USA/CAN Commuters
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USA/CAN Commuters
Because of CX's luddvillian attitude towards jumpseat privileges, many off us are now faced with spending upwards of 25% of our monthly income on just getting to work. Last week, the only ticket I could get to travel from Florida to LA was over $400....one way. I was able to use a pass getting back home thankfully. With the NA carriers rapidly reducing domestic capacity and quickly raising prices, pretty soon we will not be able to travel to work without it costing us more than we earn. I cannot 'move' from Florida because I am caring for a very ill relative. Most NA pilots benefit from being members of a system called CASS, which allows each others pilots to travel on each others carriers for free. Most of the NA airline managements realise that it is in their best interest to allow their employees to have an economical way of getting to and from work. Just last week, United announced that some of their domestic tickets will now require a 4 day stay. That will start making things even more difficult. When will CX management start to HELP make it's employees lives a bit easier, instead of always making them more difficult. Give reciprocal jumpseat rights to NA carriers, and they will offer the same. There is no excuse. Very soon I won't be able to afford to come to work....
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To all of you who are contemplating joining CX, consider carefully the above statement. In the US, most pilots just walk up to a counter and are given a free pass to ride on the plane to whatever destination they are needing to get to. We however are the poor stepchild of the industry when it comes to this. We are told we 'are not on any js agreement'..and are politely told to move aside so they can help the next passenger in line...
Unless you are willing to live in LA, the cost of getting to work is rapidly increasing. Round trip tickets between cities is predicted to rise towards $750 round trip by the end of the year. With reduced capacity, we won't be able to use our (limited) reduced fare tickets that we can obtain (standby only). A colleague at United told me that they have been told that next year the success rate of standby travel for staff is projected to drop to below 20%...and that is for their own employees! We won't have a chance of commuting any more. Living in LA is prohibitively expensive, and almost unaffordable on CX's salary. We don't enjoy any of the benefits of other airlines (CX even makes a profit from it's own staff when we buy a staff travel ticket!).
Consider all the issues before you come to work here. Many of the options that facilitate the access to work are rapidly ending. If CX would get off neurotic arses and get us access in CASS, then this would not be a problem. Of course, that would be seen as us obtaining an 'unfair benefit' over the other staff wouldn't it...?
Unless you are willing to live in LA, the cost of getting to work is rapidly increasing. Round trip tickets between cities is predicted to rise towards $750 round trip by the end of the year. With reduced capacity, we won't be able to use our (limited) reduced fare tickets that we can obtain (standby only). A colleague at United told me that they have been told that next year the success rate of standby travel for staff is projected to drop to below 20%...and that is for their own employees! We won't have a chance of commuting any more. Living in LA is prohibitively expensive, and almost unaffordable on CX's salary. We don't enjoy any of the benefits of other airlines (CX even makes a profit from it's own staff when we buy a staff travel ticket!).
Consider all the issues before you come to work here. Many of the options that facilitate the access to work are rapidly ending. If CX would get off neurotic arses and get us access in CASS, then this would not be a problem. Of course, that would be seen as us obtaining an 'unfair benefit' over the other staff wouldn't it...?
We are not allowed access to CASS as we are not a US carrier. Much time was spent trying to organise this in the past, unfortunately unsuccessfully. I understand that if you show a CX ID some Captains let you travel on a cabin crew jumpseat. Good luck.
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it's not the FAA that has a problem..IT'S CX.... For your info, EVA, China Airlines and several other overseas carriers have reached agreement with several domestic US airlines to use jumpseats (cabin only due to being overeas airlines). They have done that by offering US carriers reciprocal js rights in return. CX is too damn small minded to do such a thing. The reason is that they seem to enjoy making our lives more difficult than necessary. Back in the nineties, CAL, AmWest and another couple of airlines offered us js privileges. The DFO of the time, Ken Barley said NO...becuase he didn't want to reciprocate. As domestic fares in the US rise rapidly, and the availability of standby ID90 disappears...be sure to drop by the 3rd floor and express your appreciation (that is if you are even able to show up for your flight in LA etc...).
