how Many are leaving ??
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Yeh and he thinks it will all be OK in Virgin Blue. Same BS as he puts it, different airline. Just ask any of the drivers down there at the moment about rosters, pay and conditions, crap EBA negotiations and the number of nights away from home each month. All this and on a short hall roster for considerably less money and you have to pay to get the job. CX may have its bad points but it always makes me laugh those that think the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. “News flash”. It isn’t.
Yeh and he thinks it will all be OK in Virgin Blue. Same BS as he puts it, different airline. Just ask any of the drivers down there at the moment about rosters, pay and conditions, crap EBA negotiations and the number of nights away from home each month. All this and on a short hall roster for considerably less money and you have to pay to get the job. CX may have its bad points but it always makes me laugh those that think the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. “News flash”. It isn’t.
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"Oasis Doesn't Hire S/O's" That is a typcial arrogant, condescending attitude of a CX trainier who has no respect for fellow pilots.
...and for the record, neither should CX! All new-hires should be JFO's.
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Well said BADRT. I see someone else has rediscovered their bollocks!! There are some that talk about it and some that do. I've made my decision to resign. I'm obviously not going to make myself a target and say when but I'm out......very soon.
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Try hard,
good luck in your new employment. As you will no longer have anything relevant to say on the fragrant harbour forum, please endow other forums with your intellectually insightful quips.
good luck in your new employment. As you will no longer have anything relevant to say on the fragrant harbour forum, please endow other forums with your intellectually insightful quips.
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Just out of interest CAN-NOT what were your reasons for leaving CX as a S/O??
And for the others who are not enjoying their jobs at CX,what operators (if any) do you believe provide their pilots with the best lifestyle/pay??
Only asking out of interest. I drive props and would only make a 5th of what some of you make, but have a good lifestyle.
Cheers.
And for the others who are not enjoying their jobs at CX,what operators (if any) do you believe provide their pilots with the best lifestyle/pay??
Only asking out of interest. I drive props and would only make a 5th of what some of you make, but have a good lifestyle.
Cheers.
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Hear hear Numero, bear in mind the title of the thread, the Fragrant Harbour Forum according to you is for exclusive use of current CX drivers only then? At least Nullaman and Co. are making some valid points, chuckles included.
How dare you BADRT post here then, you don’t by any chance mean IR when you talk about the 800 pound gorilla?
How dare you BADRT post here then, you don’t by any chance mean IR when you talk about the 800 pound gorilla?
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IR is one of the many pains in the A
Things i don't miss about CX....
the "Sky Gods"
Inland Revenue
Condescending, arrogant behavior from company yes men.
The ridiculous ERAS system.
The gay bar.
No control of your schedule.
Happy to be out. I only return to this forum to encourage those of you who are still there to grow a set and get the heck out.
the "Sky Gods"
Inland Revenue
Condescending, arrogant behavior from company yes men.
The ridiculous ERAS system.
The gay bar.
No control of your schedule.
Happy to be out. I only return to this forum to encourage those of you who are still there to grow a set and get the heck out.
FCUX
Maybe NC’s comments were justified in that every time we tried to have a debate with tryhard he would just abuse us instead of debating his gripes. It might have some reason why he has been banned by the moderator don't you think?
Maybe NC’s comments were justified in that every time we tried to have a debate with tryhard he would just abuse us instead of debating his gripes. It might have some reason why he has been banned by the moderator don't you think?
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Horsefun,
I lasted at CX only 1.5 years...here are some of the reasons why:
Tried to take F/O slot on freighter and was told no one could go on the freighters as F/O until they finished year one as S/O..then an ex-RAAF guy getting his F/O freighter who has less time in the company than me. (the point here is lack of seniority and perpetual lies and favoritism)
The non-stop sim checks with a very critical grading system where your whole future is based on. (about every six weeks)
Arrogant managers who think Cathay invented aviation (no, they truly think that, not an exaggeration).
Lack of flying, and having to deal with egos from people who were hired at CX as 500-hour wonders. (they're there and they're captains! not talking about Cadets either)
Upgrades to F/O going on 4 years. S/O pay maxes out at 5,000USD/mo. after year 3. I expect to make more than 5,000USD/mo. after 4 years with a company. heck, I made more than that as regional airline pilot.
Too many hoops to jump through to just basically keep your job (upgrade interviews, review boards, bla bla bla).
Staff travel, CX rapes the employees in this department.
But on a bright note, I got to fly (actually only worked the radios) a "shiny" 747-400 while not thinking much about medical benefits and retirements.
I give it 2 days before the Cathay Pprune gods ban me from here...
Shoot me a private message if you have more questions.
good luck to you if you're trying to go there, it's a great place to get some "heavy, international" and go somewhere real.
What I enjoyed the most about Cathay Pacific was that most of the guys I flew with on the line were real nice. I will miss that.
bye bye
I lasted at CX only 1.5 years...here are some of the reasons why:
Tried to take F/O slot on freighter and was told no one could go on the freighters as F/O until they finished year one as S/O..then an ex-RAAF guy getting his F/O freighter who has less time in the company than me. (the point here is lack of seniority and perpetual lies and favoritism)
The non-stop sim checks with a very critical grading system where your whole future is based on. (about every six weeks)
Arrogant managers who think Cathay invented aviation (no, they truly think that, not an exaggeration).
