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Wake up and smell the coffee guys. The company has won this round. You should put your ego and well founded rage on hold for a while. Your opportunity has passed thanks to OBL. Sit back and relax, support the 49ers (because they are your only link to credibility), embrace the new guys and rebuild your support base. If the company is as bad as you portray, then the new guys will learn that over time, and in time support the AoA. When the time is right, you can mount another offensive. You will be older and wiser from battle, and with much wider support than you can hope to muster at present. As a previous poster said, if you take a step back from it all you can see the company has totally destroyed you as a union in all but name. The fight is now between yourselves, no longer with the company. Learn from yours and others mistakes and come back stronger.
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well said
Well said Truth, but I cannot imagine any body giving you any greif, they wont have the bottle, cos if you grass them up, then their asses will be out of the door before you could say"gear up"
ENJOY!!!
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To the union.
Your position is imoral. It is hypocritical and discriminates against those in the weakest and most vulnerable position. You are not right.
If I am lucky enough to be offered a job with Cathay I'll take it and be grateful. Unemployment bites!
Don't bother adding more self centered and materialistic dribble, I'll be washing the dishes.
Your position is imoral. It is hypocritical and discriminates against those in the weakest and most vulnerable position. You are not right.
If I am lucky enough to be offered a job with Cathay I'll take it and be grateful. Unemployment bites!
Don't bother adding more self centered and materialistic dribble, I'll be washing the dishes.
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Oh, that's rich!
Someone out there actually believes it when management "reassures" them of something ...? TSI, it won't take you long to figure out just what those "reassurances" are worth. Hope you like keeping your own company because even the cabin crew have got a hold of the scab list now.
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One year, two years, five years from now, management won't care that you defied the ban. Someone who will remember will be your sim instructor or the captain giving you a line check. Do you know how easy it is to fail a checkride at CX? You will be gone, just like the last scab who lasted 5 plus years but is now reduced to whore for CI.
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Turtlenest,
You pretty much epitomize the whole ban. It's all about bullying, isn't it? Failing someone who legitimately passed a check ride has to be among the most cowardly acts, or in your case, threats. Is this what the industrial strategy of the AOA has been reduced to? What an embarassment to the profession.
Oh, and what of the lip-service statements that new hires would not be threatened? Guess we're a long way past that now. So be it.
You may consider what you desperately wish to portray as "scabbing" a despicable act, but the people who accept jobs have more b@lls than you. At least they know about the wall of flack they might be walking into and accept it. The likes of you prefer to hide behind a ban and threats to those who "defy" it. How sad.
Thanks to your ilk, you've managed to turn my mind from fully AOA supportive (especially post-49er), to anxiously uncertain, to completely resolved.
Politely...F.U. When the call comes I'm in. Reasoned arguments I will listen to, threats just pi$$ me off.
You pretty much epitomize the whole ban. It's all about bullying, isn't it? Failing someone who legitimately passed a check ride has to be among the most cowardly acts, or in your case, threats. Is this what the industrial strategy of the AOA has been reduced to? What an embarassment to the profession.
Oh, and what of the lip-service statements that new hires would not be threatened? Guess we're a long way past that now. So be it.
You may consider what you desperately wish to portray as "scabbing" a despicable act, but the people who accept jobs have more b@lls than you. At least they know about the wall of flack they might be walking into and accept it. The likes of you prefer to hide behind a ban and threats to those who "defy" it. How sad.
Thanks to your ilk, you've managed to turn my mind from fully AOA supportive (especially post-49er), to anxiously uncertain, to completely resolved.
Politely...F.U. When the call comes I'm in. Reasoned arguments I will listen to, threats just pi$$ me off.
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Peterzee,
I was sitting by a campfire with my 10-year-old daughter the other day. I told her many time that if she kept on playing with fire, she would get burnt. Sure enough, it was the first and hopefully the last time that she got burnt. She can be excused for making a mistake that we all made at some point, but you have obviously made a very educated decision. Be aware that we have a lot of very angry people here that will dedicate the rest of their career to making YOUR life and YOUR career as miserable as possible. That is NOT a threat, that is a FACT. This will remain with you well after this dispute is over. Being a scab is for LIFE.
