Is there any HAPPY Pilots @ CX????
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Is there any HAPPY Pilots @ CX????
Going for an inerview next month, but after reading what some of you guys have said, jumping off a very,very high building might be a better idea?
has any one got a good thing to say about CX
has any one got a good thing to say about CX
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Do a search here on PPRuNe and you will find a regular 50 or less CX pilots who post, for and against CX about fifty/fifty.
CX employs well over a thousand pilots so suggest you go with the silent majority and your own opinions gleaned from the experience of your interviews. Best of luck.
CX employs well over a thousand pilots so suggest you go with the silent majority and your own opinions gleaned from the experience of your interviews. Best of luck.
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Happy at Cathay??
ZS-LMI,
I started with the company recently, and in my opinion, PPRUNE is extremely heavily skewed towards the negative.
All of the senior Sim Instructors and Check and Trainers I've spoken to have generally said that although the pay and conditions have deteriorated since they joined (sometimes 20 years ago), they still believe CX is the best choice for new-joiners. It's a secure (relatively - compared with other airlines) job, with good progression (compared to other established widebody airlines) and good Pay and Conditions (especially for Hong Kong crew).
Like most things, you have to look at the balance which Cathay will provide your situation. Obviously, in the current environment, you can experience much faster progression and much higher pay with other emerging carriers on contract work (eg in India), but there are obviously job (and personal!) security payoffs. You can also live under crystal clear skies and have near zero stress flying a float plane out of the Maldives, but then the financial benefits aren't as good. It's all a tradeoff.
Some of the more negative and vocal posters on PPRUNE seem to be of the view that someone forced them to join Cathay. If you move to Hong Kong without being aware there's a pollution issue, you may want to re-evaluate the amount of research you are conducting prior to major life decisions!
Good luck with the upcoming decisions.
lmh
I started with the company recently, and in my opinion, PPRUNE is extremely heavily skewed towards the negative.
All of the senior Sim Instructors and Check and Trainers I've spoken to have generally said that although the pay and conditions have deteriorated since they joined (sometimes 20 years ago), they still believe CX is the best choice for new-joiners. It's a secure (relatively - compared with other airlines) job, with good progression (compared to other established widebody airlines) and good Pay and Conditions (especially for Hong Kong crew).
Like most things, you have to look at the balance which Cathay will provide your situation. Obviously, in the current environment, you can experience much faster progression and much higher pay with other emerging carriers on contract work (eg in India), but there are obviously job (and personal!) security payoffs. You can also live under crystal clear skies and have near zero stress flying a float plane out of the Maldives, but then the financial benefits aren't as good. It's all a tradeoff.
Some of the more negative and vocal posters on PPRUNE seem to be of the view that someone forced them to join Cathay. If you move to Hong Kong without being aware there's a pollution issue, you may want to re-evaluate the amount of research you are conducting prior to major life decisions!
Good luck with the upcoming decisions.
lmh
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If you are referring to me then I have to disagree with you. I knew noone at CX before joining, my decision was made on what BS the recruiting panel in particular had to say. All I can say is they present CX in a completely false light. I wasn't forced to come to CX, but I was lied to at the interview. Just beware of the bullsh!t, that's my advice. My time again, no way CX!
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Luvmuhud,
It is quite obvious that The Sim instructors and trainers you ve been talking to suffer from a severe case of "head in the sand syndrome" just like the rest of the CX / KA management.
The only positive contribution CX and KA make in aviation is one all of you not living and working in this shole should be grateful for:
THEY KEEP MOST OF THE DICKHEADS IN THIS INDUSTRY IN ONE PLACE.
Hostile23 good on ya mate!
It is quite obvious that The Sim instructors and trainers you ve been talking to suffer from a severe case of "head in the sand syndrome" just like the rest of the CX / KA management.
The only positive contribution CX and KA make in aviation is one all of you not living and working in this shole should be grateful for:
THEY KEEP MOST OF THE DICKHEADS IN THIS INDUSTRY IN ONE PLACE.
Hostile23 good on ya mate!
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Those working at a major should be thankful for what they have.
For every unhappy pilot at a major, i am sure there are 10 more that would jump at the opportunity to work at a major.
For every unhappy pilot at a major, i am sure there are 10 more that would jump at the opportunity to work at a major.
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And your point is efee? Are you saying that we should be thanking Cathay for the work we do? You obviously don't work for them? Maybe you're better off signing on with www.flyforfood.com!
Have some self respect. Without the guys at the majors looking after pay and conditions there are no "majors". Get with the program and remember we are professionals that deserve what we are paid. So no, sorry I don't share your "cap in hand" sentiment. People like you are the reason the industry is in such disarray.
Have some self respect. Without the guys at the majors looking after pay and conditions there are no "majors". Get with the program and remember we are professionals that deserve what we are paid. So no, sorry I don't share your "cap in hand" sentiment. People like you are the reason the industry is in such disarray.
