Focus Night
Joined: May 2007
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From: CLK
Let me guess, more pie in the sky, utopian dreaming and strategic ideals about changing the company managers culture/mindset?
Meanwhile the countdown to launch has begun in the tactical arena and we haven't even amassed the troops, let alone motivated them and outlined our tactical goals!
Doomed I say,what a shame.
Meanwhile the countdown to launch has begun in the tactical arena and we haven't even amassed the troops, let alone motivated them and outlined our tactical goals!
Doomed I say,what a shame.
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 85
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From: Hong Kong
If they say dire straights, direct them here:
Income Statement: 00293 - Financial Reports for Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd - MSN Money
Net Income:
2013 = $2.6b
2014 = $3.1b
2015 = $6b
2016 = -$.6b
Where did it go?
Balance Sheet (Cash & Short Term Investments):
End of the Year 2016: $21.1b
It would be best if you demonstrate the 'impact' your ask would have on these numbers, but realistically, numbers like that, they cannot claim "Dire Straights".
Income Statement: 00293 - Financial Reports for Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd - MSN Money
Net Income:
2013 = $2.6b
2014 = $3.1b
2015 = $6b
2016 = -$.6b
Where did it go?
Balance Sheet (Cash & Short Term Investments):
End of the Year 2016: $21.1b
It would be best if you demonstrate the 'impact' your ask would have on these numbers, but realistically, numbers like that, they cannot claim "Dire Straights".
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 299
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From: HKG
For the last couple of weeks you have all been well lubed by the propaganda.... So tonight I present you the ">>>>PINEAPPLE<<<<". This is the "fruit" of our efforts and guess where we want to put it?
Do you really need to go?
It aint going to be pretty!
Do you really need to go?
It aint going to be pretty!
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 29
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From: Koh Samui Thailand
Facts not Focus.
Many of us have been thru this sort of thing before both in this company and previous employers. The current tactics by the company are well known and rehearsed. They are not original, just outdated colonial bullying strategies, denounced by serious business practices the world over. So fear not.
What we need to do is act and act immediately.
1. The President and full Committee should offer their resignations immediately in preparation for a war council. Totally ineffective and ill equipped to negotiate the union should now employ professional negotiators to represent us.( Ryanair pilots took this action today ). Having not made a statement to date is inexcusable. And not a single disciplinary action has been taken against members ignoring the training ban.This shows weakness and poor leadership. Originally a video club and now a cheap source of loss of licence cover the HKAOA is not fit for purpose.
2. Our local pilot colleagues will not support any industrial action. So count them out.
3. The Second officers are wet behind the ears and just glad not to be bush flying in Papua. Unless someone creates an App to tell them how to protect their careers they have little idea what to do. Count them out.
4. Based pilots and KA pilots will be targeted next year if the current plans succeed. Divide and conquer. Count them out.
This leaves the HKG based pilots with 10 years or more invested in CX to do the work.
It goes without saying that the threat of any new terms will cause significant stress and warrant significant time off for every pilot affected.
A statement in the local press today, giving advance notice to the traveling public that there are very likely to be major service disruptions over the busy Christmas holidays is a given.
Captains should think long and hard before giving sectors away. Recency would then have to be rostered in the sims.
The list of positive action is endless, legal and needed NOW. The leadership so lacking from the AOA is out there, we just need to
turn the key.
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Polar Route
Joined: May 2009
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From: VHHH Ocean 2D
I'm not being funny but if I ran a company that had p1ssed away a few billion or worse, why on earth would I show the books (uncooked or otherwise) to an financial analyst whose purpose is to see whether I'm telling porkies??
I wasn't at the Focus Night but was this elephant in the room question asked?
I wasn't at the Focus Night but was this elephant in the room question asked?
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Polar Route
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 157
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From: uk
Focus nights , it brings back nightmares of 1999 and the garbage that the company fed us back in those days , unfortunately the troops were not strong enough to stand up and be counted and as a result here we are again
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: Hong Kong
Joined: Aug 2006
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From: The Cesspit
I'm not being funny but if I ran a company that had p1ssed away a few billion or worse, why on earth would I show the books (uncooked or otherwise) to an financial analyst whose purpose is to see whether I'm telling porkies??
I wasn't at the Focus Night but was this elephant in the room question asked?
I wasn't at the Focus Night but was this elephant in the room question asked?
Unfortunately I think the truth is more dire than some would like to believe. Hoping these muppets have the competence to pull off a major conspiracy and fraud is simply wishful thinking. The fact is they are muppets who had no more idea of where the price of fuel was heading than you or I. They gambled big simply because they can with no chance of personal loss but a 50 percent chance of personal gain in massive, unprecedented bonuses. There's nothing in the books worth hiding other than a 23 billion dollar embarrassment that the whole world knows and laughs about.
They aren't master criminals. They are incompetent.
But hey, if you can sleep easier thinking these people are brilliant then don't let me stop you.
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Polar Route
Fair points, but if they destroy the package for pilots, what is worth saving here? If they honestly think pilot concessions are all that is standing between success and failure at CX, then the place is going down anyways. No savings we can give them will spare the Company from Darwin's theory. They'll have to adapt without me on this one.
Joined: Dec 2012
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From: Here
For the last couple of weeks you have all been well lubed by the propaganda.... So tonight I present you the ">>>>PINEAPPLE<<<<". This is the "fruit" of our efforts and guess where we want to put it?
Do you really need to go?
It aint going to be pretty!
Do you really need to go?
It aint going to be pretty!