Welcome to CX and enjoy…
I was sitting by a campfire with my 10-year-old daughter the other day. I told her many time that if she kept on playing with fire, she would get burnt. Sure enough, it was the first and hopefully the last time that she got burnt. She can be excused for making a mistake that we all made at some point, but you have obviously made a very educated decision. Be aware that we have a lot of very angry people here that will dedicate the rest of their career to making YOUR life and YOUR career as miserable as possible. That is NOT a threat, that is a FACT. This will remain with you well after this dispute is over. Being a scab is for LIFE.
Welcome to CX and enjoy…
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Hmmm, even MORE reason for the company to sack the lot....and start over with guys/gals that actually want to work....instead of whingers..
Cry babies....nearly all. Bo Hooooooo!!
Cry babies....nearly all. Bo Hooooooo!!
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Hoffa,
You just can't get enough of the term scab, can you? Makes you feel morally righteous I suppose. Whatever drug works for you, sport.
I had to laugh at loud at your earnest claim that there are those who would "dedicate their life to making mine miserable". Gee, what a worthy cause, is there a special pledge and secret handshake to go along with it? It takes a lot of effort to hold onto a grudge that tightly, I pity anyone who wastes their life in such a fashion. Cling to the past, maybe it WILL return!
I first applied to CX in 1995, I've stayed "out of the fray" for seven years. If you can't make peace in that time it's not going to happen. So I'm grabbing my gun, (cover me), I'm coming in! Funny though, I never thought it would be fellow pilots I'd have to defend myself against. Great strategy!
"DIVIDE AND CONQUER!"
"Uh, I think they meant the enemy..."
You just can't get enough of the term scab, can you? Makes you feel morally righteous I suppose. Whatever drug works for you, sport.
I had to laugh at loud at your earnest claim that there are those who would "dedicate their life to making mine miserable". Gee, what a worthy cause, is there a special pledge and secret handshake to go along with it? It takes a lot of effort to hold onto a grudge that tightly, I pity anyone who wastes their life in such a fashion. Cling to the past, maybe it WILL return!
I first applied to CX in 1995, I've stayed "out of the fray" for seven years. If you can't make peace in that time it's not going to happen. So I'm grabbing my gun, (cover me), I'm coming in! Funny though, I never thought it would be fellow pilots I'd have to defend myself against. Great strategy!
"DIVIDE AND CONQUER!"
"Uh, I think they meant the enemy..."
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i do agree with PeterZ .. Hi i'm back .. how r u BTW ? I feel that some of the comments or reasons behind all these scab and ban thing is just never ending and it also seems that the management is winning this time and it also might be a threat to the new joiners or those who are given an opportunity of a lifetime .. well , can you guys at the union guarantee someone who turns down the offer and get another guaranteed one when all this problem comes to a soulution ? i don't think so mate ! where i hope so too !
union vs. management
union = supprorts the pilots
management = runs the show
How long can you prolong the ban ? and what else are you gonna do ? if i'm in STRIKE !!! i would say goodbye to the 49'ers guys i do not mean to offend anyone here but it's just my opinion and i think the best cx can do at the end of the day is to compensate something and that's it even the union is going to win ! just imagine that cx taking all the 49'ers back .. no way they're gonna do it dude !! common cow sense and use your head sometimes and stop using some stoooopid reasons by using the 49'ers and scab the new joiners as examples ... it's for your own good and mine too ... !! anything new ??? or just a better "improved" contract term for those who are still there and later on please do not forget about the 49'ers guys .. they get nothing only some compensation dude !
I may have offended someguys here and hopefully not
sorry to those if i did but i guess it's just th truth and thanks to those who agree !!
union vs. management
union = supprorts the pilots
management = runs the show
How long can you prolong the ban ? and what else are you gonna do ? if i'm in STRIKE !!! i would say goodbye to the 49'ers guys i do not mean to offend anyone here but it's just my opinion and i think the best cx can do at the end of the day is to compensate something and that's it even the union is going to win ! just imagine that cx taking all the 49'ers back .. no way they're gonna do it dude !! common cow sense and use your head sometimes and stop using some stoooopid reasons by using the 49'ers and scab the new joiners as examples ... it's for your own good and mine too ... !! anything new ??? or just a better "improved" contract term for those who are still there and later on please do not forget about the 49'ers guys .. they get nothing only some compensation dude !
