CX LEPs.... it's time to join
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CX LEPs.... it's time to join
First of all..... It is a real shame the there are not more LEPs in the AOA. I don't know the exact percentage, but I do know it's not high. Having said that now is the time to join!
The AOA has just negotiated with Management (through the Hong Kong Labour Department) that LEPs who are in receipt of bypass pay will now receive the HK$24,000 per month Special Allowance payable to locally employed Captains. This will be back dated to the 01/07/08..... This is something that LEPs should have been getting all along, but at least a AOA GC (with NO LEPs in the GC) has gone into battle for you... and had a win!
To all Non-AOA LEPs...... Please show that you care about the pilot group as a whole and join the AOA. Hopefully with a bit of Unity we can ALL have a win.
The AOA has just negotiated with Management (through the Hong Kong Labour Department) that LEPs who are in receipt of bypass pay will now receive the HK$24,000 per month Special Allowance payable to locally employed Captains. This will be back dated to the 01/07/08..... This is something that LEPs should have been getting all along, but at least a AOA GC (with NO LEPs in the GC) has gone into battle for you... and had a win!
To all Non-AOA LEPs...... Please show that you care about the pilot group as a whole and join the AOA. Hopefully with a bit of Unity we can ALL have a win.
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They're too busy eating their wonton noodles mate! Maybe you should post this info at the Noodle shops in Kowloon.
Maybe you should offer perks like getting AOA 15% discounts for noodles. That'll get them to sign up.
Maybe you should offer perks like getting AOA 15% discounts for noodles. That'll get them to sign up.
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mate!
Chaos, control yourself, your use of the word "Mate" indicates your " Down Under " Nationality and the LOW DOWN attitude which seems to (not always) but often accompany that passport , you ought to be ashamed of yourself! What is it with you guys...go home to your "mates" if you are so miserable here in Asia.
You have completely overshadowed a good effort by Nightwatch to encourage the LEPS to join up. Stop being so destructive.! I hope the locals don't judge all of us based on their experience with you....mate!
You have completely overshadowed a good effort by Nightwatch to encourage the LEPS to join up. Stop being so destructive.! I hope the locals don't judge all of us based on their experience with you....mate!
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First of all, thank you and well done to the AOA,
it's nice to finally see something done that directly benefits the LEP. This has got a lot of LEP's talking and we are extremely impressed and very happy to hear about it.
Regarding the wonton noodles...the reason why LEPs dont join is because they don't see any direct benefit LEPs (housing negotiation, basings, etc) but they need to see it's much more than that
, as a result there are low numbers in the AOA, and a lack of representation- its a viscous cycle really.
I signed up when I first joined, got quite a few others to join now. Seeing this recent progress is great news for the LEP and it will do more to drum up support to join.
it's nice to finally see something done that directly benefits the LEP. This has got a lot of LEP's talking and we are extremely impressed and very happy to hear about it.Regarding the wonton noodles...the reason why LEPs dont join is because they don't see any direct benefit LEPs (housing negotiation, basings, etc) but they need to see it's much more than that
, as a result there are low numbers in the AOA, and a lack of representation- its a viscous cycle really. I signed up when I first joined, got quite a few others to join now. Seeing this recent progress is great news for the LEP and it will do more to drum up support to join.
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volarecantare, I hold the same passport.
Stupid people abound, regardless of the colour of the of the book they hand to immigration.
Careful you don't put yourself in the same xenophobic basket as our resident idiot.
Stupid people abound, regardless of the colour of the of the book they hand to immigration.
Careful you don't put yourself in the same xenophobic basket as our resident idiot.
I talked about the AOA to a 23 yo LEP on a trip last week and do you know what reason he gave for not bothering to join up. "it doesn't effect me anyway, I'm only 23 it doesn't matter"
He deserves whatever screwing he gets, trouble is he weakens the rest of us too.
I suppose considering he's only a baby at 23 I shouldn't have been too surprised at his comment.
