how Many are leaving ??
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Well said. They will learn that their arrogance is mis placed. I think they are in for a rude shock. I agree with the morale issue at Cathay. Basically the problem is there isn't any. They just don't realise it takes more than hosting a poxy carnival at the end of each year to keep the staff happy. I think the training dept should also shoulder some of the blame for the morale issues. They make life at CX miserable. It really is a miserable place to work. Oh, and before I get the barrage of "why don't you just leave", I'm trying trust me!!
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As online retail sales continues to climb, UPS, FEDEX and the Postal Service will have to deliver more and more packages. That is good news for drivers, pilots, airplane mechanics etc.
Home delivery has been on the rise and will continue to be driven by the need to save time.
This trend should continue until someone invents a Star Trek - like teleportation system or replicator system. So don't hold your breath, delivery services look very, very good for a long time to come.
So why are our wages falling in an emerging economy?
Home delivery has been on the rise and will continue to be driven by the need to save time.
This trend should continue until someone invents a Star Trek - like teleportation system or replicator system. So don't hold your breath, delivery services look very, very good for a long time to come.
So why are our wages falling in an emerging economy?
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Generally speaking, the reason is because of a declining yield due to increased competition. Look at CX's yield per ATK and you will see it is slightly down. In the US we use pattern bargaining. What does CX use to determine pilot wages, its own company's financial performance or patterns among the competitors?
Generally speaking, the reason is because of a declining yield due to increased competition. Look at CX's yield per ATK and you will see it is slightly down. In the US we use pattern bargaining. What does CX use to determine pilot wages, its own company's financial performance or patterns among the competitors?
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Tryhard,
Between you and me, I am not sure who is more bitter?
Really though, a flying job is hard to come by, let alone a good flying job. I am happy to see these folks able to move on to something better. Some of us left very good positions to come to Cathay thinking it was the final destination, and Cathay Pacific defnitely has the potential and I am sure at one point in time was the flying job! But sadly, the training environment and intimidation tactics have made it unbearable to put up with and many as someone else said; have "voted with their feet".
Good luck to them and the rest of us out there!
Kung Hey Fat Choy to all, may the fat pig bring us good fortune and more fours and fives on the ERAS reports.
Between you and me, I am not sure who is more bitter?
Really though, a flying job is hard to come by, let alone a good flying job. I am happy to see these folks able to move on to something better. Some of us left very good positions to come to Cathay thinking it was the final destination, and Cathay Pacific defnitely has the potential and I am sure at one point in time was the flying job! But sadly, the training environment and intimidation tactics have made it unbearable to put up with and many as someone else said; have "voted with their feet". Good luck to them and the rest of us out there!
Kung Hey Fat Choy to all, may the fat pig bring us good fortune and more fours and fives on the ERAS reports.
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Come on A/T, flying jobs aren't hard to come by. In fact you can basically write your own ticket these days, as long as you're no a complete twit! I do however agree with the "GOOD" statement. A good employer in hard to find! I think CX basically are the same as any low coster now. No conditions, apathetic mangement, poor career path in general. The glory days at Cathay are well and truly over. We in part have the A scalers to thank for that. Basically we keep signing our own death warrant every time we vote in these stupid elections. Until the pilot body has the bollocks to stand up and say enough is enough we really are no better off than the guys at Easyjet or Britannia. It really is sliding downhill fast.
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No one will ever stand up, it didn’t happen when the 49ers were fired.
The ones that try, the DFO will fire another round and everyone will fall into line.
You either vote with your feet or you stay and take what CX gives to you. They are the options.
The ones that try, the DFO will fire another round and everyone will fall into line.
You either vote with your feet or you stay and take what CX gives to you. They are the options.
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tryhard wrote:
We in part have the A scalers to thank for that. Basically we keep signing our own death warrant every time we vote in these stupid elections.
