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Davyday
Please think before you post. I don't know what axe you have to grind against aviance but unfortunately, some poor soul might just believe the rubbish you are posting on here. Remember, these are people's jobs and livelyhoods you are casting into doubt.
Would aviance cease their ground handling following the aquisition of BA in Scotland ? No, because BA would'nt allow it and no doubt take aviance to court for breach of contract, plus it would put into jeopardy any future business between the two companies.
Please think before you post. I don't know what axe you have to grind against aviance but unfortunately, some poor soul might just believe the rubbish you are posting on here. Remember, these are people's jobs and livelyhoods you are casting into doubt.
Would aviance cease their ground handling following the aquisition of BA in Scotland ? No, because BA would'nt allow it and no doubt take aviance to court for breach of contract, plus it would put into jeopardy any future business between the two companies.
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Northern Hero,
I agree with your sentiments in your first paragraph however, I think you are being naive with regards to the contractual situation with BA.
I sincerely hope that Aviance's future is secure in Scotland and elsewhere outside the current announcement but do not, for one minute, think that a multiple year contract is valued at any more than the termination period clauses available to both parties.
Aviance have a good presence in Scotland but profit is the driver and this will, I beleive, be the decider.
and no-one should minimise the effect it has on individualks.
I hope all the staff affected at LGW find alternative employment in whatever capacity they seek. Losing your job is never a light hearted matter.
GH
I agree with your sentiments in your first paragraph however, I think you are being naive with regards to the contractual situation with BA.
I sincerely hope that Aviance's future is secure in Scotland and elsewhere outside the current announcement but do not, for one minute, think that a multiple year contract is valued at any more than the termination period clauses available to both parties.
Aviance have a good presence in Scotland but profit is the driver and this will, I beleive, be the decider.
and no-one should minimise the effect it has on individualks.
I hope all the staff affected at LGW find alternative employment in whatever capacity they seek. Losing your job is never a light hearted matter.
GH
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Iam sure both BA and Aviance have 'exit clauses' in their contract, in the event things go wrong - whatever thay may be...
Aviance, (THE GOAHEAD GROUP) will not tolerate losses - where ever they are incurred, as we have now seen with the LGW base closure - A major player in the Aviance newtork of airports.
OK, there are a 'few' airports where Aviance do make money, but can a few airports justify the running of all the other airports and the associated costs?
Interesting times ahead for all.
BA will find another handling agent IF Aviance decide to close airport bases where BA are handled. Its not really a big deal. Its been proven this past year that handling agents (whoever they are) can provide an equal - if not better service than staff from within BA so changing wont be such a big issue...
(Changing initially from BA Staff to a handling agent was a task but things have settled down and are working well)
Take nothing for granted!
Aviance, (THE GOAHEAD GROUP) will not tolerate losses - where ever they are incurred, as we have now seen with the LGW base closure - A major player in the Aviance newtork of airports.
OK, there are a 'few' airports where Aviance do make money, but can a few airports justify the running of all the other airports and the associated costs?
Interesting times ahead for all.
BA will find another handling agent IF Aviance decide to close airport bases where BA are handled. Its not really a big deal. Its been proven this past year that handling agents (whoever they are) can provide an equal - if not better service than staff from within BA so changing wont be such a big issue...
(Changing initially from BA Staff to a handling agent was a task but things have settled down and are working well)
Take nothing for granted!
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Davyday
Unfortunately Mr Davyday is a sad ass Pilot whose wife was affected by aviance's job losses at another station, therefore his Axe is a hateful on. LGW going is a shock to all aviance bases & thier loss will be mourned however they lost large amounts of cash last year & were forecast to lose even more this year, so it was always on the cards. aviance are trying to safeguard the other bases by getting rid of a losing station, dont be suprised if 1st point (known to all as No Point) also disapears.
Hope those at LGW find jobs still within the industry as it does get under your skin.
Bruppy
Hope those at LGW find jobs still within the industry as it does get under your skin.
Bruppy
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Truth Hurts
Well call me what you must,The truth hurts.
They have closed Teeside,downsized MAN and are panicking to keep afloat till year end .
You red it here first.
My wife also flys..thank you and has never worked for aviance or any ourther handling company.
Aviance have never made a profit since taking the BMI deal over 7/8 years ago and the Go ahead business will not let it continue.
these are facts!
They have closed Teeside,downsized MAN and are panicking to keep afloat till year end .
You red it here first.
My wife also flys..thank you and has never worked for aviance or any ourther handling company.
Aviance have never made a profit since taking the BMI deal over 7/8 years ago and the Go ahead business will not let it continue.
these are facts!
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LGW
Its a pity to see LGW go. I was lucky enough to work at GH for 9 years this included the demise of Laker. GH was a good team that handled 70% of airlines at LGW and virtually all November reg carriers. To parapharse Victor Kiam Delta where so impressed they bought the company well a quarter.
Hope all my old friends still there get jobs asap.
Xtypeman
Also nown as the infamous N
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Hope all my old friends still there get jobs asap.
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Not quite sure what you mean there tally ho, perhaps some punctuation might help ! . On a side note, here at Manchester, we were introduced to our new "Change Director" yesterday - even she didn't know what her job remit was exactly !! , oh, and she has no previous aviation experience either ! - just what we need I guess. 
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Tally ho old chap... Yes, just keep going and forget to come back...
Aviance in the regions had an enormous task in taking over from BA last year. Minimal notice given, blurred agreements on various issues and more work than BA ever did is now being done, for shed loads LESS money - FACT
Put that into context when BA and their sister BACityflyer, cant even run their own operation, nevermind advise the Aviance regions of changes, cancellations or delays to the daily schedule, then any wonder why some of the Aviance staff seem ever so slightly hacked off...
