Second Officers standing firm
 

I'm proud of you guys for standing up for yourselves today. The turnout alone was enough to show the Company that we're not going to put up with this B.S. non-compliance with the Contract. The look on Sten Kroutil's, the GMA's and GMF's faces when they saw the numbers in the audience was priceless. I'm convinced if we had stones there would have been a lynching.

The solidarity shown today made me proud.

We're taking it back.

Sorry guys, I'm missing something. What happened today?:confused:

The Company knows now that they're dealing with a different type of pilot group and a stronger Union. Most of the S/Os hired in recent years have previous airline and/or command experience and aren't intimidated by management scare tactics and aren't starry-eyed at working for a new carrier. They've seen it before.

You are only worth as much as you negotiate. Just remember that.

I also heard that the meeting overflowed out of the AOA office and into CX City auditorium. Union meetings on Company grounds. I love it.

Heard CX brought in three managers to try to talk one-on-one with the "few S/O's" they thought would show up and try to and intimidate them a little. Guess you upstaged them.

Heard also the Union officials present had to put an end to the meeting before it got too "ugly."

Nicely done boys.

Solidarity.

:ok:

One question:

I read all the AOA updates and I do not recall the mention of a meeting, did I miss something?

Mayday

Yes the whole thing was a nice thought, but like Sten said... he was only glad he was there because he was being paid to be there.

Some valid points were raised and it was nice to see a few more guys show than was expected, but it really felt like a few high school kids argueing with some teachers about a change to the cafeteria menu... they could care less.

Its going to be a long 4 years fella's, enjoy a week on the beach in Bali every month.

About 63 S/Os showed up I believe. When you consider that there are about 300+ S/Os on the line, with about 50% either flying or on leave, that leaves about 150 S/Os in HK. That means that 42% of S/Os decided on their day off to show up and DO SOMETHING about their careers. That is impressive. Now imagine if we can extrapolate those numbers out to the ENTIRE PILOT GROUP. It's not that far-fetched.


This was sent out to all the AOA S/Os a week or two ago. Thank you to the new GC for organizing this:

Dear Member

On October the 3rd at 14:00 we will be holding an informal meeting for our Second Officers to discuss and share ideas on BPP issues and general Second Officer concerns. The meeting will be held at the AOA lounge 6th Floor General Stores building across from Cathay City. Attending to answer questions and receive feedback will be members of your General Committee as well as Sten Kroutil from the company, who will be able to shed some light on issues directly affecting Second Officers. If you have non member Second Officer friends interested in joining the AOA please bring them along and try to arrive by 13:00 as we will be able to offer some one on one time with members of your General Committee.


Please let the AOA office know if you plan to attend by sending an email to [email protected].


Thank you

HKAOA General Committee

But they did, I thought SweepTheLeg just established that.

So anyone care to comment on what exactly went on and what was said.....?

I am proud of you guys.
Would have loved to have been there.
Interested in what was discussed, obviously it was no longer a "one on one" chat as the company wanted (keep it controlled ) so if someone could please jot down what went on/general mood/responses from management participants it would be appreciated. Also who from the GC was in attendance?

Don't worry.

Cathay will sack about 49 S/Os randomly sometime in the near future and the rest will go back to work quietly.

That's just the sort of comment we don't need on this discussion.
CChaos, go and cower in the corner if you wish. Others are doing something to effect change-you are obviously too scared or too pathetic to be one of them so go and F off

Well done ladies and gents.

Firewall,

My statement only reflect Cathay Pacific Airways' history in dealing in malcontents mate.

Sad but true.

Good show boys, heard the room was electric!

Wouldn't surprise me if our AOA president (aka the management spy) has already handed over the list of S/Os in attendance for disciplinary actions to follow.

Controlled chaos, what is your problem , these guys are on a high and all you can think of are stupid chirps! If you got nothing better to say ....SHUT UP!!!!:mad:

Where to from here if the company don't do anything?

AOA Communications better than ever!
 

Jizzmonkey,

All AOA members received that email. The meeting was well advertised.

I agree with you; would have been great for more people to show up in support, but AOA communications are in fine shape, in my opinion. :ok:

Cheers!