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I wasn't at the Focus Night but was this elephant in the room question asked?
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Probably all true. Show me one post where I dispute anything Rod said.
I knew from the start the company will not give in.
If you or Rod are "buying" what the company now says, what relevance has that? I certainly don't and I never have.
Which is why I voted in favour of the TA when it was on the table.
And you and Rod and many others didn't , instead you were busy insulting me,
and still not a word of regret.
Classy.
I knew from the start the company will not give in.
If you or Rod are "buying" what the company now says, what relevance has that? I certainly don't and I never have.
Which is why I voted in favour of the TA when it was on the table.
And you and Rod and many others didn't , instead you were busy insulting me,
and still not a word of regret.
Classy.
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The question was asked, and the accountant blatantly said that it didn't matter squat who the Hedge was with so stop fussing about it. DS then added that he hoped the hedge was with Swire, as then they could continue to run CX at a loss for a few years and keep us in a job, who knows?????????
Furthermore, is this pineapple going to save the Company or just fatten AT's bonus?
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Lets take a leaf out of the Ryanair pilots actions. Non unionized with over 80 bases and 4200 pilots throughout Europe they have acted within 48 hours to have management backing down and offering huge pay increases to keep the show on the road.
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Unfortunately I think the truth is more dire than some would like to believe. Hoping these muppets have the competence to pull off a major conspiracy and fraud is simply wishful thinking. The fact is they are muppets who had no more idea of where the price of fuel was heading than you or I. They gambled big simply because they can with no chance of personal loss but a 50 percent chance of personal gain in massive, unprecedented bonuses. There's nothing in the books worth hiding other than a 23 billion dollar embarrassment that the whole world knows and laughs about.
They aren't master criminals. They are incompetent.
But hey, if you can sleep easier thinking these people are brilliant then don't let me stop you.
They aren't master criminals. They are incompetent.
But hey, if you can sleep easier thinking these people are brilliant then don't let me stop you.
Occam's razor anyone?? Management at this airline are plain incompetent. They can't even run make money with a monopoly in Hong Kong, yet alone come up with some devious ingenious scheme to steal billions from their employees.
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It would seem reasonably fair to assist the company with some form of concessions. After all, it is in our own interest that the company survives and thrives.
HOWEVER, ... BUT, ... HANG ON A SEC:
A big NO to permanent concessions! They are after immediate 10% savings from the FOP workforce. They want that from a combination of more productivity, frozen salaries, reduced housing and reduced MPF.
Concessions could be made, but only for a limited time. The obvious limited would be when the fuel hedges expire. Moving forward from that, as the company returns to profit, formula need to be in place to return the concessions via increased profit share to those who helped.
That would be a genuine WIN/WIN.
HOWEVER, ... BUT, ... HANG ON A SEC:
A big NO to permanent concessions! They are after immediate 10% savings from the FOP workforce. They want that from a combination of more productivity, frozen salaries, reduced housing and reduced MPF.
Concessions could be made, but only for a limited time. The obvious limited would be when the fuel hedges expire. Moving forward from that, as the company returns to profit, formula need to be in place to return the concessions via increased profit share to those who helped.
That would be a genuine WIN/WIN.
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Arse,
Remove your head from your username.
There was a time I would have been sympathetic to helping the company out on the promise of payback. However, 2009 killed that after the backflip on 25 year Housing and them short-changing the Captains 10%.
Please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting we get it in writing. RPs were in writing and look what happened to them. Any concessions you give are permanent dispite what's written in the brochure.
Also, let's not forget that Alan Joyce got concessions from his work force to "save" Qantas. A few years later his pay doubled to $AUD 24.6m, about $HK150m.
Let's not kid ourselves as to what's about to happen. You are going to asked to do more for less so Management can prosper. You are probably going to accept this because you fear the consequences if you don't agree.
How does the quote go?.... Oh yeah... "To my bonus"
Remove your head from your username.
There was a time I would have been sympathetic to helping the company out on the promise of payback. However, 2009 killed that after the backflip on 25 year Housing and them short-changing the Captains 10%.
Please don't insult my intelligence by suggesting we get it in writing. RPs were in writing and look what happened to them. Any concessions you give are permanent dispite what's written in the brochure.
Also, let's not forget that Alan Joyce got concessions from his work force to "save" Qantas. A few years later his pay doubled to $AUD 24.6m, about $HK150m.
Let's not kid ourselves as to what's about to happen. You are going to asked to do more for less so Management can prosper. You are probably going to accept this because you fear the consequences if you don't agree.
How does the quote go?.... Oh yeah... "To my bonus"
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Liam
Sincere thanks for your completely BS reply.
In keeping with your "add nothing to the discussion" style; I would say that if anybody's head is anywhere, it is yours in the sand! At the very least blinded by bitterness.
Yes. Lets keep doing what we have for the last 25+ years. Result: LOSE/LOSE
Yes. Not returning 100% of the Captains SLS concession was pathetic.
