has experienced it at some time ;-)
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Man Working From Home Holds Useless 2-Hour Meeting With Himself
Saying he wanted to replicate the feeling of working from the office, Melbourne account manager Liam Hickey has set up a daily 2-hour meeting with himself, with no clear agenda or likely outcomes.
After exchanging a few superficial pleasantries with himself about what he had planned for the weekend, Hickey spent the remaining 110 minutes trying to impress himself with long words and meaningless suggestions.
“We need to drive the strategic-focused optics on this solution and then circle back,” Hickey said before repeating the same phrase, but louder and more slowly.
After going off on a twenty-minute tangent about needing to move the needle on operational efficiencies, Hickey suggested to himself that he take that offline and discuss it at a separate meeting, which he would set up for later in the day.
Towards the end of the meeting he began to make his first interesting suggestion before cutting himself off with a comment about an unrelated matter.
At the end of the meeting he spent ten minutes scheduling the next meeting, and then sent an email to himself with the key topics discussed, which he did not read.
The Shovel
Saying he wanted to replicate the feeling of working from the office, Melbourne account manager Liam Hickey has set up a daily 2-hour meeting with himself, with no clear agenda or likely outcomes.
After exchanging a few superficial pleasantries with himself about what he had planned for the weekend, Hickey spent the remaining 110 minutes trying to impress himself with long words and meaningless suggestions.
“We need to drive the strategic-focused optics on this solution and then circle back,” Hickey said before repeating the same phrase, but louder and more slowly.
After going off on a twenty-minute tangent about needing to move the needle on operational efficiencies, Hickey suggested to himself that he take that offline and discuss it at a separate meeting, which he would set up for later in the day.
Towards the end of the meeting he began to make his first interesting suggestion before cutting himself off with a comment about an unrelated matter.
At the end of the meeting he spent ten minutes scheduling the next meeting, and then sent an email to himself with the key topics discussed, which he did not read.
The Shovel
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From: Europe
Tommy I love this quote from the article.
"Office workers spent an average of 66 minutes per day discussing nonwork topics, while remote employees only spent 29 minutes doing the same. Managers were found to be particularly distracting, as they were found to spend nearly 70 minutes talking about nonwork topics compared to the 38 minutes spent on average by nonmanagers.
You don't need to see the source research to agree to the second sentence. I would guess every non manager worker in the world has experienced it at some time ;-)
"Office workers spent an average of 66 minutes per day discussing nonwork topics, while remote employees only spent 29 minutes doing the same. Managers were found to be particularly distracting, as they were found to spend nearly 70 minutes talking about nonwork topics compared to the 38 minutes spent on average by nonmanagers.
You don't need to see the source research to agree to the second sentence. I would guess every non manager worker in the world has experienced it at some time ;-)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielr...rhaps-forever/
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United airs plans.
Read and notice here what no-one at CX has heard "Clerical AND Management." How many "Managers" at CX are being prepared for furlough ??? The BS and berating at CX is always always always about bashing Flight Crew and never doubting management sycophants !!!
https://www.newsmax.com/finance/comp.../05/id/966131/
https://www.newsmax.com/finance/comp.../05/id/966131/