How many more children do we employ that don't care about their time to upgrade?
He deserves whatever screwing he gets, trouble is he weakens the rest of us too.
I suppose considering he's only a baby at 23 I shouldn't have been too surprised at his comment.
How many more children do we employ that don't care about their time to upgrade?
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I agree firewall, thats why I said "NOT ALL" but its been my experience that the attitude shown by your brother/mate above is by no means rare. The Harden the ***** attitude is destroys and divides. Individually I find the Australian passport holders often fine but when they get into a pack..well its rarely healthy , whingin , bitchin. Again not all.
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I talked about the AOA to a 23 yo LEP on a trip last week and do you know what reason he gave for not bothering to join up. "it doesn't effect me anyway, I'm only 23 it doesn't matter"
He deserves whatever screwing he gets, trouble is he weakens the rest of us too.
I suppose considering he's only a baby at 23 I shouldn't have been too surprised at his comment.
How many more children do we employ that don't care about their time to upgrade?
He deserves whatever screwing he gets, trouble is he weakens the rest of us too.
I suppose considering he's only a baby at 23 I shouldn't have been too surprised at his comment.
How many more children do we employ that don't care about their time to upgrade?
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There are some LEPs I have spoken to who claim the AOA are taking credit for what the local pilot committee essentially negotiated and it wasn't until the deal was nearly done that the AOA stepped in completed the final touches.
Whether or not this is entirely true, it seems to be the feeling amongst the locals and it will take a lot more than this to get the locals to rejoin/join the AOA.
Whether or not this is entirely true, it seems to be the feeling amongst the locals and it will take a lot more than this to get the locals to rejoin/join the AOA.
There are some low life that seem to get cheap thrills out of splashing their boots around in **** puddles hoping that they might hit someone else apart from themselves. We all know who they are, and we should politely ignore their childish rantings.
Night Watch reported an significant improvement in the conditions of service for LEPs who are in receipt of bypass pay that was negotiated by the AOA with back-dating of that improvement.
This is something for all LEPs to celebrate and for them to consider joining the AOA to lend support to the ideal of improving the lot of all CX employed pilots.
Night Watch reported an significant improvement in the conditions of service for LEPs who are in receipt of bypass pay that was negotiated by the AOA with back-dating of that improvement.
This is something for all LEPs to celebrate and for them to consider joining the AOA to lend support to the ideal of improving the lot of all CX employed pilots.
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After reading the AOA update this week regarding LEP command BPP. I am little confused by the way it was presented. Not trying to **** stir, but I would like to see how others interpret this because I read it slightly differently to 'backpaying' the BPP. I read it as all those in receipt of BPP before 1 July will ONLY be backdated to 1 July (to state the obvious we are currently in October, therefore a backdate to 1 July is still significant) and NOT backdated to the day BPP commenced for that individual. AND those in receipt of BPP since 1 July will be backdated from when they began receiving BPP (this bit is rather straight forward).
"All Officers in receipt of BPP on or since 01July will receive the allowance either from 01July (backdated) or from when they began receiving BPP. Incomplete months will be paid on a pro-rated basis."
As we read in previous updates, it is understood the sticking point may be the matter of backdating the pay where some individuals could be owed somewhere in the region of $1million. (25 Aug).
Thoughts?
"All Officers in receipt of BPP on or since 01July will receive the allowance either from 01July (backdated) or from when they began receiving BPP. Incomplete months will be paid on a pro-rated basis."
As we read in previous updates, it is understood the sticking point may be the matter of backdating the pay where some individuals could be owed somewhere in the region of $1million. (25 Aug).
Thoughts?
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posted by ACMS:
Mate if your too damn dumb to ask why then god help us all.
You must be kidding me right?
Come on?
Mate if your too damn dumb to ask why then god help us all.
You must be kidding me right?
Come on?
Your use of the word "your" in the above sentence is incorrect. Now, My guess is that you were trying to say You-Are..in which case, the correct spelling would be "you're"
Just want to help out another AOA brother.
