circusair- All for Nothing
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circusair- All for Nothing
We have been wondering, how the aviation business can continue in the vain that it has, when there are companies who will provide the very lowest quality of service for the very lowest amount of money, hence nothing for nothing, what kind of a strategem is this?
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circusair are thge same at ncl. they're crap but have the contracts they do because they offer them for nothing. unfortunatley a lot of airlines these days would rather pay next to nothing than have quality handling!
circusair are thge same at ncl. they're crap but have the contracts they do because they offer them for nothing. unfortunatley a lot of airlines these days would rather pay next to nothing than have quality handling!
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Swissport dont undercut but they offer a much better standard of handling than those from the circus. At ncl everyone of us are cabable of producing our own loadsheets, at servisair they're all produced from an office in manchester. If i was flying an aircraft i would much prefere my paperwork to be produced by someone who has a hands on role within the turnaround than someone who hasn't even seen the a/c and is relying on what someone else has told them with regards to the weight and balance of the aircraft in question!
Who said i work for swissport anyway???
Swissport dont undercut but they offer a much better standard of handling than those from the circus. At ncl everyone of us are cabable of producing our own loadsheets, at servisair they're all produced from an office in manchester. If i was flying an aircraft i would much prefere my paperwork to be produced by someone who has a hands on role within the turnaround than someone who hasn't even seen the a/c and is relying on what someone else has told them with regards to the weight and balance of the aircraft in question!
Who said i work for swissport anyway???
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Whilst Servisair at NCL is a station now operating under CLC from MAN, not all loadsheets are produced by them. We still do manual loadsheets and often produce our own computerised loadsheets when CLC is too slow or changes are required.
As for the info passed to CLC for the loadsheets, it all comes from exactly the same sources as the loadsheets produced in-house. I fail to see how this makes it any less accurate than one produced by the dispatcher at the gate. It is still produced in exactly the same way, using the same system, in accordance with the same airline specific instructions, and has the same checks carried out on it afterwards.
As for 'hands on', the only hands on people are the baggage lads, and I doubt yours are any more or less capabe than ours when it comes to producing loadsheets. Even when the job was done in-house by the load controllers, they saw no more of the a/c than CLC do.
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Whilst Servisair at NCL is a station now operating under CLC from MAN, not all loadsheets are produced by them. We still do manual loadsheets and often produce our own computerised loadsheets when CLC is too slow or changes are required.
As for the info passed to CLC for the loadsheets, it all comes from exactly the same sources as the loadsheets produced in-house. I fail to see how this makes it any less accurate than one produced by the dispatcher at the gate. It is still produced in exactly the same way, using the same system, in accordance with the same airline specific instructions, and has the same checks carried out on it afterwards.
As for 'hands on', the only hands on people are the baggage lads, and I doubt yours are any more or less capabe than ours when it comes to producing loadsheets. Even when the job was done in-house by the load controllers, they saw no more of the a/c than CLC do.
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i have already decided my next career move when it all tumbles in at ncl
Go-on suprise us with your next career move.......At a guess i'd say....Airside ops?
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MMMMMMMMM servisair, i tried a stint with them at LGW, wot a load of S H I T E. My fault for leaving KLM at LHR to move home and try my hand with a handling company, i was warned but i just didn't listen, silly me.
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Circus End?????
I cant believe there are still people out there who continue to believe that Circusair is some great company. Having worked for them myself for two years I know how bad they are. Unfortunately nowadays in a world of low-fares, airlines dont care about good service from handling agents they opt for the cheap option. Looking forward to the circus falling apart in LPL this summer with so many flights and so few staff to deal with them!!!
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airside ops - ha ha
you have to be joking
tower ranger go and chase that little bunny rabbit and blow its butt to bits with your shotgun
roger tower
i expect to be in the job i am doing for a while yet
i just always have a back up just in case
and it aint in the airline industry
but i aint budging yet
unfortunately you will have to continue to put up with
my droning voice - smiling face? and my attitude problem with everyone that surrounds me
you have to be joking
tower ranger go and chase that little bunny rabbit and blow its butt to bits with your shotgun
roger tower
i expect to be in the job i am doing for a while yet
i just always have a back up just in case
and it aint in the airline industry
but i aint budging yet
unfortunately you will have to continue to put up with
my droning voice - smiling face? and my attitude problem with everyone that surrounds me
With MY reputation?
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Chaps,
CLC as a concept is here to stay. I've never worked in it, although I know plenty of people who do, but if it works for major airlines such as SK/VS etc then let's face it, there must be some mileage in it...Doesn't mean I agree with putting all ones eggs in one basket though, there's no substitute for W+B trained guys at the turnaround...Sadly I hung up my Manual Loadsheet pen a while ago now to pursue other aspects of aviation...