I may have offended someguys here and hopefully not
sorry to those if i did but i guess it's just th truth and thanks to those who agree !!
most of you folks 'out there' are under the VERY mistaken belief that this dispute is taking place in a country that affords employees some kind of legal protection and/or enforces employer contractual obligations.....hahahahahahheheheheh.....thud!
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On the contrary Blunderbus, most of the folks the AOA has alienated by the ban have never had such protections to any of their contracts prior to joining CX so your statement is not one which will deter.
Perhaps you and the AOA need some research on the type of people the AOA is alienating by the ban for you seem a tad off the mark.
Perhaps you and the AOA need some research on the type of people the AOA is alienating by the ban for you seem a tad off the mark.
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Scargill a prominent union leader in the UK was leading a union with 35 000 members or so, when he retired after years of industrial action, a decimated industry and around 3 500 members his union stated that one thing dear Arthur didn't understand was that it was the unions responsibility to negotiate the best settlement possible with t'management before a settlement was forced upon them. It's a forest and trees thing really, unions don't have to always be anti-management, unfortunately many involved in unions don't understand this basic truth. Bit like oppositions in Government feel they always have to oppose whatever the Government of the day tries to make policy. At the end of the day if the Company fails then we all do with it. Unions with responsible leaders realise that the only way forward is in co-operation with management and the work force. Not like here where we have had more than ten years of ineffectual industrial action. More of a nuisance to management and a hurt to the bottom line really. Nothing has or will be achieved at CX until the AOA stops all action and comes back to the table with realistic propositions.
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I'm sitting on the sidelines with this one, just watching what's going on. I've read a lot a of stuff on this forum, and a lot specifically posted by the AOA.
I was a bit of a rough youth, flying gave me an outlet and a big change to that life. Sadly, I wasn't as big as many of the other bastards, so I learnt one lesson the painful way - when you fight, you fight hard to win, or %*&# off....
My question is - if you are in a fight, then why don't you really fight?
(Pls spare me the arguments already posted - finding it hard to accept them. I'm looking for something new.)
I was a bit of a rough youth, flying gave me an outlet and a big change to that life. Sadly, I wasn't as big as many of the other bastards, so I learnt one lesson the painful way - when you fight, you fight hard to win, or %*&# off....
My question is - if you are in a fight, then why don't you really fight?
(Pls spare me the arguments already posted - finding it hard to accept them. I'm looking for something new.)
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Well done Franky, an intelligent, concise point of view put across and with a strong defining rebuttal to finish.
I have done my fair share of flights with FO's like yourself Frank and have come to the conclusion that it is not your fault but that of the recruiting department so rest easy there young man....I do not hold you solely to blame.
As to your assertion, I am not, nor have I ever had a desire to display my plume to the management tune. You however do great service to the management cause with the juvenille reteroic content of your arguement.
Isn't it a wonderfull thing that the travelling public knows little of the maturity of some of those that inhabit foward of the door marked "Crew Only".
I have done my fair share of flights with FO's like yourself Frank and have come to the conclusion that it is not your fault but that of the recruiting department so rest easy there young man....I do not hold you solely to blame.
As to your assertion, I am not, nor have I ever had a desire to display my plume to the management tune. You however do great service to the management cause with the juvenille reteroic content of your arguement.
Isn't it a wonderfull thing that the travelling public knows little of the maturity of some of those that inhabit foward of the door marked "Crew Only".
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Frankie baby, do you believe CX management are as dense as the union management? I can assure you they are not. They are quietly awaiting the increased action to be taken by t'union aware of the fact that around 60% of the aircrew will not be involved in anything which puts the futures of their families at risk. Add management pilots and others readily available to them and all they (management) will have is a cost saving as the union hot heads are identified and terminated. And like it or not terminated legally with three months notice or pay in lieu. Are you one of those who are waiting for the new contracts in the post? Don't hold your breath, unless you really wanted to of course, there is no need for new contracts. ! July came and went - where was the bogey man then? Only in your head my paranoid pilot.
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As you may have noticed, Frankg has deleted all his posts and thrown the baby out with the bath water.
Guess logical discussion, when it turns against the reteroic of the day is just too much for you to stomach. Time to run a hot bath and take in the razor blades.
Cannot say I am going to miss your rantings ...Bye
Guess logical discussion, when it turns against the reteroic of the day is just too much for you to stomach. Time to run a hot bath and take in the razor blades.
Cannot say I am going to miss your rantings ...Bye