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Dear Richard ....

Old 15th Jul 2011, 03:12
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Dear Richard ....

Dear Richard ...

So after years of A scale you fags decided to extend yourselves for another 10 years ... slide into DFO so you can milk the cow and then cut out the housing?

O.K. So you've bumped it up again to $10K a month for an S/O when the housing has been the highest ever since 97? Are you on crack? Its costs $20K a month for a Tung Ghetto Chung flat!!!

Cancelled flights last week due to lack of crew .... man that bonus of yours must be getting chipped away

How can you have the audacity to be an A scaler for most of your career and expect new joiners to take the hit in their wallet so you can retire with a FAT BONUS? Aren't you ashamed of yourself? Seriously Richard you have to take a look in the mirror and ask yourself am I a selfish prick?

The newly hired S/O is still an aviator with a dedication to the profession what's the difference between you and them? You were an F/O once? .. You were a new hire? ... Surely you can respect that fact that flying in Asia is demanding and requires skilled professionals ... Go to India or Bangladesh if you're so adamant that cheap labour is the way to go.

Cathay Road Show Mumbai?

Emirates & Etihad have opened cadet their recruitment to ANYONE and you get far more bang for your buck housing wise, in the UAE than you do in Hong Kong.

If I was a low time guy / cadet I'd be taking Dubai over Hong Kong any day guaranteed!

Guys flying Navajo's or Metro's can now go straight to the right seat of a 737 or an A320 and they don't have to put up with your deluded long sleeve "sky god" training regime and be "blue bag bitches".

With the HK/USD at an all time low (reducing) the housing has been the dumbest move EVER!

I wish you luck you're going to need it!

regards,

Toss

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Old 15th Jul 2011, 04:56
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How can you have the audacity to be an A scaler for most of your career and expect new joiners to take the hit in their wallet so you can retire with a FAT BONUS? Aren't you ashamed of yourself? Seriously Richard you have to take a look in the mirror and ask yourself am I a selfish prick?
That “FAT BONUS” is Richards, not a new joiners bonus. We will continue to take money out of pilot wallets to top up our “FAT BONUSES”, RETIREMENT PACKAGES and PAY.

We are too arrogant to be ashamed, don’t you know we can commit perjury in the Hong Kong Court System and get away with it. Arrogance is a trait we seek at The CPG. We price fix cargo rates and no one goes to jail. We operate with impunity.

“Selfish Prick”, there is no such words in Management at The CPG. We will rape the employees at every corner, reducing pay and benefits. In the near future we may have new joiners paying The CPG for an opportunity to be offered an interview. When we invite new joiners to Hong Kong for interviews, we only provide the interviewee a ticket, which is a high priority standby ticket and hotel only. All meals in Hong Kong will be from the interviewee’s own account. We will NOT provide meals while in Kitty City. That saving is passed on directly to King Richard. Certainly we would not have a Swine interviewee pay for their own meals, as they would be of a higher caliber profession.

The newly hired S/O is still an aviator with a dedication to the profession what's the difference between you and them? You were an F/O once? . You were a new hire? ... Surely you can respect that fact that flying in Asia is demanding and requires skilled professionals ... Go to India or Bangladesh if you're so adamant that cheap labour is the way to go.
Our philosophy is highly sophisticated aircraft so the skill level required is much less. You can see this in our training machine as we are less checking and more training to standard. In the old days if you messed up, our highly skilled checking staff would be very hard on the candidate and may require a visit to the Chief Pilots office for an informal chat.

Richard is one of those highly trained professionals we hired many years ago and that is why he is paid the package he is paid. As for new joiners since 1993, they are less skilled and keep getting less skilled every year as we reduce the package. As with the new multi crew pilot license, we only want a warm body in the seat. We believe the AF 447 incident is a very remote incident. By the time our new monkeys get into a flying position, our training staff would have the monkeys up to an acceptable level. We are willing to accept more hard landings and bent aircraft as this will come out of HAECO’s budget and will not affect our bonus or package.

We don’t feel shame or selfishness we are too arrogant which makes us better than the common worker.

We are still receiving applications and many attendees for second interviews in Hong Kong. We are lowering the requirement to the bottom level and hence the current package.

As for the reduce housing, we are hiring very young candidates and we expect the new hires to join forces and live together is small flats. All new hires will be able to study together during their induction phase and this helps out both the candidate and the company.

We don’t expect new joiners to have girlfriends or wives and we expect new joiners to gain their pleasure from the many girls in the Wan Chai area. We don’t expect new joiners after six years or so to settle down with a girlfriend or wife, as they will not be able to afford a family. This will save us millions in benefits such as housing, medical, travel, or schooling.

Our philosophy is to keep the pilot group as poor as possible and they will be very grateful we provide them with a job in order to buy a bowl of rice and some vegetables.

The amount of money we can save with this new philosophy is astounding and that will directly go to our BONUSES!

The CPG is still a highly sought after job.

To My Bonus
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 10:28
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Well said!
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Something that has been mentioned in a little 'ole book floating around the HK (CX) best sellers list, as well as something most pilots were indoctrinated into believing: Leave the industry in a better place than when you started. That is, CONTRIBUTE.

As a pilot, this guy is less of an airman than the zero hour cadets he financially sodomises for self gain. Nothing more, nothing less. Let's not go into integrity or morality! Greed. Utter greed.

What were those 7 Deadly sins again??
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Old 15th Jul 2011, 12:19
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Well Said man .... BOOM!
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 03:22
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Does Cathay Pacific actually make interviewees pay for meals while doing an interview in Hong Kong? Surely not?

