To the Wally at Bankstown
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No reason, tower was trying to contact him and he wasn't listening.
can't rememeber exact height, over the water though..@ lake gillawarna
correct. he was on 11R, I was on 11L, he turned LEFT
Dog
can't rememeber exact height, over the water though..@ lake gillawarna
correct. he was on 11R, I was on 11L, he turned LEFT
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Your posts are starting to lack structure and sense. I think that you are just banging away in frustration and anger not really thinking about what your two fingers are stamping out.
I'm sorry if you got a bit excited by the prospect but no, I'm not from 'said' school.
You reek of arrogance and an overinflated ego. That's what I see in the above words, and all coming from a student.
You are above overlooking simple yet essential tasks, you don't make stupid mistakes and you are always lucky whenever you grace an aircraft with your presence. Therefore, when someone else does something stupid, you can step up onto your soapbox and tell other pilots how much of a fool they were, how you know where they fly and how you hope they got what was coming to them.
Why don't you check out this forum and the many stories it has to tell about pilots that have made stupid mistakes, overlooked essential tasks, or just been plain unlucky?
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I'm sure you could pull out a few of those 'mistakes' and in you arrogant, I can do no wrong attitude tell the world how stupid they are and how much above them you are?
If everyone posted their disgust at the stupid things done by others you wouldn't have enough room to fit it all here. If everyone reduced their stories to immature 'threats' and beatings down then I am sure that the number of incidents and accidents would take a dive. You obviously think so.
You have a lot to learn. Good luck.
I'm sorry if you got a bit excited by the prospect but no, I'm not from 'said' school.
I hope you have either taken some more dual lessons or learnt another hobbie. What you did was not only stupid, but very very dangerous, to me. I dont like being in that kind of danger, and luckily for you I had enough airspace underneath me to descend to allow you over my head a short distance away...
Yes, I am a student, yes I have thought a river was a road on a Nav etc etc, but I WOULD NOT ORBIT on FINALS at BK.
Why don't you check out this forum and the many stories it has to tell about pilots that have made stupid mistakes, overlooked essential tasks, or just been plain unlucky?
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There are mistakes, and there are mistakes....
If everyone posted their disgust at the stupid things done by others you wouldn't have enough room to fit it all here. If everyone reduced their stories to immature 'threats' and beatings down then I am sure that the number of incidents and accidents would take a dive. You obviously think so.
You have a lot to learn. Good luck.
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don't slip on gravy
Alright, al-RIGHT!!! Calm down everyone, it was me, okay?? I admit it. But before you all go off your rocking horses all over again, spitting and spluttering, let me at least explain...
It could've happened to anyone. I was in the lightie, on final, just like dog-style said, and I flew a 180 in the wrong direction, too. Here's how it happened:
I'm out in Singapore on a LO-OOONG layover and there's this buncha brand new fluff on the crew. Now, somehow I got outa hand (maybe it was during a moment commonly associated with gravy?? Thats NOT where the name comes from, BTW, I just happen to like it and I'm running outa good ones due to my numerous bannings) and next thing I'm promising this Professional Cabin Safety Service Professional a ride in "my" own aircraft back home. You know, we've all done it, right? It was the beer talking, not me.
She was just sober enough to remember when we got home and she held me to it. Sensing an opportunity, I agreed to do her a favour and take her up. I told her that since I'm a pro, the regs say she has to pay the hire or else it is cost-sharing. hehe...
So anyway, if you think the orbit was bad, you should've seen my take-off. Kinda got outa hand for a bit, I got billy-cart syndrome and started poking the wrong rudder pedals to straighten that beast up. We laid rubber, by the sounds of it, and headed for the queue of bug-smashers at the intersection of who-knows-what taxiways/tarmacs/runways, and, like the first F-16 test flight, airborne seemed the best place for gravy so I yanked... HARD. I heard a faint "Bonk!" as we passed over a low-wing something and I managed a weak grin at my triumph, and passenger.
Working in the backseat of the jumbo, I don't get much practice actually flying anything but I didn't remember it being THAT hard.
Well, naturally, I was too sh!t-scared to come back in a hurry. We tooled around all over the place for bloo.dy ages "checking out the sights." I kept thinking of other things to look at to put off coming back and landing. ATC were pulling their hair out so I finally turned the volume down and was able to relax a little. I eventually realised my laziness in not bothering to climb up and check the fuel tanks was coming back to bite me. I declared a beer emergency as taught by my first instructor a couple of years ago, better than mentioning fuel.
