CR Airways getting 737/787's!!
Re: CR Airways getting 737/787's!!
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Most companies in the region (not all) are after experienced drivers to fill the ranks of their expansion plans. I note from your profile that you are still relatively inexperienced and this is probably the reason why you haven’t yet had an offer for an interview. Almost all the airlines on the mainland are after pilots. Most are finding it very difficult to get them. The biggest reason is what they want and what they are offering isn’t competitive. Economics 101.
Most companies in the region (not all) are after experienced drivers to fill the ranks of their expansion plans. I note from your profile that you are still relatively inexperienced and this is probably the reason why you haven’t yet had an offer for an interview. Almost all the airlines on the mainland are after pilots. Most are finding it very difficult to get them. The biggest reason is what they want and what they are offering isn’t competitive. Economics 101.
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Re: CR Airways getting 737/787's!!
Wow, CR Airways getting also 787, Dreamliner !!!
I will not hesitate change my final goal from cathay to CR, if I can be a flight deck crew of Dreamliner!
Go CR Go!
I will not hesitate change my final goal from cathay to CR, if I can be a flight deck crew of Dreamliner!
Go CR Go!
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Re: CR Airways getting 737/787's!!
WOW Settle!
I for one have real doubt and reservation about the governmant of Hong Kong approving all of this. After all, Hainan is a mainland carrier. Also, it is not looking well for CR offering a competitive renumeration package. It is hard for some at the top of CR to understand that if they want to recruit experienced employees they have to PAY!!! There are a lot of CVs but as you would guess, mostly F/O standard (low time). Play safe and apply to a real airline, later on if... and thats a big if, CR gets their s..t together then apply. As for the 787, well the 737 are not here yet so settle down.
I am thinking real hard about leaving personaly. I will give it a few more months, but if nothings changes.....im gone.
Cheers
I for one have real doubt and reservation about the governmant of Hong Kong approving all of this. After all, Hainan is a mainland carrier. Also, it is not looking well for CR offering a competitive renumeration package. It is hard for some at the top of CR to understand that if they want to recruit experienced employees they have to PAY!!! There are a lot of CVs but as you would guess, mostly F/O standard (low time). Play safe and apply to a real airline, later on if... and thats a big if, CR gets their s..t together then apply. As for the 787, well the 737 are not here yet so settle down.
I am thinking real hard about leaving personaly. I will give it a few more months, but if nothings changes.....im gone.
Cheers
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Re: CR Airways getting 737/787's!!
According to "Deep Throat" they have been inundated with CV's, as you can imagine, mostly of the "hit and hope" variety. Lots of Type Rated guys with 300 hours, but as the ad said, the minimums are 1500, but going thru the stack in order to not miss anyone takes time. I hear it will probably be a week or two before emails go out informing the initial group of pilots about interviews. The plan was to contact everyone, but the group of pilots with way less than the minimums is so large that will probably not be possible.
Patience is the key my friends, more from Deep Throat as it happens........
Patience is the key my friends, more from Deep Throat as it happens........
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It will be a slow painfull process getting all of the pieces of the puzzle called "expansion" to fit. So for all of you seriously interested, have some patience. The initial A/C's will be on wet-lease (max 1 year by HK law). So don't expect the phone to ring to soon. As long as the ownership issues between Hainan and CR are ironed out and approved by the HK Government, there is reason to expect the expansion will be successfull.
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Rainbow Jet CL 604!
Hi there Hickory Stick, do you fly the CL604 as well? Just saw it here in Ngurah Rai the other day and wondered whether you guys also do the corporate side with Rainbow Jet as well! I am visiting your parts in March and would like to take a peek and say gadday. What are the chances of speaking with someone there to follow up on my application and get a look at the operation?
The CRJ 700 is a great looking machine, do they intend to expand with these as well or are they going to be superseded by the 73's and 787's?
Any info is greatly appreciated!
The CRJ 700 is a great looking machine, do they intend to expand with these as well or are they going to be superseded by the 73's and 787's?
Any info is greatly appreciated!
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The owner of CR Airways has some kind of interst stake in Rainbow. No I do not fly the CL604, CR and Rainbow do not share crews. As for coming down? Sure come to the head office and ask to speak with the DFO or CP. Good luck on your application. As for the CRJ future? Well, I would suspect that they will be gone soon, makes no sense to operate the CRJ when you have 737s.
Anyway, as for the salary package? No one knows yet if its going up or down.