Aviance are a handling agent, who offer services to various airlines. They do a bloody good job with limited staff, experience and cash.
Pitty BAs image is fading fast and the competition is overtaking them at a very fast rate of knots...
Next time you are in London town, transiting through LHR, look around and see what the BA staff are doing, if anything at all, in their new home...
Aviance in the regions had an enormous task in taking over from BA last year. Minimal notice given, blurred agreements on various issues and more work than BA ever did is now being done, for shed loads LESS money - FACT
Put that into context when BA and their sister BACityflyer, cant even run their own operation, nevermind advise the Aviance regions of changes, cancellations or delays to the daily schedule, then any wonder why some of the Aviance staff seem ever so slightly hacked off...
Aviance are a handling agent, who offer services to various airlines. They do a bloody good job with limited staff, experience and cash.
Pitty BAs image is fading fast and the competition is overtaking them at a very fast rate of knots...
Next time you are in London town, transiting through LHR, look around and see what the BA staff are doing, if anything at all, in their new home...
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Aviance - BA
Spot on Tristar500, from day 1, the transiting BA crews were commenting what a difference Aviance have made over the previous BA own staff - for the better !! , now, BA's management here at Manchester have finally admitted to us at least that our performance is far far superior to anything they them selves ever achieved.
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Having read The96er's comments,I feel compelled to make my first posting.Having worked for BA for 32 years at MAN before being shafted by WW I can honestly say that nothing matched the committment and professionalism of the BA staff on the ground at MAN.Whilst I know for a fact that the standards offered by Aviance over the last 12 months since taking over the handling contract have improved,they are still not a patch on the quality of service previously supplied by BA's own people.
I know the BA management team at MAN personally and what you claim they have said is utter b*****ks.
I know the BA management team at MAN personally and what you claim they have said is utter b*****ks.
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Redcap49 - I'm only passing on what I've been told from said management and I no doubt you believe you ex-BA lot were a professional bunch of guys and gals, but the fact remains that apart from a few teething problems at the beginning ( with very little training ), Aviance's performance at turning an aircraft around is superior when compared to when BA had their own staff and for far less cost, plus, when you hear comments from the flightdeck crew along the lines off "It used to be a race to see how slow the dispatchers could get to the aircraft" amongst other similar comments, then I begin to question your statement regarding quality of service.
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I managed to rack up 10 years with BA and yes, we were all professional until the very last day, but I do think BA have imposed such impossible tasks in the regions, all of which we never had to follow through whilst at BA ie doors closed policy, TRC walkaround checks etc etc... At BA if we took a delay then... we erm... took a delay. Now, its all hell to pay for for as little as 1 minute! Targets constantly. If its not doors closed, its excess baggage or self-service or some other new fancy target that suddenly appeares in the 'ever expanding and mysteriously never-ending ''Service Level Agreement'' document'...
BA starved the regions over the past 5 years or so. NO investment, and NO second look. LHR was the B all and end all.
MAN may well have run like a Swiss watch, but let me tell you that, from experience a certain station north of the border did not, due to inept management and total lack of directional control, which in the end made it easier for the monkeys at Waterworld to weild the axe.
What is now happening is that Aviance are doing the job cheaper and more efficiently than BA could have done - whether you like it or not, thats the reason BA pulled the plug... When you drop the pay rates, cut all staff travel, remove the BA uniform, it really begins to show.
I managed to rack up 10 years with BA and yes, we were all professional until the very last day, but I do think BA have imposed such impossible tasks in the regions, all of which we never had to follow through whilst at BA ie doors closed policy, TRC walkaround checks etc etc... At BA if we took a delay then... we erm... took a delay. Now, its all hell to pay for for as little as 1 minute! Targets constantly. If its not doors closed, its excess baggage or self-service or some other new fancy target that suddenly appeares in the 'ever expanding and mysteriously never-ending ''Service Level Agreement'' document'...
BA starved the regions over the past 5 years or so. NO investment, and NO second look. LHR was the B all and end all.
MAN may well have run like a Swiss watch, but let me tell you that, from experience a certain station north of the border did not, due to inept management and total lack of directional control, which in the end made it easier for the monkeys at Waterworld to weild the axe.
What is now happening is that Aviance are doing the job cheaper and more efficiently than BA could have done - whether you like it or not, thats the reason BA pulled the plug... When you drop the pay rates, cut all staff travel, remove the BA uniform, it really begins to show.
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The 96er....As you will probably be aware I know scores of flight deck and cabin crew and the general concencus of opinion is that they miss their own staff doing the handling but commercial decisions rule.By and large Aviance have done a reasonable job considering the lack of training.The comment about being slow to attend aircraft is not commonplace amongst all flight deck crew.There may have been one or two who complained but that was generally because dispatchers may have been delayed on a previous service,which of course not all pilots would understand.You will never keep BA pilots happy all of the time.
Nevertheless,keep up the expected standards and please make sure my shuttle to LHR is not delayed on Monday!!!!
Nevertheless,keep up the expected standards and please make sure my shuttle to LHR is not delayed on Monday!!!!
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from the mouth of capts . .
i also heard that aviance OTP is far superior to BA's from both pilots and managment. dont forget that they are also judged on closing all doors up and down at -3mins . . RTG was not a 'studied' statistic under the 'old order' and aviance are still beating it with 'narrowed goalposts' . . BMI next? i'm sure they're watching BA/aviance performance/relationship with interest 
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More Aviance Redundancies
Heard there will be 48 redundancies of Aviance staff at LHR
and possibly more at other Stations TBA.
A sad time for the industry.
and possibly more at other Stations TBA.
A sad time for the industry.