. For your info, EVA, China Airlines and several other overseas carriers have reached agreement with several domestic US airlines to use jumpseats (cabin only due to being overeas airlines). They have done that by offering US carriers reciprocal js rights in return. CX is too damn small minded to do such a thing. The reason is that they seem to enjoy making our lives more difficult than necessary. Back in the nineties, CAL, AmWest and another couple of airlines offered us js privileges. The DFO of the time, Ken Barley said NO...becuase he didn't want to reciprocate. As domestic fares in the US rise rapidly, and the availability of standby ID90 disappears...be sure to drop by the 3rd floor and express your appreciation (that is if you are even able to show up for your flight in LA etc...).
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...my point was that there is no 'formal' agreement. We have always been able to go 'begging' with any operating crew of a US airline...you just never know where you stand because you have no contractual arrangement. What I am referring to is that the airlines I mentioned are listed on the relevant US carriers 'approved js list', and can be given a cabin seat. They are entitled to it if available....we are not.
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What difference does it make for a cabin seat. If there is no seat you are not getting on no matter if its a "jumpseat" or a ID90. Besides, the cabin jumpseat is dead last on most standby lists.
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listen up: it's about commuting without spending upwards of $700+ frigging dollars per trip moron. If we have an agreement, we can get on the aircraft for free. Obviously if there is no seat we wouldn't get on... Do you want an agreement or not?
...why do I bother...
Do you want an agreement or not? ...why do I bother...
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I am pretty familier with US jumpseat rules, and I can tell you that CX can do absolutly nothing to get in the actual jumpseat. As others have pointed out, getting on a seat using the jumpseat list will be next to impossible. Most airlines give those using a pass a higrer priority than a jumpseating pilot, so you have a better chance of getting on using a pass. I am all for trying to get all airlines on jumpseat lists, but dont think that just because you are on that list your commute will be easier.
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Where it would really make our lives easier is on carriers that we don't have an ID90 agreement with. Take Southwest for example. Not only that but there may be a time when my usual commute is full but say United has some seats. I can't get to HKG and back with a few days notice for a pass to be placed in my mailbox when I need to get on a United flight in the next hour and a half. Jumpseat agreements create flexibility. For the few times we would give rides to guys in an empty seat, it would be more than worth it.
My previous airline had an agreement with EVA. We only got one route with them, SEA-EWR. In return for that they got our entire network on the approved list.
My previous airline had an agreement with EVA. We only got one route with them, SEA-EWR. In return for that they got our entire network on the approved list.
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Guys, get it through your thick heads. Cathay is not a North American carrier. They don't care how much it costs you to get to work. You're paid to be at work on time and how you get there or what you pay to do so is not their problem. You may be an American and live in America but you're working for a Hong Kong airline with some of the worst managers and industrial practices in the airline industry. The quicker you realize this aint ever gonna be United the better.
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N.A. Jumpseat
Tornado Ali:
Suggest you visit the B744 fleet office and offer your services in getting reciprocal J/S agreements implemented.
I think you'll find a receptive ear on the 3rd floor, and your offer of help will be received cheerfully.
Baseddude.
Suggest you visit the B744 fleet office and offer your services in getting reciprocal J/S agreements implemented.
I think you'll find a receptive ear on the 3rd floor, and your offer of help will be received cheerfully.
Baseddude.
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If you don’t arrive for your rostered duty, Crew Control will have no other choice than to assign you a “Missed Duty”. If that happens, there will be consequences. You have been warned.
You accepted the job and the base; we don’t care about your financial troubles. Arrive for you roster.
We in Management receive a travel fund which is equal to full fare Business Travel to your home port, if you are Hong Kong Based of course. This allowance includes Myself and My Family. We also receive a Free Of Charge ticket, priority 4 every year.
If we use our FOC tickets, we spend the travel fund on ID tickets to travel and it more than covers our ID travel expenses. We also use it for hotels.
We will NEVER allow any person to travel on our aircraft for free. We are not a charity Airline, we are a full service airline and with that comes a price. We don’t allow our own staff to travel for free on jumpseats, so we will not allow others. If you travel on a jumpseat you will pay the full ID 90 Y rate, the same as our employees.
Yes we do make a profit from our employees but that is a good business practice. It adds to my bonus and that is the bottom line.
If you are a Manager, traveling on company business, we will ask you to request a jumpseat from the commander and travel on that seat. This will free up an extra business class seat for a full fare paying passenger. This also adds to my bonus.
We are in the business of making profit, not happy employees. If you don’t like it, leave. There is always someone that will do your job for less. Live with it.
