Hey Lite, Yep, you sum it up better than i do. Undoubtably there are things we know how to do that our lesser paid friends know what to do, but i must admit, i would struggle to plot the position of each BCF extinguisher on the aircraft. I agree that the process you and i and everybody else has been through has been a long one and arduous, but do i feel better qualified than the ISM or any crew member, not really, i wouldn't have the first idea about how to run the show back there, anymore than he/she would know our job. I think you seem like a pretty relaxed kind of guy, and i imagine a good laugh to fly with, but unfortunately there are a few of us who think they have acheived a god like status because they strap an airplane to their rear and go along for the ride. I think it's a shame. Give's the rest of us a bad rap!