Is there any HAPPY Pilots @ CX????
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6 months training before released – pure waste of money, that’s it! They should rather spend it for profit sharing.
This everlasting inferior complex of “second choice airlines”! Under all means they want to demonstrate that they are even smarter than major airlines, and that it was them who invented flying.
This is how it looks from the outside.
Good luck to those who leave this circus!
This everlasting inferior complex of “second choice airlines”! Under all means they want to demonstrate that they are even smarter than major airlines, and that it was them who invented flying.
This is how it looks from the outside.
Good luck to those who leave this circus!
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Help me
Hi everybody,
as in every company most people are happy to work for, other less, other again doesn't like anything........this is true life.
in the next weeks i'll probably invited for the F/O interview in EU?
Actually i'm on a md80 aircraft since 1999 and i have to wait about five years more for a left seat opportunity.total 12 yrs in the right seat
This the reason to try join CX.
Any suggestion for me?
Is a good opportunity?
Thanks
Giulio
as in every company most people are happy to work for, other less, other again doesn't like anything........this is true life.
in the next weeks i'll probably invited for the F/O interview in EU?
Actually i'm on a md80 aircraft since 1999 and i have to wait about five years more for a left seat opportunity.total 12 yrs in the right seat
This the reason to try join CX.
Any suggestion for me?
Is a good opportunity?
Thanks
Giulio
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I think hostile and mr buzzy should have their own talk show. Great show fellas.
If your unhappy, leave. If there are so many opportunities out there, no-one here should have any problem finding a new gig. It's not more complex. It's very simple. If you've got a rock in your shoe, how many people on the street would you tell about it? Just take it out.
As far as the CX situation, take the job. Never turn down down a combat assignment. If it doesn't work for you then move on. If it works, stay. Mr hostile promises you'll get a better job. Really truly!! Can we all have that in writing! How many times have I flown with the "I could have flown for XYZ" people. Sad sad individuals. The few people that do actually have the balls to leave. Good on you and good luck in your pursuits.
How do you spot a CX aircraft in a dark ramp area? You can hear the whinning after the engines have stopped. (oldy but goodie)
Get on with your OWN lives. Do productive things like.....oh i don't know....make 80+ posts on PPrune since joining in April2007.
I can almost see the resident vultures circling my post.
If your unhappy, leave. If there are so many opportunities out there, no-one here should have any problem finding a new gig. It's not more complex. It's very simple. If you've got a rock in your shoe, how many people on the street would you tell about it? Just take it out.
As far as the CX situation, take the job. Never turn down down a combat assignment. If it doesn't work for you then move on. If it works, stay. Mr hostile promises you'll get a better job. Really truly!! Can we all have that in writing! How many times have I flown with the "I could have flown for XYZ" people. Sad sad individuals. The few people that do actually have the balls to leave. Good on you and good luck in your pursuits.
How do you spot a CX aircraft in a dark ramp area? You can hear the whinning after the engines have stopped. (oldy but goodie)
Get on with your OWN lives. Do productive things like.....oh i don't know....make 80+ posts on PPrune since joining in April2007.
I can almost see the resident vultures circling my post.
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"Actually i'm on a md80 aircraft since 1999 and i have to wait about five years more for a left seat opportunity.total 12 yrs in the right seat"
about the same time you will spend in cx in the right hand seat - stay put unless you like being pecked to death or your pay is really crappy compared to the current cx offer
about the same time you will spend in cx in the right hand seat - stay put unless you like being pecked to death or your pay is really crappy compared to the current cx offer
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Make CX a place you'd be happy to stay.
I've read both positive and negative things about CX.
Gentlemen, the question I have about all the negativity is why are there no efforts being taken to address this training/checks and hostile atmosphere at Cathay? Regardless of any past or present friction between management and the pilot group what can and should be done before this issue becomes cancerous for Cathay? I am concerned because as pilots at CX you fly one of the best aircrafts in world and face it none of you got furloughed during the SARS outbreak or 911 attacks.
Can and should the training atmosphere and line checks improve at CX? Certainly! Are there efforts to truly promote CRM in the cockpit. It doesn't impress me that a captain can know how many rivets there are on a 747 but sets a tone in the cockpit that has me wanting the trip to end asap.
Management cannot continue to ignore the state of dissatisfaction among the pilot ranks even if it is a minority. Negativity unfortunately spreads faster than positivity. It doesn' take much to get more people dissatisfied with a company if that's where the focus of discusion is like on this post and in the bars.
I must agree that if one no longer enjoys working at CX then efforts should be made to move on or else try to at least enjoy the fact that one gets to fly the nicest aircraft in the world and travel and get paid doing it.
This post acts as a filter for the hiring gurus at CX. It scares so many prospective applicants that usually only those really interested to work at CX or are still curious about working here go ahead with the interview process. Let me encourage all the CX wannabes to never let what you read here determin your desire and passion to be a professional aviator at Cathay. Most of what really determines your quality of life and your outlook in life has to come from you and your peace with God. Give CX a try if you get offered the job. If you got the job be thankful and bear with the unpleasantries as much as you enjoy putting on that uniform and flying that sleek aircraft.
