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Ouch! the daggers are out now, which is exactly why the company has it made, because everybody has to pull together instead of squabbling with each other. Look mate, i am firmly in the same camp as you when it comes to management. They would take every last penny from you and work you 100 hours a month and still tell you that you are priviledged to be working for such a great company, if they could get away with it. As far as i am concerned they leave there uniform at the door when they step inside the office, because they are like nobody i fly with.
As for the subject of who earns what, yeah, i would love to have a 55% pay rise, do think i deserve it...definately. But as for the reason we earn more, well i think it's subjective. You will never convince me that flying is for anyone other than who wants to do it. As for landing the big jet/job, mate you just had hours and did a good interview, same as the rest of us. No room for anyone thinking otherwise. Cockpit's just to small. Cabin crew don't look confused, they just look disinterested when they walk in. Met a cabin crew member (male) at my previous, with 30% burns to their body sustained putting out a galley fire. Who deserves good pay?
As for the subject of who earns what, yeah, i would love to have a 55% pay rise, do think i deserve it...definately. But as for the reason we earn more, well i think it's subjective. You will never convince me that flying is for anyone other than who wants to do it. As for landing the big jet/job, mate you just had hours and did a good interview, same as the rest of us. No room for anyone thinking otherwise. Cockpit's just to small. Cabin crew don't look confused, they just look disinterested when they walk in. Met a cabin crew member (male) at my previous, with 30% burns to their body sustained putting out a galley fire. Who deserves good pay?
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I think where you miss the point is that pay generally reflects a level of education/training. Also ability/experience plays a role.
And you can never compare 8 weeks worth of cabin crew training to the amount of education most of us in the pointy end have.
I would love to see the newest recruit in the back who can hardly make coffee earn $50 000 a month - just like me. With the proviso that the CEO / MD and all management then also earn that. OK?
And you can never compare 8 weeks worth of cabin crew training to the amount of education most of us in the pointy end have.
I would love to see the newest recruit in the back who can hardly make coffee earn $50 000 a month - just like me. With the proviso that the CEO / MD and all management then also earn that. OK?
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Now your talking my language, one pay scale for all. Boy, talk about an ideal world eh? For the record. i'd love to be earning $50,000 a month!!!
Listen i don't want you to think i am knocking your personnal acheivements or anything like that, it's just that i have been an instructor (like the vast majority of us) and trained some very unlikely candidates who now have successful careers, in fact i know two ex cabin crew members who are pilots now with UK based airlines.
I fly because i didn't do very well at school, and it is one of the few jobs where you don't need a degree. My first job after instructing was on a 757 earning a decent whack.Result!! Fair or not, i ain't complaining, but i could have just as easily been cabin crew, just chose differently.
Listen i don't want you to think i am knocking your personnal acheivements or anything like that, it's just that i have been an instructor (like the vast majority of us) and trained some very unlikely candidates who now have successful careers, in fact i know two ex cabin crew members who are pilots now with UK based airlines.
I fly because i didn't do very well at school, and it is one of the few jobs where you don't need a degree. My first job after instructing was on a 757 earning a decent whack.Result!! Fair or not, i ain't complaining, but i could have just as easily been cabin crew, just chose differently.
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I applaud the spirit of your argument comrade, allow me to chuck my two roubles into the pool:
That last sentence is infallibly true. We all had to fulfill a certain standard to land the job. May I also suggest that it's fair to say that cabin crew don't have to learn about resolution of vectors for converging aircraft scenarios. They certainly have no requirement to identify the uses of a mercator vs. lambert's in order to plot the cart route during any part of their training. I have no doubt that a good percentage of our fellow cabin crew have above and beyond enough noodle to be able to do what we do. Unfortunately the fact remains that, to get where we're at, they have to fulfill those same requirements we did which are decidedly more academic, not to mention far lengthier in process. In my mind I subcribe to your quest for a utopian ideal....equality across the board for all. The only problem is (and this is where Marx and Engels got it really wrong)...we're all human. And we all have an innately biased sense of entitlement. If I had joined the same day as you, same fleet, same pay, and you were doing 24 sectors a month vs. my hypothetical 6, surely you would find that unfair? If not, then I'd say you've just about found your inner buddha.
Um, pretty sure it's confusion. Most of them look like this: 
not really this : 
But you're probably right, I'm not good at facial interpretation anyway.
p.s. Daggers are not my modus operandi, someone told me they're reserved for 3rd floor candidates. At my level...more likely to use a plastic spoon.
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But as for the reason we earn more, well i think it's subjective. You will never convince me that flying is for anyone other than who wants to do it. As for landing the big jet/job, mate you just had hours and did a good interview, same as the rest of us.
Cabin crew don't look confused, they just look disinterested when they walk in
not really this : But you're probably right, I'm not good at facial interpretation anyway.p.s. Daggers are not my modus operandi, someone told me they're reserved for 3rd floor candidates. At my level...more likely to use a plastic spoon.
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Hey Lite, Yep, you sum it up better than i do. Undoubtably there are things we know how to do that our lesser paid friends know what to do, but i must admit, i would struggle to plot the position of each BCF extinguisher on the aircraft. I agree that the process you and i and everybody else has been through has been a long one and arduous, but do i feel better qualified than the ISM or any crew member, not really, i wouldn't have the first idea about how to run the show back there, anymore than he/she would know our job. I think you seem like a pretty relaxed kind of guy, and i imagine a good laugh to fly with, but unfortunately there are a few of us who think they have acheived a god like status because they strap an airplane to their rear and go along for the ride. I think it's a shame. Give's the rest of us a bad rap!
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Made the wrong choice MATE, if you do really fly!
I fly because i didn't do very well at school, and it is one of the few jobs where you don't need a degree. My first job after instructing was on a 757 earning a decent whack.Result!! Fair or not, i ain't complaining, but i could have just as easily been cabin crew, just chose differently.
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Hey Dusty - Sorry I give the rest of you a bad rap cause I feel I have achieved more than a trolley dolley.
Just like Mullah I was REPEATEDLY told that I am in the best airline in the world and that I am therefore the cream of the crop and a member of the elite ( as opposed to some of my buddies that were not good enough for CX and are now EK captains )
Just like Mullah I was REPEATEDLY told that I am in the best airline in the world and that I am therefore the cream of the crop and a member of the elite ( as opposed to some of my buddies that were not good enough for CX and are now EK captains )
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Look boys, everybody is entitled to their opinions and that's just mine. I enjoy flying with 95% of the guys at CX, however there are the minority that think they are something pretty special and treat the whole thing a little to seriously for my liking. electricjetjock, i'm still here, flying, same as you mate, so i don't think i made the wrong career choice, been doing it for 11 years commercially. SIC, i'm not suggesting you personally have given the rest of us a bad rap, I'm just saying some guys do. I've flown with ex builders, policeman, even an ex-milkman, they did just fine. Flying pays me a wage and that's about it for me. For others it's more than that, fair enough. I don't care what job people do, they all get treated the same in my book. You boy's keep doing it your way, i'll do it mine.
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Hey Dusty - were just winding you up a bit. However don't make the mistake of undervaluing yourself and what you do. And if you do - don't tell the guys who pay you - they might just use it as an excuse for a paycut. Especially since there are guys as good and competent and educated as you and I who fly for US $ 1700 a month..... ( see willflyforfood - its sad )