Lack of flying, and having to deal with egos from people who were hired at CX as 500-hour wonders. (they're there and they're captains! not talking about Cadets either)
Upgrades to F/O going on 4 years. S/O pay maxes out at 5,000USD/mo. after year 3. I expect to make more than 5,000USD/mo. after 4 years with a company. heck, I made more than that as regional airline pilot.
Too many hoops to jump through to just basically keep your job (upgrade interviews, review boards, bla bla bla).
Staff travel, CX rapes the employees in this department.
But on a bright note, I got to fly (actually only worked the radios) a "shiny" 747-400 while not thinking much about medical benefits and retirements.
I give it 2 days before the Cathay Pprune gods ban me from here...
Shoot me a private message if you have more questions.
good luck to you if you're trying to go there, it's a great place to get some "heavy, international" and go somewhere real.
What I enjoyed the most about Cathay Pacific was that most of the guys I flew with on the line were real nice. I will miss that.
bye bye
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I don't fly for CX but I'm surely hoping you'll welcome me into the forum...
I've dreamed of flying for CX for a very long time...
I've also always known that regular sim checks are in the norm and can be very strenuous - but are they really that hard? I mean... if you've learned the work... isn't the 'Tune you hum' always the same whenever they pull an abnormal-ops on you?
A friend of mine is a recently appointed captain in CX and chose an Adelaide basing. He couldn't be happier (10 years from hired to Captain status).
I've dreamed of flying for CX for a very long time...
I've also always known that regular sim checks are in the norm and can be very strenuous - but are they really that hard? I mean... if you've learned the work... isn't the 'Tune you hum' always the same whenever they pull an abnormal-ops on you?
A friend of mine is a recently appointed captain in CX and chose an Adelaide basing. He couldn't be happier (10 years from hired to Captain status).
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makes me laugh those that think the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. “News flash”. It isn’t.
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CAN-NOT,
Every person is entitled to their opinion & CX is not for everybody.
Out of interest what background had you come from prior to CX? Was it cadet, GA, military, regional or airline?
Where have you ended up & found that the grass is greener?
Happy to hear that things are better for you now.
Every person is entitled to their opinion & CX is not for everybody.
Out of interest what background had you come from prior to CX? Was it cadet, GA, military, regional or airline?
Where have you ended up & found that the grass is greener?
Happy to hear that things are better for you now.
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FCUX,
you misunderstood me. I dont give a sh*t whether tryhard sees things the CX way. I think he is an idiot cause he cant see any way? He is clueless. Do you have any actual non-pilot friends? Talk to them about their careers. First thing you will notice is that they have to be very PC about their jobs. Then as you get to know them they start telling you how many problems they have in their jobs. So it seems not much job satisfaction in the mordern high achievement world of expats.
But for an even better laugh, talk to your friends that leave CX for other airlines...they all regret it, some come back. What is funnier is seeing them jump from Nat Jet to QF, QF to EK or DJ to KA, EK to Asiana, Asiana to Nat Jet etc. Wow, things must be really bad in those airlines. WOnder which one try hard thinks is great to join!?
Face it, work is a four letter word. Flying is an easier job/lifestyle than most professions. All airlines have pros and cons. If you dont like it here, go find greener grass. Just dont piss back over the fence onto my grass...I am happy with its greeness ;-)
you misunderstood me. I dont give a sh*t whether tryhard sees things the CX way. I think he is an idiot cause he cant see any way? He is clueless. Do you have any actual non-pilot friends? Talk to them about their careers. First thing you will notice is that they have to be very PC about their jobs. Then as you get to know them they start telling you how many problems they have in their jobs. So it seems not much job satisfaction in the mordern high achievement world of expats.
But for an even better laugh, talk to your friends that leave CX for other airlines...they all regret it, some come back. What is funnier is seeing them jump from Nat Jet to QF, QF to EK or DJ to KA, EK to Asiana, Asiana to Nat Jet etc. Wow, things must be really bad in those airlines. WOnder which one try hard thinks is great to join!?
Face it, work is a four letter word. Flying is an easier job/lifestyle than most professions. All airlines have pros and cons. If you dont like it here, go find greener grass. Just dont piss back over the fence onto my grass...I am happy with its greeness ;-)
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The grass is greener on the other side - very often. Im fortunate enough to have worked for another very good company pre- Cathay. An airline bigger - and better - than Cathay.
Correct. There are pros and cons in any airline. As far as Im concerned Cathay is all about lifestile - whether you live in Hong Kong or on a basing (working 12-14 days a month).
If you dont fancy feeling the management breath down your neck and stringt outdated British management style (that simply doesnt belong anywhere in aviation!) you are better off going somewhere else. This is a "know it all better" airline.
If fancy flying and having fun flying - you are better off choosing another airline - if you are priviledged enough to have that as an option.
Good luck in you choices.
Y
Correct. There are pros and cons in any airline. As far as Im concerned Cathay is all about lifestile - whether you live in Hong Kong or on a basing (working 12-14 days a month).
If you dont fancy feeling the management breath down your neck and stringt outdated British management style (that simply doesnt belong anywhere in aviation!) you are better off going somewhere else. This is a "know it all better" airline.
If fancy flying and having fun flying - you are better off choosing another airline - if you are priviledged enough to have that as an option.
Good luck in you choices.
Y