Management please address this issue. Pilots make it a place YOU are proud to be a part of.
Gentlemen, the question I have about all the negativity is why are there no efforts being taken to address this training/checks and hostile atmosphere at Cathay? Regardless of any past or present friction between management and the pilot group what can and should be done before this issue becomes cancerous for Cathay? I am concerned because as pilots at CX you fly one of the best aircrafts in world and face it none of you got furloughed during the SARS outbreak or 911 attacks.
Can and should the training atmosphere and line checks improve at CX? Certainly! Are there efforts to truly promote CRM in the cockpit. It doesn't impress me that a captain can know how many rivets there are on a 747 but sets a tone in the cockpit that has me wanting the trip to end asap.
Management cannot continue to ignore the state of dissatisfaction among the pilot ranks even if it is a minority. Negativity unfortunately spreads faster than positivity. It doesn' take much to get more people dissatisfied with a company if that's where the focus of discusion is like on this post and in the bars.
I must agree that if one no longer enjoys working at CX then efforts should be made to move on or else try to at least enjoy the fact that one gets to fly the nicest aircraft in the world and travel and get paid doing it.
This post acts as a filter for the hiring gurus at CX. It scares so many prospective applicants that usually only those really interested to work at CX or are still curious about working here go ahead with the interview process. Let me encourage all the CX wannabes to never let what you read here determin your desire and passion to be a professional aviator at Cathay. Most of what really determines your quality of life and your outlook in life has to come from you and your peace with God. Give CX a try if you get offered the job. If you got the job be thankful and bear with the unpleasantries as much as you enjoy putting on that uniform and flying that sleek aircraft.
Management please address this issue. Pilots make it a place YOU are proud to be a part of.
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Not trying to be negative but...
CX...good not great paying job and possibly good amount of time off depending on fleet but remember…CX as a company does NOT care one bit about your needs! If you have needs now or in the future, be prepared for little if any sympathy. They really don't care that your mother died or you have to appear in court for a divorce trial.
THIS IS AN EXPAT JOB NOT A HOME AIRLINE JOB.
If you can get over this, then you will do just fine!
CX...good not great paying job and possibly good amount of time off depending on fleet but remember…CX as a company does NOT care one bit about your needs! If you have needs now or in the future, be prepared for little if any sympathy. They really don't care that your mother died or you have to appear in court for a divorce trial.
THIS IS AN EXPAT JOB NOT A HOME AIRLINE JOB.
If you can get over this, then you will do just fine!
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CP..
I was told early on that sympathy is between sh!t and syphilis in the dictionary, if that helps those who may be looking for it.
I was told early on that sympathy is between sh!t and syphilis in the dictionary, if that helps those who may be looking for it.
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I was told early on that sympathy is between sh!t and syphilis in the dictionary, if that helps those who may be looking for it.
Save a buck today and spend thousands tomorrow is not a wise business plan!
This attitude is the NUMBER 1 reason people leave CX and people don’t join CX.
Management take note.
Addressing Our Needs
CPDude,
I feel you've opened a right can of worms this time.
I would guess the the one thing CX excells at is addressing the acute needs of the Flt Ops personnel. Let me give you a few examples...
A couple of years ago I was at LHR signing on for CX250 and my wife called to say our son had suddenly been taken very sick and was in hospital on a drip. I immediately called the duty manager to ask him to get me a flight back to Europe asap on my arrival in HKG (remember... only 90 mins to departure). He sent me home there and then. Need addressed!
Unfortunately I am (like many) in the middle of divorce... Needed a day off at short notice to go and talk to the nice judge. Day off granted by Chief Pilot. Need addressed!
In neither case did the company ask for the day back, in both cases it was followed by a call to see if all was OK.
So Mr Dude, don't get carried away with the malcontents. If you are unhappy, it will require a personal fix. Until you can organise that, keep up the good work!!!!
I feel you've opened a right can of worms this time.
I would guess the the one thing CX excells at is addressing the acute needs of the Flt Ops personnel. Let me give you a few examples...
A couple of years ago I was at LHR signing on for CX250 and my wife called to say our son had suddenly been taken very sick and was in hospital on a drip. I immediately called the duty manager to ask him to get me a flight back to Europe asap on my arrival in HKG (remember... only 90 mins to departure). He sent me home there and then. Need addressed!
Unfortunately I am (like many) in the middle of divorce... Needed a day off at short notice to go and talk to the nice judge. Day off granted by Chief Pilot. Need addressed!
In neither case did the company ask for the day back, in both cases it was followed by a call to see if all was OK.
So Mr Dude, don't get carried away with the malcontents. If you are unhappy, it will require a personal fix. Until you can organise that, keep up the good work!!!!
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Max
Sorry max can't share your same happy clappy outcomes. I have been in very similar circumstances to you and on both occasions I got in the sh!t. So I think you are either the son of a 3rd floor ass wipe or you are number 2 or 3 on the seniority list. You get nothin for nothin at CX mate.
