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Old 9th Nov 2015, 10:00
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More Contract Compliance

Looks like another pilot group will be in Contract Compliance by Christmas.

What a mess. Malice or stupidity by management ? Nobody seems quite sure and the blame game has been played once too often.
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Old 9th Nov 2015, 11:21
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Any other decent-sized company (BHP, AA, BA, etc) just knows when to say enough is enough.


These clowns don't. Welcome to the end, boys.
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Old 9th Nov 2015, 11:48
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That is brilliant news because they have been there done that and taken away the medal
CC is no big deal it actually makes my life more fulfilling under the current INBRED management
Perhaps second time round they will do an even better job and show the CXAOA lot how it's done
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Old 9th Nov 2015, 12:25
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Welcome (back) to the fray KA!!! Your efforts will certainly be welcome. Perhaps an alignment of specific goals and timing between DPA and HKAOA would be wise. I don't think that CX/KA is going to get the downturn it was hoping for this Christmas and New Year. Therefore, the group is looking very vulnerable. My apologies, in advance, to the ground staff and passengers who will suffer the consequences of the management's short-sighted penny pinching and lack of true leadership. Maybe they will learn this time around we can all have better careers in the future. Time to join the 21st century Cathay Pacific...
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Old 9th Nov 2015, 12:53
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What would be the reason for them to be going for CC again?
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Old 9th Nov 2015, 13:14
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1. Not being able to wear pink epaulets in October.
2. Not getting a new livery.
3. Not getting illy coffee
4. Not getting higher priority on cx aircraft than cx staff for id travel like on KA.
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Old 9th Nov 2015, 16:20
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1. Not being able to wear pink epaulets in October.
2. Not getting a new livery.
3. Not getting illy coffee
4. Not getting higher priority on cx aircraft than cx staff for id travel like on KA.

I hadn't intended to post on here again but I'll have to bite.

1. Don't care.
2. Don't care.
3. Don't care (the water tanks are contaminated anyway).
4. Don't care, if it's busy use travel fund to buy a ticket: no stress, no problem.

Capiche?
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Old 9th Nov 2015, 23:04
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1/ don't care
2/ don't care
3/ don't care

4/ to quote that Aussie movie The Castle "tell him he's dreamin"

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Old 10th Nov 2015, 01:50
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What's a travel fund????
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Old 10th Nov 2015, 04:09
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ACMS. So you've stood back while "every" other KA employee has waltzed into CX town with a CX seniority number commensurate with their start date in KA but your brothers in arms, the KA pilot group, are 'dreamin'? Nice.
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Old 10th Nov 2015, 04:42
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Reasons to be cheerful

The reason contract compliance is on the cards stems mainly from the way CX management view and treat us. On Yammer you will see it being referred to as "lied to".

Couple this with awful rostering which is then shredded by Crew Control and you have a workforce that are rapidly running out of enthusiasm.
We too have the continual rejoinder "it's legal" and no apparent attempt to fix the problem. (guess who does our rostering?)

In general over this side of the airfield crews have been doing their level best to keep the wheels on the cart during massive delays and disruption (and for the 320 crews CASL).
This earns us a pat on the head from the CEO but not much else.

As to the exchanges between CX and KA pilots please lets not get dragged into mud slinging. We are all in the same boat (group) and it appears to be sinking.

It is now reaching the stage where folks want to take action as they feel they it's the only way anyone will listen.
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Old 10th Nov 2015, 04:57
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Rod, no it isn't the same as a no sub FOC. It's cash given to those who have it in their contract here in KA which we can use to buy full fare tickets with. Nothing to do with no sub or FOCs.
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Old 10th Nov 2015, 06:12
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Reasons to be cheerful part 2

The reasons that contract compliance is being considered are simple:

The whole thing appears to be triggered by the perception that we have not been told the truth with regards to staff travel.

That has turned into a house of cards:
Our rosters are awful and roster stability non existent.
For a long while we have been pro active in the face of massive delays, an unfriendly operating environment and an ageing fleet. (most of our shiny new aircraft have gone to CX to be replaced by some of the earliest msn aircraft in the world).

There seems to be little or no willingness to address the rostering issue and the usual platitude "it's legal" is trotted out on a regular basis.

All in all it feels as if we are in the same boat as our colleagues at CX.
We are all in this together and its sinking.
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Old 10th Nov 2015, 07:14
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Nope Weary, this promise of Pri25 based on your DOJ was offered during private talks without informing any CX employee, it should not have be offered in the first place and maybe that's why CX haven't given it to you yet.

In fact it is currently in our manuals showing KA assigned Pri26 whilst we have Pri25 and thus on-loaded ahead of any KA employee using DOJ for all, as it should be on our Airline.

Why haven't we complained? We were not told the details at all of what you wanted or the details of staff already transferred across and getting it.

Only the KA staff that were transferred across to CX get Pri25. Anyone still wearing a KA ID card and working for KA gets Pri26 as per the Boarding Priority table published.

These staff that came across do now work for CX and I guess must get continuity of service. You still work for KA, sorry but that's the way it is now.

Until they join up the two Airlines and make you wear a CX ID card, CX uniform and fly CX painted Aircraft on CX services you ain't a CX employee. Then the fun really will begin.... a whole new can of worms....

We'll still give you J1 if you ask for it and will go out of our way to help where possible, as we all should.

So yes you can have original DOJ but on Pri26.

Done and dusted.

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Old 10th Nov 2015, 08:08
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These staff that came across do now work for CX and I guess must get continuity of service.
Before you shoot from the hip, what about the employees of VETA?

I dont believe them to be CX employees, more employees of a CX business. Not too different to KA really.........
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Old 10th Nov 2015, 08:29
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Now you're grasping at straws mate.

They were originally selected for interviews in HK, selected and then employed BY CX DIRECTLY off the street. Not only that they work under an agreed PBA as Cx employees.

They wear CX uniforms, have CX ID cards, fly CX painted Aircraft under the CX AOC and report to their respective CX Chief Pilot etc.

Until you do that then.........


Before we bought you guys what were your chances of survival? Please enlighten me as to you balance sheet situation before WE bought YOU.....I'd love to know how you were traveling..

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Old 10th Nov 2015, 08:45
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So tell me, how would you feel if KA bought HX ( founded in 2006 ) and gave all the HX employees staff travel on the same priority as KA staff AND based on their original HX DOJ?

I don't think you'd be too chirpy either knowing quite a few KA staff suddenly came behind HX staff getting on their own KA flight.....

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally supporting your right to get full staff travel benefits and jump seats on CX flights.

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Old 10th Nov 2015, 09:09
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I'd be happy. Most wouldn't be affected or are much better off with access to HX's expanding network.
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Old 10th Nov 2015, 09:13
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I'm not effected by KA guys getting staff travel ahead of me either as I hardly ever use staff travel.

But that's not the point and you know it..
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Old 10th Nov 2015, 09:52
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The principle goes either way. Few would be affected when you look at the demographics and dates of growth.

There is a lot of grey in the whole scenario and I expect the swagger over your way to be manipulated toward a policy of divide and conquer between the two associations.
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