Hong Kong Express
Joined: Jan 2010
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From: turkey
A word from us, the Management:
Turkpilot, let us give you a few words to calm you down.
We have recognised Hong Kong as being the most expensive city in the world, so we found a solution.
We have started building a pilots' compound very close to the airport, where pilots will be able to live for a small deduction on their salaries. They will share their room with another pilot of their choice. There will be wifi on every floor, also bathrooms and kitchen to be used freely.
This will improve the feeling of 'brotherhood' and will improve CRM.
As we know you have some strings from your past lives (wife, kids, etc.), we will allow visits to the compound once per year during period of our choice.
Soon you will realise this is the way aviation should be, when you start getting that fuzzy feeling of the days you were prepared to 'fly for food'.
If you are not a true aviator, we do not need you to join.
Thank you for your time
Turkpilot, let us give you a few words to calm you down.
We have recognised Hong Kong as being the most expensive city in the world, so we found a solution.
We have started building a pilots' compound very close to the airport, where pilots will be able to live for a small deduction on their salaries. They will share their room with another pilot of their choice. There will be wifi on every floor, also bathrooms and kitchen to be used freely.
This will improve the feeling of 'brotherhood' and will improve CRM.
As we know you have some strings from your past lives (wife, kids, etc.), we will allow visits to the compound once per year during period of our choice.
Soon you will realise this is the way aviation should be, when you start getting that fuzzy feeling of the days you were prepared to 'fly for food'.
If you are not a true aviator, we do not need you to join.
Thank you for your time
Joined: Aug 2016
Posts: 95
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From: Vietnam
Keepingitreelhk said it perfectly:
"Anyone coming here will realise after a few months something is wrong."
So so true, people commit there lives to this place moving family's half way round the world, they come full of optimism. And after a few months that optimism has been drained out of them and they realise they have made a mistake but it's to late.
The management here both from operations and T&I (HR) are at war with each other. And each department in its own right is mismanaged with individuals just building empires for themselves, unwilling to change the airline for its employees benefit.
Small things could be done at HKE that would not cost money but would help the life of the individual but they literally do not care. The only hope for HKE employees is that pilots leave, pilots cannot be recruited, aircraft get delivered then parked because there are not enough pilots to fly them. Then the management might drop there arrogant stance and pay attention.
Until then.......
"Anyone coming here will realise after a few months something is wrong."
So so true, people commit there lives to this place moving family's half way round the world, they come full of optimism. And after a few months that optimism has been drained out of them and they realise they have made a mistake but it's to late.
The management here both from operations and T&I (HR) are at war with each other. And each department in its own right is mismanaged with individuals just building empires for themselves, unwilling to change the airline for its employees benefit.
Small things could be done at HKE that would not cost money but would help the life of the individual but they literally do not care. The only hope for HKE employees is that pilots leave, pilots cannot be recruited, aircraft get delivered then parked because there are not enough pilots to fly them. Then the management might drop there arrogant stance and pay attention.
Until then.......
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 4,777
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From: Blighty
Was flying with a guy today who's leaving HK. Just can't make it work now he has a baby. He's now feeling very claustrophobic in his 500sqft apartment, and he can't save for the future.
See The most expensive cities to live in 2017 - CNN.com
See The most expensive cities to live in 2017 - CNN.com
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,542
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From: London
The sad thing about the above is that he probably joined CX with the intent on making it a career and dedicating his working life to the cause. Instead, due to greedy, short term focused and incompetent management, he is now leaving. It sickens me to realise that the money THROWN AWAY on fuel hedging would have provided a full housing allowance for every C scale pilot. 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 380
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From: Egoli
As a matter of interest. I was under the impression that the airlines in HK pay a housing allowance. Not really relevant to this page, but does CX not pay any ??? And if they don't , surely you know that before you start . I see there is apartments in South Lantau around 100sq meters fro around 30K.
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 225
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From: Australia
Was flying with a guy today who's leaving HK. Just can't make it work now he has a baby. He's now feeling very claustrophobic in his 500sqft apartment, and he can't save for the future.
See The most expensive cities to live in 2017 - CNN.com
See The most expensive cities to live in 2017 - CNN.com
Comparing the HKE captain package with that of a CX SO is not a fair comparison.
Last edited by Joker89; 24th January 2017 at 22:49.
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 380
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From: Egoli
To the guys who say they never got any time off please help me out with my calculations.
HKE does not really have any short legs in the 30 min to 1 hour region like for example Air Asia has. So if you fly 6 - 7 block hours a day, one would do 50 -70 hours in 10 days !!! Can you guys explain whats wrong with that !!! That still gives you many days at home, either on reserve I guess or off.
HKE does not really have any short legs in the 30 min to 1 hour region like for example Air Asia has. So if you fly 6 - 7 block hours a day, one would do 50 -70 hours in 10 days !!! Can you guys explain whats wrong with that !!! That still gives you many days at home, either on reserve I guess or off.
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3
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From: Hong Kong
Turkpilot, we see you have the correct mindset.
We like pilots who are visionaries, who can see more than meets the eye.
You show that even though you are not in Hong Kong nor you're working for HKE, you know the situation better than these sorry whiny losers.
You are exactly what we are looking for.
Contact me today on my mobile, I'm sure it won't be a problem for you to find it.
We like pilots who are visionaries, who can see more than meets the eye.
You show that even though you are not in Hong Kong nor you're working for HKE, you know the situation better than these sorry whiny losers.
You are exactly what we are looking for.
Contact me today on my mobile, I'm sure it won't be a problem for you to find it.
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 99
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From: turkey
Turkpilot, we see you have the correct mindset.
We like pilots who are visionaries, who can see more than meets the eye.
You show that even though you are not in Hong Kong nor you're working for HKE, you know the situation better than these sorry whiny losers.
You are exactly what we are looking for.
Contact me today on my mobile, I'm sure it won't be a problem for you to find it.
We like pilots who are visionaries, who can see more than meets the eye.
You show that even though you are not in Hong Kong nor you're working for HKE, you know the situation better than these sorry whiny losers.
You are exactly what we are looking for.
Contact me today on my mobile, I'm sure it won't be a problem for you to find it.
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
From: canada
The most telling thing is that things are so bad at HKE that Hainan has had to impose a restriction of 6 months resigned from HKE before you can apply to HKA because so many crew have requested transfer.
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 380
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From: Egoli
I seem to repeat myself. But once again, I would like to know form an HKE Captain and not from an FO as I really understand there financial shortcomings, on how they feel about the situation at HKE. Are there any Captains on here ? The ones I have spoken to personally seem to be enjoying live in HK !!!!