Oh yeah, sorry nearly forgot my little condescending closing remark.
"Keep up the good work"
Oh yeah, sorry nearly forgot my little condescending closing remark.
"Keep up the good work"
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I actually agree with you 100%.
The tragedy is that most individuals would also agree but once discretion is penalised, the system destroys the very basic framework that makes it work.
I actually agree with you 100%.
The tragedy is that most individuals would also agree but once discretion is penalised, the system destroys the very basic framework that makes it work.
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Similar situation in that your wife wants to divorce you Hostile23? Not surprising given the bile you seem to have
Meh, sorry for the cheap shot, but your reply to Max Reheat, dismissing his anecdotes as "son of an asswipe" or senior, well, just goes to show
You get what you give, and you catch more flies with honey than vinegar everywhere. I am willing to bet Max Reheat is always polite and remembers to thank people - you know, like your mother taught you. People like to do favours for people like that. Note he didn't demand the days off, or take them without notice by going absent or sick, he asked and got more than was requested.
No doubt you will see this behaviour as "brown nosing". It isn't, it is just treating others as you want to be treated (reasonably, with courtesy, and with flexibility)
Meh, sorry for the cheap shot, but your reply to Max Reheat, dismissing his anecdotes as "son of an asswipe" or senior, well, just goes to show
You get what you give, and you catch more flies with honey than vinegar everywhere. I am willing to bet Max Reheat is always polite and remembers to thank people - you know, like your mother taught you. People like to do favours for people like that. Note he didn't demand the days off, or take them without notice by going absent or sick, he asked and got more than was requested.
No doubt you will see this behaviour as "brown nosing". It isn't, it is just treating others as you want to be treated (reasonably, with courtesy, and with flexibility)
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CX can be quite dichotomous in its dealings with employees. As a corporate culture, it is business like and uncaring. But on a personal level it is generally very good. Like Max Reheat I have had good experiences in the past.
But then how do your reconcile this with an organisation that fires 2 FOs for being in the grey area of housing policy?
But then how do your reconcile this with an organisation that fires 2 FOs for being in the grey area of housing policy?
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they were warned werent they???
Max Reheat,
I am glad that it worked out for you but I know for a fact that is not policy and it doesn't happen often on my side of the pond. Yes, the please and thankyou's have always been used but leave has always been robbed as well.
H23...grow up!
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Traffic,
forgot to say, your sympathy thing(between sh#t and syphilis)...brilliant;-) Hope I can quote you without paying copyright fees!
asianeagle...no!
It's a long story...simple version. A NTC came out. They sought clarification of their situation. They were squeaky clean at the time. Over the next few months 2 things happened...their situation changed which caused them to drift into a grey area(unintentionally)....and the CX position drifted to also include more of this grey area into the 'verboten' zone. Did they deserve to be fired? In my opinion, absolutely NOT. I am pretty cut and dried about things...if I had been in charge of their D+G, I would have made them pay back some money. Thats all.
I think CX wanted to make an example...as they did with the 49ers.
Like I said, CX can be incredibly uncaring and harsh as a corporation, but incredibly caring on an individual level. That is why you get such extreme and opposite posts on this website about them!
forgot to say, your sympathy thing(between sh#t and syphilis)...brilliant;-) Hope I can quote you without paying copyright fees!
asianeagle...no!
It's a long story...simple version. A NTC came out. They sought clarification of their situation. They were squeaky clean at the time. Over the next few months 2 things happened...their situation changed which caused them to drift into a grey area(unintentionally)....and the CX position drifted to also include more of this grey area into the 'verboten' zone. Did they deserve to be fired? In my opinion, absolutely NOT. I am pretty cut and dried about things...if I had been in charge of their D+G, I would have made them pay back some money. Thats all.
I think CX wanted to make an example...as they did with the 49ers.
Like I said, CX can be incredibly uncaring and harsh as a corporation, but incredibly caring on an individual level. That is why you get such extreme and opposite posts on this website about them!
cpdude
If I recall correctly it was via a notice to crew. Pretty much as Crunchero has said.
If you need to take compassionate leave because of a death in the family or you are under huge stress because of a divorce etc then you aren’t fit for work. This was told to me by someone in flight ops. Go see your doctor and get a certificate to say you are sick and unfit for work.
Warned how? With a personal letter or just a vague notice to crew or was it a groupwise memo? Could it have been missed or misunderstood? I really don't know how the warning was communicated...do you?
If you need to take compassionate leave because of a death in the family or you are under huge stress because of a divorce etc then you aren’t fit for work. This was told to me by someone in flight ops. Go see your doctor and get a certificate to say you are sick and unfit for work.
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I agree with you Titan and that is the policy I operate under these days. But, you shouldn't have to go that way and the company should be more considerate to the needs of the individual. This is how you create a harmonious environment at very little if any cost!
CX just hasn't figured this out yet but maybe soon they will. There is always hope!
CX just hasn't figured this out yet but maybe soon they will. There is always hope!