How did you work that out? Most of your 'guilty' A scalers left the AOA in disgust years ago. AOA members not only have themselves to blame but are responsible for effecting the lives of all aircrew in CX. Made your bed, then sleeep in it.
It is a bit of a paradox when the new joiners complain about the loss of conditions and then criticise the older fraternity from staying on. Are the newbies aware that the loss of conditions also effect the oldies as well. In some cases more than you think or perhaps want to think.
We in part have the A scalers to thank for that. Basically we keep signing our own death warrant every time we vote in these stupid elections.
How did you work that out? Most of your 'guilty' A scalers left the AOA in disgust years ago. AOA members not only have themselves to blame but are responsible for effecting the lives of all aircrew in CX. Made your bed, then sleeep in it.
It is a bit of a paradox when the new joiners complain about the loss of conditions and then criticise the older fraternity from staying on. Are the newbies aware that the loss of conditions also effect the oldies as well. In some cases more than you think or perhaps want to think.
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Economies of scale 7ff. You earn 3 times as much as I do for doing the same job. What do you care if they cut medical or housing. The effect on your disposable income is negligible. Just reach into the pocket and fish out the hundreds, or downsize the apartment to 4000 sq feet! Want a holiday? Dip into the travel fund that doesn't exist for us B Grade citizens and have a free weekend in Phuket. What you oldies need to realise is that B scale conditions are barely adequate. We are the ones who suffer with the slash and burn mentality. I'm sorry but if you are an A scaler I don't pity you one bit. You've had it easy for far too long. No Breitling watches here mate.
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"The consequence of a global economy is really very simple. If the world operates as one big market, every employee will compete with every person anywhere in the world who is capable of doing the same job. There are a lot of people out there, and many of them are very hungry." Andy Grove, Intel. You may not agree, but it has much truth behind it. Already many of the young Cathay/ Swire managers are from the Mainland
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That's a miles better package than Cathay, I'll be streets ahead there. Better get in before the stampede starts...................................When I hear CX referred to as a LCC I think people need to get out more often.
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Albatross, I'd gladly give this job away for Oasis. The BS at CX, with constant bickering, no morale, endless crap from the trainers makes me want to do myself in.. I'd gladly give away a few dollars to be rid of these overbearing bunch of white collar thugs.......
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Why people leave
Greetings fellow aviatiors. I quit and left, and this is my first return to this site, mainly out of curiousity for the rumours that more are leaving. Here is the shortlist...
1-Rotten corporate culture, with intimidation and fear the only way managment knows how to operate.
2-Training is not objectionate. Sim and PC grades vary wildly depending on which sky god is doing the grading, and how bitter and twisted that individual might be.
3-Pay is not good enough to live in Hong Kong, and the taxes are a major inconvenience. It looks good on paper, but it is hard to save in that job.
Now is a an excellent time to venture out to another company. Life is too short to cling to the hope that things will get better there. They won't. It is rotten from the top down. Get your wife family on your side, and get out there and start looking! Good things will happen. Life is too short.
I got the 800 pound gorilla off my back. I know you want to do it too!!!
1-Rotten corporate culture, with intimidation and fear the only way managment knows how to operate.
2-Training is not objectionate. Sim and PC grades vary wildly depending on which sky god is doing the grading, and how bitter and twisted that individual might be.
3-Pay is not good enough to live in Hong Kong, and the taxes are a major inconvenience. It looks good on paper, but it is hard to save in that job.
Now is a an excellent time to venture out to another company. Life is too short to cling to the hope that things will get better there. They won't. It is rotten from the top down. Get your wife family on your side, and get out there and start looking! Good things will happen. Life is too short.
I got the 800 pound gorilla off my back. I know you want to do it too!!!
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Albatross, I'd gladly give this job away for Oasis. The BS at CX, with constant bickering, no morale, endless crap from the trainers makes me want to do myself in.. I'd gladly give away a few dollars to be rid of these overbearing bunch of white collar thugs.......
Oasis doesn't hire S/O's!