CLC as a concept is here to stay. I've never worked in it, although I know plenty of people who do, but if it works for major airlines such as SK/VS etc then let's face it, there must be some mileage in it...Doesn't mean I agree with putting all ones eggs in one basket though, there's no substitute for W+B trained guys at the turnaround...Sadly I hung up my Manual Loadsheet pen a while ago now to pursue other aspects of aviation...
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I have knwoledge of Servisairs operation through LPL and from what i have read here i can also add the following:
There Ops in LPL are very unporfessional, the ticket and customer service gals do a good job when you can get hold of them.
I am sure i seen them break the record in LPL for slowest turnaround ever on an air wales flight
For my money aviance are much better , more professional and slicker yet servisair get the majority of the contracts . I wonder if ezy regret moving ????
There Ops in LPL are very unporfessional, the ticket and customer service gals do a good job when you can get hold of them.
I am sure i seen them break the record in LPL for slowest turnaround ever on an air wales flight
For my money aviance are much better , more professional and slicker yet servisair get the majority of the contracts . I wonder if ezy regret moving ????
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well as for clc,i know quite abit i was actually involed in writing
some of the material for it!
so please dont try and speak to me about wt and bal for acft
whether it be in a state of the art office or a dispatch office.
now i know some horror stories,quite recently an easyjet
left stn a loadsheet was produced showing the baggage
weight alot less than actually checked in for the flight
and loaded in a completely different hold,how clever is that!
at the end of the day does not matter which handling agent
we all work for they are very much the same,poor pay,poor
rosters,expected to produce blood from a stone!
some of the material for it!
so please dont try and speak to me about wt and bal for acft
whether it be in a state of the art office or a dispatch office.
now i know some horror stories,quite recently an easyjet
left stn a loadsheet was produced showing the baggage
weight alot less than actually checked in for the flight
and loaded in a completely different hold,how clever is that!
at the end of the day does not matter which handling agent
we all work for they are very much the same,poor pay,poor
rosters,expected to produce blood from a stone!
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Maude Charlee: Your points are valid about load controllers not actually seeing an aircraft, but I'm curious; do you think CLC is a good idea? If as your post suggests you work for Servisair at NCL, the next natural step up the ladder from that position used to be errr.....load control. So where are you considering moving to next?
lagerlout: "Unprofessional" and "knowledge" ...but that's beside the point. Which Aviance station are you referring to as being better than Servisair?
Cheers buddy: I don't necessarily think that S'Air are a great company, but there are some people working for them who actually enjoy what they do. From what I've heard it sounds like you weren't too far off the mark where LPL is concerned though, seems to be a problem or two there.
Despite previous threads on the subject, I'm still trying to find out why particular stations' load control was centralised. Any ideas?
Knew I'd forget something: PapaRomeo: just because S'Air's loadsheets are produced at MAN doesn't mean that they can't all produce their own loadsheets. What's your point?
lagerlout: "Unprofessional" and "knowledge" ...but that's beside the point. Which Aviance station are you referring to as being better than Servisair?
Cheers buddy: I don't necessarily think that S'Air are a great company, but there are some people working for them who actually enjoy what they do. From what I've heard it sounds like you weren't too far off the mark where LPL is concerned though, seems to be a problem or two there.
Despite previous threads on the subject, I'm still trying to find out why particular stations' load control was centralised. Any ideas?
Knew I'd forget something: PapaRomeo: just because S'Air's loadsheets are produced at MAN doesn't mean that they can't all produce their own loadsheets. What's your point?
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Redfield,
Quite correct in your assumptions.
As for CLC, I have no great problem with it as it works as it was intended to do most of the time. However, I fail to see what it actually achieved. LC's are still all employed on the same T's and C's, albeit as Ops Assistants instead of LC's, and we still use them as an easily contactable link for comms with CLC. They still produce the occassional loadsheet when the Mancs are dragging their feet. When things go Pete Tong, we stay in house rather than fart around with MAN and get it sorted much faster.
As for the future - well, we'll see about that. Never wanted a desk job, and my sights are set (quite literally) much higher.
Quite correct in your assumptions.
As for CLC, I have no great problem with it as it works as it was intended to do most of the time. However, I fail to see what it actually achieved. LC's are still all employed on the same T's and C's, albeit as Ops Assistants instead of LC's, and we still use them as an easily contactable link for comms with CLC. They still produce the occassional loadsheet when the Mancs are dragging their feet. When things go Pete Tong, we stay in house rather than fart around with MAN and get it sorted much faster.
As for the future - well, we'll see about that. Never wanted a desk job, and my sights are set (quite literally) much higher.
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I'll admit it, not quite sure what the point of my post was (i was under the influence of a considerable amount of alcohol at the time but thats no excuse) Apologies to anyone at servisair if any offense was caused with the post (that was not the intention). As mickey and urdy gurdy pointed out, we're all in this **** together and while some of us love it and others hate it at the end of the day we've all got a job to do. probably another pointless post but i thought some people deserved an answer to their questions and others an apology!