Next we will be on a layover and having to pay for our own meals.

Just when you think you seen it all, Cathay Pacific Airways comes to the top. Pathetic really.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 06:27
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When the Cadets come to HK for their CRM course and briefings prior to going to Adelaide they have to pay for all their food etc. CX won't even give them a pittance of an allowance. They are in HK for 3 days doing CX stuff.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 07:54
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Management

That's what management is all about..Well said.!! Very sad state of affairs.

HKA was being critisized at one time... by the look of it, HKA seem to be a better place to fly with B777/B747-800 and A380's soon!

Best of luck guys.
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 10:39
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'As for the reduced housing, we are hiring very young candidates and we expect the new hires to join forces and live together is small flats.'
Great for faggy Henry, he will have a better pool of altar boys.

As for RH, he is just a little desk puppy on a fraction of salary of his predecessor.
Know one guy who did his daughter after meeting her in wanchai, sweet victory.

Nicky is still bringing in 1 Million usd incl. bonus, not bad for a freighter only guy
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Old 23rd Jul 2011, 09:33
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Cripes, this is all very depressing reading. What has happened to the once mighty CX? Just had a beer with a retired mate who has a fabbo CX tale to tell. But, in line with the thread, after years of failing to get into CX, he was eventually called to HK for the second stage. His wife was encouraged to visit too. They were transported from LGW on economy tickets but upgraded to Business. Arriving in HK, met by a Rep and first taken to a Bank where the candidate was PAID Candidate allowance ( basic FO rate) for the entire projected stay in HK. Two day stay in HK with Hotac bed & Breakfast PAID for ! Cocktail party rounded it all off (we know that was the wive's selection test) & the pair were again upgraded to Business for the return. Ok, it was 1987. Ok, quarter of a century later & everything has changed. It remains sad reading though that a once mighty carrier which was the aiming point for many pilots had degenerated to this. My mate, who failed the racial test sits back with his Pinacolada & feels that he was saved. I too , failed part one, but that is another story. Looks like me & my buddy might just have been saved from a dreadful 25 years of thorough disintegration. What a shame.
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Old 24th Jul 2011, 01:48
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HKA was being critisized at one time... by the look of it, HKA seem to be a better place to fly with B777/B747-800 and A380's soon!
I don't believe that for a second.
 
Old 26th Jul 2011, 10:18
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Business? we all got First..! And a guided tour of our enormously subsidised housing, (including pool and maid etc.) by Annie C-S...
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Old 27th Jul 2011, 20:33
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Yeah, heady days. But, then, you probably have blond hair, blue eyes and fair(not allowed to say 'white') skin. Annie was fun though !
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 00:12
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Halcyon days, when the only thing CX crews had to whinge about was a certain vertically challenged Senior Training Captain.

However, champers in the Cathay Club, the Aviation Club, the Hebe Haven Yacht Club and other favourite watering holes, when three months bonus was announced, made it all worthwhile. Yet still the shareholders made a packet, so everybody was happy.

Where did it all go so wrong?
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 00:47
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Where did it go wrong?

I'd appreciate some help as I am a bit confused. I'm an experienced ex-military pilot and I applied to Cathay for a F/O post. As we all know they aren't recruiting F/Os so I went back into my application and ticked the S/O box too. I got an email the other day saying:

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I am pleased to advise you that I now have a schedule for your final interview in Hong Kong
Experienced military, an S/O on local terms!
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 01:51
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History lesson

Read the 49's, it's all in there. Has anything changed?
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 07:00
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Direct quotes from hopeful iCadets asking for information on the wannabe's forum:

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ok does the hongg kong pilot licenses works in the other country? if i am the first officers of cathy ok and i want to go to the air quantas or the etihad airlines or the air emirates or the british airlines is the hong kong pilott licenses works in these airlines? ok thanks
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If you think for a second that i am going to sit on my hands and wait for conditions to improve, just so you can sleep a little better at night knowing your contract is supposedly safer, then you are sadly mistaken. Go on, call me names, tell me i am a sell out - it changes nothing.
So, Sir Richard, welcome to your legacy. You must be so proud. Then again, your back pocket can alleviate any stresses on morality or integrity.
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Old 28th Jul 2011, 07:35
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These posts sound like they are from kids whose testicles have only just descended, or from drunks or wind-up merchants.

If they are genuine, and if they make it through the system, may 'god' have mercy on our 'souls'.

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Old 31st Jul 2011, 20:05
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You get what you pay for. Who's to say somebody who can't tell a good contract from a bad one (and therefore signs the bad one) will do any better identifying a system(s) failure on board? Both require similar attributes - attention to detail, a cool head, and weighing your options.

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Old 31st Jul 2011, 23:16
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Both require similar attributes - attention to detail, a cool head, and weighing your options.
I agree to some extent but on the aircraft we (usually) have checklists to guide us through the problem.

As far as bad contracts go, most things are relative. Some people see coming to CX as a better option than paying for their own endorsement, uniform and lunch, a situation that seems to be so prevalent with other operators, particularly in Europe.

Do I agree with the constant erosion of pilots' terms and conditions? No I don't. Can anything be done about it? Unlikely whilst people still join the profession. Are we at CX any different from anywhere else? No, supply and demand is fundamental in any market - the only time something will change is when demand outstrips supply. At that point one of two things will happen; conditions improve or expansion stops. (For the economists out there, I realise the converse is true).

There is, of course, a third element to the supply scenario, implicit in Gligg's post, and that is standards. Are we at a "pay peanuts and you get monkeys" stage? I don't think so but it is clearly something that has to be borne in mind as the industry grows.

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