Hong Kong Express
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From: turkey
HKE SUCKS
They are failing them so much these days. Its the WORST training i have ever experienced. No training, just checking. They take a sheet of paper, and start writing down all your mistakes so at the end it becomes a total !!!!e sandwich. The most negative training environment i have ever had the "pleasure" to be in. Im done with this mickey mouse excuse for an airline.
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From: LANTAU island
They are failing them so much these days. Its the WORST training i have ever experienced. No training, just checking. They take a sheet of paper, and start writing down all your mistakes so at the end it becomes a total !!!!e sandwich. The most negative training environment i have ever had the "pleasure" to be in. Im done with this mickey mouse excuse for an airline.
How long is the queue to get into the WORST training If I have around 4500++ on the bus. By the way, thanks for the info Turkpilot
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From: turkey
They failed a guy on the line check who has 9000 on the bus. He passed 2nd time around. There are some real bad instructors there. The most negative training environment i ever experienced. They have had close to 20 people put in notice to resign within the last month!
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From: LANTAU island
Surely not!
Sounds like a potential example of an atrociously unchecked Flight Operations management team; “lead” by some of the industries most laughable and notorious incompetents you will encounter ever, anywhere in your career?
Could only be a mythical scenario; where you have, say, a senior flight ops manager, encumbered not only with a personality disorder (narcissistic tendencies, delusions of competence, personal insecurity etc), who despite holding an “illustrious” TRE certificate, can’t even open an aircraft door (whilst dubiously “assessing” someone on behalf of the regulator...) without deploying a slide narrowly missing ground staff?
This would only be one but example of this mythical individuals long list of dangerously incompetent antics whilst holding a gifted seat of authority; like, using a busy ATC ground frequency to issue instructions to company aircraft, stating his/her managerial title over the airwaves, applying and insisting on pilots using his/hers personal “techniques” that contradict the manufacturer - some of them downright dangerous, a list of reportable incidents as PIC..
You can you imagine the culture if he/she weren’t alone in their scarily delusional self proclaimed positions of respected authority?
If there were a place where the acumen at the top is represented by such an appalling lack of professionalism, one could presume the crew training and mis-guided understanding of “standards” may be derived from their own insecurities; given their worldwide reputations...?
I doubt such a place exists, it’s the modern age.
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From: turkey
Surely not!
Sounds like a potential example of an atrociously unchecked Flight Operations management team; “lead” by some of the industries most laughable and notorious incompetents you will encounter ever, anywhere in your career?
Could only be a mythical scenario; where you have, say, a senior flight ops manager, encumbered not only with a personality disorder (narcissistic tendencies, delusions of competence, personal insecurity etc), who despite holding an “illustrious” TRE certificate, can’t even open an aircraft door (whilst dubiously “assessing” someone on behalf of the regulator...) without deploying a slide narrowly missing ground staff?
This would only be one but example of this mythical individuals long list of dangerously incompetent antics whilst holding a gifted seat of authority; like, using a busy ATC ground frequency to issue instructions to company aircraft, stating his/her managerial title over the airwaves, applying and insisting on pilots using his/hers personal “techniques” that contradict the manufacturer - some of them downright dangerous, a list of reportable incidents as PIC..
You can you imagine the culture if he/she weren’t alone in their scarily delusional self proclaimed positions of respected authority?
If there were a place where the acumen at the top is represented by such an appalling lack of professionalism, one could presume the crew training and mis-guided understanding of “standards” may be derived from their own insecurities; given their worldwide reputations...?
I doubt such a place exists, it’s the modern age.
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From: Australia
It looks like the environment in Hong Kong Express is not the best at this moment.
Maybe to avoid leading to a new mass cancelation of flights (again), they are refusing to provide their own pilots with the flight hours certificates required before you resign / join a new company. ( I am even not sure if this kind of policy is allowed ).
Anyway, be careful if you join Hong Kong Express, you might not be able to leave.
In regards to the upgrades: as far as I know, the initial promise was to upgrade around 24 FO's this year, and it looks like this number ATM is about 2 or 3 only, and all of them got extension of training when they check with their lunatic GMF.