To My Bonus.
The Management
You accepted the job and the base; we don’t care about your financial troubles. Arrive for you roster.
We in Management receive a travel fund which is equal to full fare Business Travel to your home port, if you are Hong Kong Based of course. This allowance includes Myself and My Family. We also receive a Free Of Charge ticket, priority 4 every year.
If we use our FOC tickets, we spend the travel fund on ID tickets to travel and it more than covers our ID travel expenses. We also use it for hotels.
We will NEVER allow any person to travel on our aircraft for free. We are not a charity Airline, we are a full service airline and with that comes a price. We don’t allow our own staff to travel for free on jumpseats, so we will not allow others. If you travel on a jumpseat you will pay the full ID 90 Y rate, the same as our employees.
Yes we do make a profit from our employees but that is a good business practice. It adds to my bonus and that is the bottom line.
If you are a Manager, traveling on company business, we will ask you to request a jumpseat from the commander and travel on that seat. This will free up an extra business class seat for a full fare paying passenger. This also adds to my bonus.
We are in the business of making profit, not happy employees. If you don’t like it, leave. There is always someone that will do your job for less. Live with it.
To My Bonus.
The Management
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Just a quick question
Don't you guys get your roster a 15th of each month, for next month. So why can't you just buy some ID90 in advance since you know already when you have to go to work. I am just trying to understand the system.
Don't you guys get your roster a 15th of each month, for next month. So why can't you just buy some ID90 in advance since you know already when you have to go to work. I am just trying to understand the system.
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JWS (jump seat withdrawal symptom)
Having come from a previous Amercian carrier (see username) I too experienced the pain of JWS (jumpseat withdrawal syndrome), added to which, several conversations to senior pilots who had tried extensively to initiate a recipricol js policy in the states only to be shot down time and again, drove the final nail in the coffin of "all hope for jseats at cathay".
I spent near to $10K over a year and a half commuting up and down the east coast. Very frustrating etc etc....However!
The Managements post hit the nail on the head! Its ALL about the money!...and at the risk of being slated across these boards consider the position of CX amercian based pilots over amercian based amercian pilots!...Anyone at CX really worried about a furlough?...Or bankrupcy?..sure there are lots of things that are hard to stomach when we comapare CX to US work rules and "culture" but as previous posts mention its a Hong Kong company!!!!!...and in the current US economic climate its not ALL bad to be in that corner!!
I like many of you all would be no where near Hong Kong if 911 and the economic decimation of our industry had not occured. We'd all likely be still at "AA/US/US etc etc" bidding half the month off, commuting first class across the country or up and down, saving thousands on costs each year, flying in a relaxed, "big picture" culture, looking forward to the sim as somewhere to brush up and learn (you get the picture)....
Suppose what I am trying to say is would you REALLY like to give up ALL the benefits at CX for the benefits of JS.....
It is hard to move on from the JS menatality but when faced with the CX response as too why we can't have js
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I spent near to $10K over a year and a half commuting up and down the east coast. Very frustrating etc etc....However!
The Managements post hit the nail on the head! Its ALL about the money!...and at the risk of being slated across these boards consider the position of CX amercian based pilots over amercian based amercian pilots!...Anyone at CX really worried about a furlough?...Or bankrupcy?..sure there are lots of things that are hard to stomach when we comapare CX to US work rules and "culture" but as previous posts mention its a Hong Kong company!!!!!...and in the current US economic climate its not ALL bad to be in that corner!!
I like many of you all would be no where near Hong Kong if 911 and the economic decimation of our industry had not occured. We'd all likely be still at "AA/US/US etc etc" bidding half the month off, commuting first class across the country or up and down, saving thousands on costs each year, flying in a relaxed, "big picture" culture, looking forward to the sim as somewhere to brush up and learn (you get the picture)....
Suppose what I am trying to say is would you REALLY like to give up ALL the benefits at CX for the benefits of JS.....
It is hard to move on from the JS menatality but when faced with the CX response as too why we can't have js
OIC
cheers
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Free Flights
I'm based in Europe, based pilots live all over Europe. We are expected to turn up at our base on time and ready for duty, what an imposition.
Why don't we get free flights from wherever we want when we want?
Incredible eh! Spams!!
Why don't we get free flights from wherever we want when we want?
Incredible eh! Spams!!