Yes. Not honoring the 25 years housing was unconscionable.
Yes. Alan Joyce is a dick.
I am not suggesting your little Timmy writes any agreement. Perhaps professionals. Wow, ... what a concept!
I will assume you are smart enough to know the definition of insanity.
Sincere thanks for your completely BS reply.
In keeping with your "add nothing to the discussion" style; I would say that if anybody's head is anywhere, it is yours in the sand! At the very least blinded by bitterness.
Yes. Lets keep doing what we have for the last 25+ years. Result: LOSE/LOSE
Yes. Not returning 100% of the Captains SLS concession was pathetic.
Yes. Not honoring the 25 years housing was unconscionable.
Yes. Alan Joyce is a dick.
I am not suggesting your little Timmy writes any agreement. Perhaps professionals. Wow, ... what a concept!
I will assume you are smart enough to know the definition of insanity.
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I agree entirely that the board was incompetent in their decision to hedge the way they did. If we give concessions I would like to see the board give similar. Lock them in to pay reductions, no bonuses, until we see serious profits again. Is that unreasonable or are they just all talk and only want the rest of the staff to suffer from their incompetance?
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Dear Mr Rod: A post flight beer or two? Good on you. Good for the soul.
Mr Wire: You would be very wrong about that.
Gentleman: I understand your craziness. Life would be very boring without it.
Mr Ipad: Excellent idea. Very reasonable.
Mr Wire: You would be very wrong about that.
Gentleman: I understand your craziness. Life would be very boring without it.
Mr Ipad: Excellent idea. Very reasonable.
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Yep Arse,
I know the definition of insanity, it's agreeing concessions with this lot on the promise of some future reward and then being shocked when the future reward doesn't happen... 25 year Housing, Instructor Pilots, Promise to settle Paris, settling the SHP payments with FAU but not the pilots, HPE talks and then on Day 1 announce double SOs.
Interesting how you saw my comment about Joyce as him just being a dick. I used him as example as to how this game is played. Employees grant concessions, management reap the rewards... I don't think that makes him a dick....
Perhaps if you read my posts a bit more closely you might appreciate them a bit more... Just saying....
I know the definition of insanity, it's agreeing concessions with this lot on the promise of some future reward and then being shocked when the future reward doesn't happen... 25 year Housing, Instructor Pilots, Promise to settle Paris, settling the SHP payments with FAU but not the pilots, HPE talks and then on Day 1 announce double SOs.
Interesting how you saw my comment about Joyce as him just being a dick. I used him as example as to how this game is played. Employees grant concessions, management reap the rewards... I don't think that makes him a dick....
Perhaps if you read my posts a bit more closely you might appreciate them a bit more... Just saying....
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Hi Liam
Quick review. Having made a perfectly reasonable suggestion, your response so far has been to whine, bitch, moan and rant. Oh, ... and throw in a few indirect personal attacks. Excellent work!
I can only assume you have no positive suggestions to make, so therefore must be happy to take the incoming pineapple, ... while you whine, bitch, moan and rant of course? You must be such an inspiration to work with! Fantastic.
In relation to Qantas and Joyce: A few years back the Qantas pilots did exactly what I am suggesting. They gave concessions, in return for increasing future profit sharing, when certain levels were triggered. Now that Qantas has recorded their second largest profit ever, the pilots have done reasonably well! Certainly better than making permanent concessions for no return.
I am fully aware that you are so blinkered and disillusioned and there is no logical or rational argument you will accept. Just saying.
PS: I apoligise for the unreasonable amount of sarcasm. Not my first choice, but it seems to be a language you understand! The irony of that statement is not lost on me!
PPS: Would you be interested in a WIN/WIN outcome?
Quick review. Having made a perfectly reasonable suggestion, your response so far has been to whine, bitch, moan and rant. Oh, ... and throw in a few indirect personal attacks. Excellent work!
I can only assume you have no positive suggestions to make, so therefore must be happy to take the incoming pineapple, ... while you whine, bitch, moan and rant of course? You must be such an inspiration to work with! Fantastic.
In relation to Qantas and Joyce: A few years back the Qantas pilots did exactly what I am suggesting. They gave concessions, in return for increasing future profit sharing, when certain levels were triggered. Now that Qantas has recorded their second largest profit ever, the pilots have done reasonably well! Certainly better than making permanent concessions for no return.
I am fully aware that you are so blinkered and disillusioned and there is no logical or rational argument you will accept. Just saying.
PS: I apoligise for the unreasonable amount of sarcasm. Not my first choice, but it seems to be a language you understand! The irony of that statement is not lost on me!
PPS: Would you be interested in a WIN/WIN outcome?
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Always amazes me how some are so easily fooled by the company propaganda, even by those who have been here a long time and have seen first hand how deceitful and immoral this management is. And yet like a beaten pathetic dog they come back for more punishment thinking there will be a win/win outcome by giving concessions to a management that has continually year on year given themselves huge bonuses and pay increases. You arse are a spineless cheap whore.