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In light of the DFO's ambiguous letter to the AOA regarding bypass pay....does anyone really believe that we will get it....and backpay? It smacks of 'expectation' management again....create the pool of 30 S/Os that we can all look forward to eventually getting into in order to receive bypass pay.....this effectively creates a bit of a distracton from the real issue....DEFOs who have taken our upgrades and allowed the company to "interpret" our COS to suit themselves.
And the icing on the cake is the new BOP...I understand only 12 FO course in 09...so thatll slow down the bypass pay significantly.....4 years as an S/O?
Later CX....
And the icing on the cake is the new BOP...I understand only 12 FO course in 09...so thatll slow down the bypass pay significantly.....4 years as an S/O?
Later CX....
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The companies argument is that they needed to hire DEFOs.... Well if they just stuck with the COS and promoted SOs then they wouldnt have this problem, with SOs now waiting a long time to upgrade and having to pay bypass....
From my understanding it is only extendees triggering bypass for SOs as the company does not think that DEFOs should trigger it. As for the letter
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From my understanding it is only extendees triggering bypass for SOs as the company does not think that DEFOs should trigger it. As for the letter
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The companies argument is that they needed to hire DEFOs
Expat JFO costs WAY more than a DEFO.
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More bad news on top of the fact that they are only upgrading about 12 SO's next year.
There are still a pool of ALREADY HIRED DEFO's sitting in the wings waiting for a start date. As soon as things look up it seems these guys will be offered courses ahead of any SO .........
There are still a pool of ALREADY HIRED DEFO's sitting in the wings waiting for a start date. As soon as things look up it seems these guys will be offered courses ahead of any SO .........
If you can't take a joke..............
Be interesting to see how many of the more experienced S/O's are in the 'pool' ready to f**k off at the first sign of an upturn too, after being so well treated in HK 
, CX screwing their staff who would have thought it!!
, CX screwing their staff who would have thought it!!
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I think most will wait 6 months or so after the upgrade before they show their appreciation....
Any guesses how long it will take for an S/O to upgrade? 3.5-4 years?
It's a pitty the guys and gals on COS08 will never see a cent of Bypass....
Any guesses how long it will take for an S/O to upgrade? 3.5-4 years?
It's a pitty the guys and gals on COS08 will never see a cent of Bypass....
You've got more patience than me
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Ahh, the clear blue skies, nothing lost in translation........alas, life is back to normal.
To all those SO's below, please take one step forward
I've been Hong Kong clean for 4 days and lovin it
Ahh, the clear blue skies, nothing lost in translation........alas, life is back to normal.
To all those SO's below, please take one step forward
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It wouldnt be quite so bad if they just HONORED THE CONTRACT THEY WROTE
I quite agree with Humber10s assesment......
On a slightly side note, why does the company honor the bypass agreement to guys on a base who choose not to come back to HK for a command, yet pay them bypass pay, but not the S/Os......
I quite agree with Humber10s assesment......
On a slightly side note, why does the company honor the bypass agreement to guys on a base who choose not to come back to HK for a command, yet pay them bypass pay, but not the S/Os......
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"Suitable"
It is all a big game.
The fact of the matter is that a selection panel is actually used to determine those that are unsuitable not those that are suitable!!
So it is quite correct to assume that once Cat A and STI is passed you are infact suitable!
And to quote the management at the SO meeting he said you would be surprised at how many get turned down at selection board. This tells me again that they use the selection board to select those that are unsuitable not those that they already know are suitable (I imagine those files are already ticked suitable) In there busy world why would they waste time talking about people with good simulator/interview/employment records????
Games, games, games.........
The fact of the matter is that a selection panel is actually used to determine those that are unsuitable not those that are suitable!!
So it is quite correct to assume that once Cat A and STI is passed you are infact suitable!
And to quote the management at the SO meeting he said you would be surprised at how many get turned down at selection board. This tells me again that they use the selection board to select those that are unsuitable not those that they already know are suitable (I imagine those files are already ticked suitable) In there busy world why would they waste time talking about people with good simulator/interview/employment records????
Games, games, games.........
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Reverse logic
That's a weird analysis icanfly... surely the fact that there are some people who are "unsuitable" when they reach the selection board means that you CANNOT assume that when you are Cat A and have your STI you are in fact suitable?
If it came down to just those two points the selection board would simply be rubber-stamping.
If it came down to just those two points the selection board would simply be rubber-stamping.
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So tell us Voice of Reason. If you are Cat A and have no problems with your sims why exactly would you be deemed unsuitable?? I wouldn't call the review board a rubber stamp, just a way to f$%# people over. Hoops for the sake of saving a few bucks...
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Why wouldn't I be Suitable?
Off the top of my head:
1) I'm not a good communicator
2) English-language skills not up to scratch
3) The three modules I have taken since Cat A haven't been consistent, and that I may need to prove myself further
Just as examples of some SOs I know who have been knocked back.
1) I'm not a good communicator
2) English-language skills not up to scratch
3) The three modules I have taken since Cat A haven't been consistent, and that I may need to prove myself further
Just as examples of some SOs I know who have been knocked back.
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Voice of reason, are you in management? As far as I'm aware S/O's are not being interviewed, and are certainly not assessed, at 3 Modules subsequent to Cat A status, so you must be privy to inside knowledge of a particular S/O who is unlikely to be deemed "suitable" at such a time as this is likely.
And why oh why are you writing in first person, should'nt you be writing in third person if you know of a particular S/O or S/O's with the mentioned problems? Unless of course you are one of the S/O's listed above but somehow I think not.... I don't like your tone.
And why oh why are you writing in first person, should'nt you be writing in third person if you know of a particular S/O or S/O's with the mentioned problems? Unless of course you are one of the S/O's listed above but somehow I think not.... I don't like your tone.
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I'm writing in the first person as I was asked the question in a hypothetical situation.
I do know of S/Os who this has happened to, but this does not mean I am in management, simply that I speak to those people who are affected.
Whether you like my tone or not, frankly, my dear, I don't etc.
I do know of S/Os who this has happened to, but this does not mean I am in management, simply that I speak to those people who are affected.
Whether you like my tone or not, frankly, my dear, I don't etc.
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The latest proposal to upgrade the 30 or so SOs instead of paying them bypass pay seems to be only a way to avoid fixing the real problem. By proceeding that way, what will happen the next time SOs are being prejudiced and not paid their entitled bypass pay? It doesn't solve anything beyond the very short term. Courts are the way to go. Lets set a precedent for the benefit of all, so that the next time all will be paid their entitlement.