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Old 9th Feb 2018, 20:35   #21 (permalink)
 
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Never mind the detail as to whether EASA will accept pilot, engineer, maintenance organisation or air operating certs as having validity the day after Partition even if the CAA say "we will keep running to EASA rules until we replace them". If they don't then of course British aircraft and pilots will be banned from European airspace (as a minimum).

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Old 12th Feb 2018, 12:39   #22 (permalink)
 
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"pilots will be banned from European airspace" ...lol, like the American, Canadian, UAE and Australian pilots that are outside of Europe and can't fly in European airspace! ...O wait they can!
The European Union cannot regulate in this area! The aviation treaties that aviation runs on are all from pre-1958, a significant date as any international treaty signed before 1st January 1958 is more superior than European Union law, as laid down in the Treaty of European Union article 351.

Aviation existed before the European Union and will be around a long time after its forgotten.
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Old 12th Feb 2018, 13:04   #23 (permalink)
 
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But the CAA no longer has the expertise, resources or funding to return to being any more than a National Competent Body under EASA. The UK willingly ceded those rights when we joined EASA, so what you say is not true.

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Old 12th Feb 2018, 14:27   #24 (permalink)
 
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"pilots will be banned from European airspace" ...lol, like the American, Canadian, UAE and Australian pilots that are outside of Europe and can't fly in European airspace! ...O wait they can!
The European Union cannot regulate in this area! The aviation treaties that aviation runs on are all from pre-1958, a significant date as any international treaty signed before 1st January 1958 is more superior than European Union law, as laid down in the Treaty of European Union article 351.

Aviation existed before the European Union and will be around a long time after its forgotten.
Bit simplistic,ICAO/IATA are just standards,doesn't confer rights to do anything e.g. overflight.
Whilst licences & approvals won't fall off a cliff,all other rights (if a hard BREXIT occurrs) will lapse. The UK has no Bilateral agreements governing flight freedoms/open skies,they are all via the EU.
We can't even enter into negotiations,in theory all aircraft with a G on the tail,the day after a hard Brexit wouldn't have a lot of choice of European destinations!
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So that's thousands of European airport workers out of a job then. I'm sure the French/ Italian/ Spanish etc. unions won't mind...........
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 00:10   #26 (permalink)
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Whilst licences & approvals won't fall off a cliff
You sure??

If you licence is an EASA one and we are no longer in EASA, then surely the licence will be void, rather like the Passports having to change too.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 10:13   #27 (permalink)
 
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If you are worried about retaining you European licence do a transfer of state now, you can exchange a UK part 66 for one in any other member state
(Apart from the LBA in Germany, who will come up with a reason not to if you dont tick one of the living /working/german reg aircraft boxes)
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I heard a rumour last month that the UK CAA have shut their Brexit office.

I also read that FR had made an AOC application late December for their local UK flights.

This is rumour network after all.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 17:15   #29 (permalink)
 
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Currently living & registered in Europe with no immediate intention of returning to the UK so could be affected by this.
Does anyone have any real idea what is going to happen & are the CAA giving any info. Which country's licence do you recommend transferring to, might be able to swing the German as currently employed by German company only not in German.
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Exup,
The sense of panic being generated this thread is rapidly becoming the envy of the Sun and Daily Mail. No-one knows whats going on, even the CAA /EASA, and everyone is speculating...and some without thinking before shooting off.
Such as the mere thought of the CAA having enough room or resources to open/staff a "Brexit Office"!
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Exup,
The sense of panic being generated this thread is rapidly becoming the envy of the Sun and Daily Mail. No-one knows whats going on, even the CAA /EASA, and everyone is speculating...and some without thinking before shooting off.
Such as the mere thought of the CAA having enough room or resources to open/staff a "Brexit Office"!
. Indeedy ! The issue with the handling of Brexit,is that no one (least of all the government!)knows what comes next! PUs & breweries springs to mind. If I were to opt for a 66 from another NAA, think Id go with the IAA.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 07:26   #32 (permalink)
 
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Cheers guys, Guess best to wait & see what's going to happen. Living this side of the channel there is even less info available, to be honest I don't think anybody is really interested in Brexit here, hardly ever mentioned.
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...to my knowledge, the Dutch AML was the easiest. You had to argue for a Limitation but invariably they gave a full licence.
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 17:08   #34 (permalink)
 
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If the EU is not going to recognize Engineers and pilots Licences issued by the CAA then presumably they will also not recognize ATC Licences. Which then begs the question how do their airlines get to North America if they cannot fly through UK controlled airspace.

My 2 bob - Brexit will be a non-event and everyone will carry on as normal.
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 18:02   #35 (permalink)
 
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My 2 bob - Brexit will be a non-event and everyone will carry on as normal.
Don't your eyes get scratched raw when you bury your head in the sand like that?

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Old 17th Feb 2018, 01:18   #36 (permalink)
 
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Don't your eyes get scratched raw when you bury your head in the sand like that?

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LOL - sorry but just dont buy into all the hysteria. I'll leave that to others.
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