It's funny how the constant moaning seems to come from a very vocal minority of pilots. All this nonsense about how 'my life was ruined by those pr!cks at CX' says more about the attitude of those doing the whining than it does about the company.
No, CX is not perfect, but there are over 2,000 pilots here these days and I dare say the vast majority are reasonably happy with their lot. I've been with CX for over 10 years and I've been very happy during my time here.
It's my very humble opinion that life is what you make of it. Make an effort to fit in, accept the fact that there's good and bad in any company and don't expect the world to offer you everything on a silver platter.
No, CX is not perfect, but there are over 2,000 pilots here these days and I dare say the vast majority are reasonably happy with their lot. I've been with CX for over 10 years and I've been very happy during my time here.
It's my very humble opinion that life is what you make of it. Make an effort to fit in, accept the fact that there's good and bad in any company and don't expect the world to offer you everything on a silver platter.
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I can tell you, pilots at all companies complain, but not like at cx, and there is a reason. Where there is smoke there is usually fire. TRUST ME, I have seen both sides of the fence. Take CX if it is all you have, but if FEDEX, UPS, or SWA come along don't even consider it for a minute!
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For those with limited or no experience or if CX/KA is all you can get go for it and at the very least get your free type rating.
For the ones with previous jet/command experience, unless making bunks and being treated like an idiot for the next 10 years is your sort of thing stay away from this circus.
Their antiquated tactics and approach to professional aviation (loosely used term as they have totally confused a--l with standards), may have been condoned 20-40 years ago but today there is no need to put up with this sort of crap. There are more than 200 jobs advertised on flightinternational.com.
Learn from our cock-ups and do not make the same mistake I made, it will be your worst career move ever.
For the ones with previous jet/command experience, unless making bunks and being treated like an idiot for the next 10 years is your sort of thing stay away from this circus.
Their antiquated tactics and approach to professional aviation (loosely used term as they have totally confused a--l with standards), may have been condoned 20-40 years ago but today there is no need to put up with this sort of crap. There are more than 200 jobs advertised on flightinternational.com.
Learn from our cock-ups and do not make the same mistake I made, it will be your worst career move ever.
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Good post. Possibly more than 50% of Hostile123's problem is that his wife is not happy in HKG.
Back in the sixties and seventies taking a job with a foreign based company was a big decision, becoming an expat, in other words. Probably no more than one trip home every six months, no 'phone calls unless an emergency, wife and children always accompanied you regardless and if you turned up at the interview expecting more your application would go no further. The rewards were the expat lifestyle, the money and often a standard of education for the kids that you could not have dreamed of if you had stayed at home.
From my personal experience overseas basings, (home basings really) and wives who refused to join husbands but expected them to 'commute' were the start of the rot, as the company immediately became divided and workmates became strangers, each with a different agenda. No surprise that Emirates, for example, don't forsee overseas basings and SIA are letting it die on the vine.
Possible one instance of going backwards would actually be an advantage, where only people really committed to an overseas job applied in the first place. Just my humble opinion, nearly forty years an expat.
Back in the sixties and seventies taking a job with a foreign based company was a big decision, becoming an expat, in other words. Probably no more than one trip home every six months, no 'phone calls unless an emergency, wife and children always accompanied you regardless and if you turned up at the interview expecting more your application would go no further. The rewards were the expat lifestyle, the money and often a standard of education for the kids that you could not have dreamed of if you had stayed at home.
From my personal experience overseas basings, (home basings really) and wives who refused to join husbands but expected them to 'commute' were the start of the rot, as the company immediately became divided and workmates became strangers, each with a different agenda. No surprise that Emirates, for example, don't forsee overseas basings and SIA are letting it die on the vine.
Possible one instance of going backwards would actually be an advantage, where only people really committed to an overseas job applied in the first place. Just my humble opinion, nearly forty years an expat.
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i agree with inciter.
i here a lot of guys complaining about cx, but they dont leave. well i had it and thats why im leaving. cx was veeeery different from what i expected.
dont just talk about cx in a negative way, make a descision and leave just like me. its going to be a relieve flying for a normal company again.
and i tell ya, there are nice jobs all over the place.
i here a lot of guys complaining about cx, but they dont leave. well i had it and thats why im leaving. cx was veeeery different from what i expected.
dont just talk about cx in a negative way, make a descision and leave just like me. its going to be a relieve flying for a normal company again.
and i tell ya, there are nice jobs all over the place.
if you talk negative and stay anyway than sh.t up, whats the point.
this is leaving for the first and last time..out
this is leaving for the first and last time..out
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This reward of an expat lifestyle that you talk about is the reason most people are leaving. It is not a true expat lifestyle. Trust me I grew up as an expat with both parents overseas; and living in Disgruntled Bay is not how I remember expat lifestyles to be. I dare say your 'humble 40 years' 
as an expat has all been in Hong Kong. Then sir I am sad to say you do not actually know what an expat lifestyle is.
as an expat has all been in Hong Kong. Then sir I am sad to say you do not actually know what an expat lifestyle is.