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Old 20th May 2017, 20:17
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
How generous! Please let everyone know how cut in front of our SOs and simultaneously help solve CX's problems with regard to the training ban. I'm sure everyone is going to welcome you with open arms to CX. Have a nice career in HK!
Dont flame him. This pilot group allowed this to happen. Rolled over like a _______

Just like B scale
Just like the 49ers
Just like DECs
Just like HKPA
Just like _______

"I doesn't affect me, why should I care"
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Old 20th May 2017, 21:02
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Originally Posted by Average Fool View Post
Dont flame him. This pilot group allowed this to happen. Rolled over like a _______

Just like B scale
Just like the 49ers
Just like DECs
Just like HKPA
Just like _______

"I doesn't affect me, why should I care"
Fair enough, but don't expect me to role out the red carpet. These guys get sectors sparingly, the worst rest, and the privilege of juniority forever.

Types? A330 regional grind or 747F hodgepodge of two-man middle of the night crap with massive disruption. Bases? Forget about it. Never going to happen for #3200+ on HKPA. Package? Attractive on paper, but if you're not factoring in the cost of living in HK, you are IMC in the cockpit. It's simply not enough unless you are single, married with a working wife sans kids, or you can live with your parents at their place in HK.

But by all means, join! Being a part of the solution to CX's industrial problems will feel great, especially after you have been sufficiently screwed over and realize how much CX actually despises you for being a pilot.
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Old 20th May 2017, 21:45
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Good luck.

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Old 20th May 2017, 23:47
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..."we all can get jaded".... Oh, I assure you, you will.
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Old 21st May 2017, 03:22
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. . . . . . .

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Old 21st May 2017, 19:17
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Bottom line is I'm trying to get an understanding of how my current employer really compares. .
And you haven't got that yet from any of the threads written on this forum in the last 5 years?

Or just couldnt be arsed to read back? Either way if join, your D.O.J will be known to everyone. Don't expect to gain many friends when you join during a training ban and with relations with the company at an all time low. Previous guys who joined during the recruiting ban still living under the stigma.
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Old 21st May 2017, 19:27
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betpump,

Why do we even bother? It's like we are speaking different languages. These guys will turn the job into whatever they want it to be in their minds, only to be the next round of bitter and disenfranchised HKAOA pilots. The cost of HK living cannot be fully appreciated until it has been experienced. Perception is reality, and to many HK and CX still represent a decades old legacy of pilot glamour and affluence. The allure is wearing off fast for those with open eyes, but for those who are wanting to believe, it just doesn't matter. Maybe Islam and 70 virgins will be attractive for them in the future as well.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 17:03
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Little children with no substance.

Pathetic.
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Old 26th May 2017, 13:52
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Confirm a current SO has higher seniority than a DEFO?
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Old 26th May 2017, 14:33
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Originally Posted by Springbok614 View Post
Confirm a current SO has higher seniority than a DEFO?
Yes. All based on DOJ. Seniority is what matters for command
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Old 26th May 2017, 19:54
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Originally Posted by Springbok614 View Post
Confirm a current SO has higher seniority than a DEFO?
Yes and so he/she should!!!

For anyone thinking about joining - you will have about 1700 (!!!) pilots ahead of you if you join today. Do the numbers...(not just time to upgrade but also your household budget).
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Old 26th May 2017, 21:09
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Originally Posted by AQIS Boigu View Post
Yes and so he/she should!!!

For anyone thinking about joining - you will have about 1700 (!!!) pilots ahead of you if you join today. Do the numbers...(not just time to upgrade but also your household budget).
It is an absolute no brainer to not go there as an experienced airline pilot...

The idea years ago to join the TT programme as a pilot with actual experience and be on the level with Ab-initio- and Advanced Cadets did not sit well either.

DOJ is the measure though and I feel for the SOs waiting in line in turn while DEFO are hired.
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Old 27th May 2017, 03:48
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S/Os are being bypassed for upgrades as well as F/Os. Seniority means absolutely nothing at this place. Tons of people in the Cat D/B status and with loads of experience. Go have a look at the list and see what dates of hire some F/Os have. It will shock you. The company uses upgrades/promotions as a tool against its crews. The assesment is biased and totally ridiculous. It's also lucky whom you get but we have standards right-RUBBISH.

I hate to say this, we do have some really switched on people, but we also have a lot of "F" tards in the left, well all, seats. Training here is embarrasing at best and God help you if you get a writer or a sim instructor who thinks he's a checker! Concorde boy, now on 777, is a real doozy and more so his boss who had to explain himself in Oz for doing bizzare things.

Look, this Fragrant forum is full of what this place is now. It's FUBAR-period. It's not even fun anymore. We used to say "get away from Hong Kong" but now the stench is everywhere. Like Emirates, people are leaving just to get away from the dysfunction and inbreeding.

Hong Kong is also being overrun by cockroaches and it will get on your nerves. It's also, expensive, polluted and THE EFFING NOSIEST PLACE ON THE PLANET!

Time to leave.

FU CAD
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Old 27th May 2017, 08:53
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Have any direct entry FOs actually joined CX yet?
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Old 27th May 2017, 11:41
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There is any easy way to keep an eye on it. Last time round CX hired DEFOs (10-11 years ago) about 20% got the sack during the training - this should improve since the Rottweiler didn't get extended.

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Old 27th May 2017, 14:15
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Just take a look at the last seniority list: there are at least a dozen FOs in the 'SO territory'. There are even a couple of FOs on the last page of the seniority list. Some are sufficiently green to not hide their names from the list!
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Old 27th May 2017, 20:05
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Some are sufficiently green to not hide their names from the list!
Why do they need to hide?
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Old 27th May 2017, 20:38
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Originally Posted by Sqwak7700 View Post
Why do they need to hide?
If I had joined the company as a DEFO during a time when it was globally known that relations with the company is at an all time low, and that the concept of DEFO is to get around CC/TB I would certainly want to hide.
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Old 27th May 2017, 21:53
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I want to know because I doubt the mental competence of anyone who would join this outfit at the current time and under the conditions on offer.
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Old 27th May 2017, 22:25
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Originally Posted by CCA View Post
Have any direct entry FOs actually joined CX yet?
There have been 5 to date including one re-hire
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