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Let me get this straight,
We are hiring DEC's, DEFO's & still extending Captains beyond 55, which is delaying upgrades across the board. Allot of guys who should be upgrading as we speak, are not because of the current debacle. The ONLY protection we have against this abuse of our contracts is bypass pay, and this is being paid to all those that were given a shot at upgrade and by one way or another did not get through. The union now "negotiates" a housing allowance for these guys getting paid to do a job that they are not doing.... OK... good one.
So now I guess the second best job in this company,number one being a failed command trainee who then takes up his base in seniority and goes onto bypass pay, is the above.
Why does this not surprise me, CX thinks this is great! it is a "no cost item" for them. Take one extender, give him\her a pay-cut to B-scale,and send the proceeds to next most senior FO(regardless).
Can anyone fix this mess? This is a shallow victory.
We are hiring DEC's, DEFO's & still extending Captains beyond 55, which is delaying upgrades across the board. Allot of guys who should be upgrading as we speak, are not because of the current debacle. The ONLY protection we have against this abuse of our contracts is bypass pay, and this is being paid to all those that were given a shot at upgrade and by one way or another did not get through. The union now "negotiates" a housing allowance for these guys getting paid to do a job that they are not doing.... OK
... good one.So now I guess the second best job in this company,number one being a failed command trainee who then takes up his base in seniority and goes onto bypass pay, is the above.
Why does this not surprise me, CX thinks this is great! it is a "no cost item" for them. Take one extender, give him\her a pay-cut to B-scale,and send the proceeds to next most senior FO(regardless).
Can anyone fix this mess? This is a shallow victory.
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The AOA wants all the LEP's to join, so they have another group to sell out in order to maintain A-scale salaries. They have done nothing for LEPs the entire time and are happy to have them on less conditions than the rest of the pilot group.
They will protect the LEPs just as they did the 49'ers. The AOA is no better than the maggots in the Star Chamber. Its shameful they didnt stand behind their members when they needed it the most.
Oh, and Chaos, give ACMS a break...its hard for him to see the big picture when he has the AOA's balls resting on his chin.
They will protect the LEPs just as they did the 49'ers. The AOA is no better than the maggots in the Star Chamber. Its shameful they didnt stand behind their members when they needed it the most.
Oh, and Chaos, give ACMS a break...its hard for him to see the big picture when he has the AOA's balls resting on his chin.
I Love PX or I love myself. Whatever your name is
If you have a look at the AOA GC I think you'll find the majority are B scale now.
While in an perfect world ( where Beer is free and the women easy ) the LEP's would be getting the same conditions as the EXPATS, but we are not in an perfect world. They are LOCALS and as such I don't see why they should get the EXPAT allowances we get.
Our BASED Pilot's are LOCALS in their home country and don't get ANY EXPAT allowances either. ( not even a free carpark at the Airport like QF JQ and VB crew get )
The HKG LEP's get the SAME PAY, SAME HDP, SAME EFP, SAME HOTEL ALLOWANCES, SAME 13th MONTH etc etc. ( As they should ). It's the EXPAT allowances they don't get.
Stop twisting the truth.
If you have a look at the AOA GC I think you'll find the majority are B scale now.
While in an perfect world ( where Beer is free and the women easy ) the LEP's would be getting the same conditions as the EXPATS, but we are not in an perfect world. They are LOCALS and as such I don't see why they should get the EXPAT allowances we get.
Our BASED Pilot's are LOCALS in their home country and don't get ANY EXPAT allowances either. ( not even a free carpark at the Airport like QF JQ and VB crew get )
The HKG LEP's get the SAME PAY, SAME HDP, SAME EFP, SAME HOTEL ALLOWANCES, SAME 13th MONTH etc etc. ( As they should ). It's the EXPAT allowances they don't get.
Stop twisting the truth.
Last edited by ACMS; 10th Oct 2008 at 00:19.