Cheers
Anyway, as for the salary package? No one knows yet if its going up or down.
Cheers
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I doubt if the package could go down. Not if they are serious about getting the right experience levels, to ensure smooth start up and expansion.
Experienced NG drivers are in demand at the moment. India, the Far East and soon, China.
Experienced NG drivers are in demand at the moment. India, the Far East and soon, China.
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Follow the Follow Me Car. Too funny! Guess you have to be there to understand. Anyway, I agree with you. I hope the package will go up, but I suspect it won't be anytime soon. It will probably be the same old same old, negotiate your own package based on your flying experience.
Anyway, if that is the case, that will be disasterous! Sooner or later employees will be pissed being paid different wages for the same job.
For those who get interviews, report what you are being offered. We will let you know if it is ballpark or not. Recent reports are that they offer HKD 36000 F/O, HKD 48000 Capt. per month. No there is nothing else. No housing, education ect. Lets hope it changes.
Cheers
Anyway, if that is the case, that will be disasterous! Sooner or later employees will be pissed being paid different wages for the same job.
For those who get interviews, report what you are being offered. We will let you know if it is ballpark or not. Recent reports are that they offer HKD 36000 F/O, HKD 48000 Capt. per month. No there is nothing else. No housing, education ect. Lets hope it changes.
Cheers
So around 6K US for a 737 Captain. Sheesh! That's less than I take home in Britain!! It's also about half what you can earn in Japan which is, IMHO, a nicer place to live.
They won't get may experienced pilots knocking down their door at those rates. I get the feeling the Mainland Chinese have a bit to learn about market driven economics!
They won't get may experienced pilots knocking down their door at those rates. I get the feeling the Mainland Chinese have a bit to learn about market driven economics!
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Follow the follow me:
I am afraid Hickory Stick is right. CR Airways upper management favorite past-time is international Pilot fishing! (2nd favorite past time is Limbo dancing! Read: How low can you go!).
Equipment required:
1 Deep sea rod per participant
1 Long line (capable of min. 250lbs) each
1 Big bate pale with bate size ranging from very large to extremely small for each participant
Rules: You start off fishing all over the map with larger bait, then keep reducing the bait size until the targeted catch stop biting. The one that catches the most experiensed pilot with the smallest bait has won!
I would like to point out that there is a great bunch of guys and gals working there and some really good people in middle management. Not a bad gig for a single guy. Probably a little unstable and tight monitarily speaking for someone trying to support a family on the current FO package!
I am afraid Hickory Stick is right. CR Airways upper management favorite past-time is international Pilot fishing! (2nd favorite past time is Limbo dancing! Read: How low can you go!).
Equipment required:
1 Deep sea rod per participant
1 Long line (capable of min. 250lbs) each
1 Big bate pale with bate size ranging from very large to extremely small for each participant
Rules: You start off fishing all over the map with larger bait, then keep reducing the bait size until the targeted catch stop biting. The one that catches the most experiensed pilot with the smallest bait has won!
I would like to point out that there is a great bunch of guys and gals working there and some really good people in middle management. Not a bad gig for a single guy. Probably a little unstable and tight monitarily speaking for someone trying to support a family on the current FO package!
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Only a wet lease, no big deal!
Now a dry lease, that will be interesting when it happens. Finding pilots that will stick around under the present contracts, that will be priceless. My bet, lots will come and lots will leave. Things are not moving in the right direction for the working environment. My advice, think real hard before you sign.
Cheers
Now a dry lease, that will be interesting when it happens. Finding pilots that will stick around under the present contracts, that will be priceless. My bet, lots will come and lots will leave. Things are not moving in the right direction for the working environment. My advice, think real hard before you sign.
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Yep they need to pay more money to get the people to stay.....its time for for KC Purple Rinse to call it a day. My advice would be join the co get the rating, get some hours (at least 500 ) then the world is your oyster. To hire Captains TRI/TRE they are going to have pay some serious money. They will be looking at 10000 US a month at least, especially the quality the CAD expects.
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I think they will get the training staff. From what I gather training pilots are paid well. I am guessing there are experienced 737 expats flying in third world countries that would jump at the oppurtunity. What will be really interesting, is to see how many guys or girls will go for the current FO package. I am am referring to the very attractive features, such as no pay until check to line is completed (you are looking at about 4 months from start of training until you CASH YOUR FIRST CHECK(no autopay)).............or the part about paying for your own hotel and transportation during training
(reimbursed if you pass the course).
(reimbursed if you pass the course).