I also heard that the upgrade policy is terrible, there is no training, only checking. And it looks like there is some kind of dispute with Airbus' manuals in their operational philosophy. Failing rate is high, about 80%. Some FO's are there for almost 10 years and still haven't had a chance for their upgrade. How is that possible? I don't know.
The rotation rate is very high, I knew a guy who stayed in HKE for less than a year, and another one that resigned during the training, they couldn't keep up with all the BS in there.
Good luck
Maybe to avoid leading to a new mass cancelation of flights (again), they are refusing to provide their own pilots with the flight hours certificates required before you resign / join a new company. ( I am even not sure if this kind of policy is allowed ).
Anyway, be careful if you join Hong Kong Express, you might not be able to leave.
In regards to the upgrades: as far as I know, the initial promise was to upgrade around 24 FO's this year, and it looks like this number ATM is about 2 or 3 only, and all of them got extension of training when they check with their lunatic GMF.
I also heard that the upgrade policy is terrible, there is no training, only checking. And it looks like there is some kind of dispute with Airbus' manuals in their operational philosophy. Failing rate is high, about 80%. Some FO's are there for almost 10 years and still haven't had a chance for their upgrade. How is that possible? I don't know.
The rotation rate is very high, I knew a guy who stayed in HKE for less than a year, and another one that resigned during the training, they couldn't keep up with all the BS in there.
Good luck
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From: hong kong
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From: Argentina
Hi! First time posting in pprune... very interesting information over here... did anybody applied for NTR lately here? How long they usually take to answer after you sent all the information? Thanks in advance!
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From: LANTAU island
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From: Japan
The Fake Flight Safety Manager
From a reliable source from the company itself. To shed the recent light of whats happening in this company, so people who are applying may have a second thought if this is the company you really want to work for.
About 3 years ago, a pilot from vietjet, Anthony Ortolan applied for HKE for the post of flight safety technical manager. Many pilots on the line doubt he was even qualified to fly airbus. A few weeks ago, he was being investigated for forging fake airbus hours on the left hand seat and as well as Gulfstream. Anthony quitted the job and left hong kong overnight. The company has not inform the Civil aviation department of hong kong, hoping it will wither away. Rest assure it will appear in the hong kong news.
About 3 years ago, a pilot from vietjet, Anthony Ortolan applied for HKE for the post of flight safety technical manager. Many pilots on the line doubt he was even qualified to fly airbus. A few weeks ago, he was being investigated for forging fake airbus hours on the left hand seat and as well as Gulfstream. Anthony quitted the job and left hong kong overnight. The company has not inform the Civil aviation department of hong kong, hoping it will wither away. Rest assure it will appear in the hong kong news.
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From: blue earth
[QUOTE]e[/Originally Posted by hijack 
From a reliable source from the company itself. To shed the recent light of whats happening in this company, so people who are applying may have a second thought if this is the company you really want to work for.
About 3 years ago, a pilot from vietjet, Anthony Ortolan applied for HKE for the post of flight safety technical manager. Many pilots on the line doubt he was even qualified to fly airbus. A few weeks ago, he was being investigated for forging fake airbus hours on the left hand seat and as well as Gulfstream. Anthony quitted the job and left hong kong overnight. The company has not inform the Civil aviation department of hong kong, hoping it will wither away. Rest assure it will appear in the hong kong news.QUOTE]
He has reappeared back in Vietnam this time as DFO for Bamboo Airlines..
From a reliable source from the company itself. To shed the recent light of whats happening in this company, so people who are applying may have a second thought if this is the company you really want to work for.
About 3 years ago, a pilot from vietjet, Anthony Ortolan applied for HKE for the post of flight safety technical manager. Many pilots on the line doubt he was even qualified to fly airbus. A few weeks ago, he was being investigated for forging fake airbus hours on the left hand seat and as well as Gulfstream. Anthony quitted the job and left hong kong overnight. The company has not inform the Civil aviation department of hong kong, hoping it will wither away. Rest assure it will appear in the hong kong news.QUOTE]
View Anthony Ortolan's profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. Anthony has 4 jobs listed on their profile. ... Current. HK Express. Previous. Small Planet Airlines,; VietJetAir,; NetJets. Education
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