I summoned all my professionalism and began a 3-times profile at idle thrust just like we do in the sim (now and then) but the pox-ridden thing performed like a BBQ hotplate. No wonder I almost died. The fluff had no idea and thought everything was still cool. When I realised how low I was, I did the only sane thing and immediately flew an orbit. See and be Seen, I read my AICs... so you can imagine how cheesed off I was with that dog-doodoo dude when I saw him in my w/screen. Bloo.dy maniac nearly killed us all.
Later, I told the chick ATC had screwed up during a shift change and she went off to write to the editor and register her disgust. She was amazed with my coolness under pressure and promptly rewarded me again and again.
So what have we learnt from this?
1. When fluff is watching, NEVER let the situation get the better of you or turn back NO MATTER WHAT.
2. Never trust a student's version of a story.
3. 2nd Orficers DO have something professional to contribute.
It could've happened to anyone. I was in the lightie, on final, just like dog-style said, and I flew a 180 in the wrong direction, too. Here's how it happened:
I'm out in Singapore on a LO-OOONG layover and there's this buncha brand new fluff on the crew. Now, somehow I got outa hand (maybe it was during a moment commonly associated with gravy?? Thats NOT where the name comes from, BTW, I just happen to like it and I'm running outa good ones due to my numerous bannings) and next thing I'm promising this Professional Cabin Safety Service Professional a ride in "my" own aircraft back home. You know, we've all done it, right? It was the beer talking, not me.
She was just sober enough to remember when we got home and she held me to it. Sensing an opportunity, I agreed to do her a favour and take her up. I told her that since I'm a pro, the regs say she has to pay the hire or else it is cost-sharing. hehe...
So anyway, if you think the orbit was bad, you should've seen my take-off. Kinda got outa hand for a bit, I got billy-cart syndrome and started poking the wrong rudder pedals to straighten that beast up. We laid rubber, by the sounds of it, and headed for the queue of bug-smashers at the intersection of who-knows-what taxiways/tarmacs/runways, and, like the first F-16 test flight, airborne seemed the best place for gravy so I yanked... HARD. I heard a faint "Bonk!" as we passed over a low-wing something and I managed a weak grin at my triumph, and passenger.
Working in the backseat of the jumbo, I don't get much practice actually flying anything but I didn't remember it being THAT hard.
Well, naturally, I was too sh!t-scared to come back in a hurry. We tooled around all over the place for bloo.dy ages "checking out the sights." I kept thinking of other things to look at to put off coming back and landing. ATC were pulling their hair out so I finally turned the volume down and was able to relax a little. I eventually realised my laziness in not bothering to climb up and check the fuel tanks was coming back to bite me. I declared a beer emergency as taught by my first instructor a couple of years ago, better than mentioning fuel.
I summoned all my professionalism and began a 3-times profile at idle thrust just like we do in the sim (now and then) but the pox-ridden thing performed like a BBQ hotplate. No wonder I almost died. The fluff had no idea and thought everything was still cool. When I realised how low I was, I did the only sane thing and immediately flew an orbit. See and be Seen, I read my AICs... so you can imagine how cheesed off I was with that dog-doodoo dude when I saw him in my w/screen. Bloo.dy maniac nearly killed us all.
Later, I told the chick ATC had screwed up during a shift change and she went off to write to the editor and register her disgust. She was amazed with my coolness under pressure and promptly rewarded me again and again.
So what have we learnt from this?
1. When fluff is watching, NEVER let the situation get the better of you or turn back NO MATTER WHAT.
2. Never trust a student's version of a story.
3. 2nd Orficers DO have something professional to contribute.
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gravy - Classic post, I nearly pi$$ed meself!! 
NS - The fact is, Dog has a point - Doing orbits on low finals to the three busiest runways in Australia is A BLOODY STUPID thing to do!
Dog may have made his point a little vehemently, but I for one am certainly glad that he did.
It'll give us long-suffering BK jockeys yet one more thing to look out for in the circuit, in addition to all the other "interesting" moves I've seen over the years.........
Cheers
NS - The fact is, Dog has a point - Doing orbits on low finals to the three busiest runways in Australia is A BLOODY STUPID thing to do!
Dog may have made his point a little vehemently, but I for one am certainly glad that he did.
It'll give us long-suffering BK jockeys yet one more thing to look out for in the circuit, in addition to all the other "interesting" moves I've seen over the years.........
Cheers
Last edited by BaronvonChieftain; 18th Jul 2002 at 02:01.
Fair 'nough then gravy. Why didn't you mention there was fluff involved sooner?
After Dog was forced to watch gravy with his fluff "burning rubber", going "bonk" like he did, is it any wonder that in the end, all Dog wanted to see the gravy shot......
