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It never ceases to amaze me the contempt that some Cathay pilots show towards each other. Un-paralled in my experience working for other airlines around the world.
Well done to the S/O's
Well done to the S/O's
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Have you ever flown with any RP/RQ DEFO who simply has no clue what he's doing? I did, felt like a training SO. Absolutely no local knowledge, no technical knowledge, no SOP knowledge. 
I personally would NOT dare to take any controlled rest when I'm sitting with these backdoor sneakers. And kudos to the handful of 4-bars who simply refuse to give these guys a sector. 
If you think experience is what the company based on when they hire these guys, you would be surprised. I found out about one who got hired as a DEFO, passed base training and been doing LUFS flying REAL pax.
Apparently he has NEVER EVER flown a jet nor seen a glass cockpit before. Unfortunately for him, he didn't get through his training, another precious training slot well WASTED. Now you're telling me he's more qualified for the position than any SO who has done their time with the company? Especially the ones who wanted that particular base only to be rejected as they have yet to be assessed as eligible for JFO upgrade? 
Not only are SO's missing out on their bypass pay but also their slim chance of getting home after doing their time in HK.
What really pisses me off is of all the DEFO's that I've talked to, majority of them are more than willing to relocate to HKG after doing their time on the base, in order to take advantage of the lucrative housing allowance as an expat. I really wonder how many of these guys would actually sign up the first place if they were told that they MUST stay on the base or never get any allowance even if they relocate.
I personally would NOT dare to take any controlled rest when I'm sitting with these backdoor sneakers. And kudos to the handful of 4-bars who simply refuse to give these guys a sector. If you think experience is what the company based on when they hire these guys, you would be surprised. I found out about one who got hired as a DEFO, passed base training and been doing LUFS flying REAL pax.
Apparently he has NEVER EVER flown a jet nor seen a glass cockpit before. Unfortunately for him, he didn't get through his training, another precious training slot well WASTED. Now you're telling me he's more qualified for the position than any SO who has done their time with the company? Especially the ones who wanted that particular base only to be rejected as they have yet to be assessed as eligible for JFO upgrade? Not only are SO's missing out on their bypass pay but also their slim chance of getting home after doing their time in HK. What really pisses me off is of all the DEFO's that I've talked to, majority of them are more than willing to relocate to HKG after doing their time on the base, in order to take advantage of the lucrative housing allowance as an expat. I really wonder how many of these guys would actually sign up the first place if they were told that they MUST stay on the base or never get any allowance even if they relocate.
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Guys - see my post above. Nothing good comes from alienating one group or the other.
The reason we have DEFO's & DEC's is because the pilot group wasn't united enough, and therefore the AOA not strong enough, to do anything about it. Thank God that is changing.
Don't blame the guys, they're all just average joe's like the rest of us. Your gripe is with the company and their lack of respect for your CoS.
Strength in numbers - united numbers
The reason we have DEFO's & DEC's is because the pilot group wasn't united enough, and therefore the AOA not strong enough, to do anything about it. Thank God that is changing.
Don't blame the guys, they're all just average joe's like the rest of us. Your gripe is with the company and their lack of respect for your CoS.
Strength in numbers - united numbers
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Strength in numbers - united numbers
And even if they were, it would do no good.
The company would simply produce another 49er letter, and any sort of solidarity would fold like a house of cards.
One wonders when some of these newer folks at CX will finally wake up and discover that HK labor laws simply are not suitable for any sort of negotiation...they are firmly stacked in the favor of the company, and nothing can be done about it.
Nothing, except leave CX for greener pastures.
BusterHot knows the score.
Better read and learn from him, otherwise expect much grief.
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Attrition & unity works. Look at KA pilots last year
The SO's don't stand a chance.
None whatsoever.
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There are already a few of the S.Os in attendance last week who have been called into the office for a "chat". I wonder what they were chatting about. 
Becareful out there and watch your back.
Becareful out there and watch your back.
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Controlled Chaos...REALLY....so some SO's have been 'called in' have they...? Well, a friend works in management, and he told me categorically that NO SUCH THING HAS HAPPENED. You are a lying, agitating scum...so why don't you go away and play with yourself...ok?
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actually no CC. I don't believe everything I read on the internet, but that was the point of my original post wasn't it....to claim that you are a lying agitating scum. There you go, thank you for making my point for me.
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No need to knok down people you don't know, Sir. How many companis are out there where a DEFO can make as much money as CX DESO; including CX itself? How many in the US of A (Arizona in your location suggets that's where you are)? Oh yeah don't forget the free house... and a week on the beach in Bali every month.
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... and a week on the beach in Bali every week