The "heroes" of Ansett 1989-2002.
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On both sides of the fence, it is all about taking responsibility for your actions.
It seems that some here do not wish to do so. The usual tired old one sided excuses and arguments are being repeated again and again and (boring) again. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
It seems that some here do not wish to do so. The usual tired old one sided excuses and arguments are being repeated again and again and (boring) again. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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My thoughts turned to moral decision making.
Some possible choices are:
1. Self-centred - I choose what I like, so long as I'm don't harm anyone and I'm prepared for all the legal and community/family consequences. Is this the "selfish" pilot who may, in some quarters be called a scab?
2. The greater good - I will choose the action(s) which will provide the greatest good for the majority of the (pilot) community. Is this the pilot who'll not accept lesser conditions on the basis that appropriate rewards for all will be preserved?
3. The weakest in our society need protection - All of us in this situation must band together and find an equitable outcome that treats us all from a point of equal barganing strength. Is this the pilot prepared to accept a lessor outcome than his/her status would otherwise have delivered?
Can there ever be a right or wrong action? Isn't it true that individuals will, on the basis of their moral development choose one course or other, inspite of how they think other will judge them? Is it possible to accept that in any society there will be difference of opinion, passion, perspective and points of view.
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Some possible choices are:
1. Self-centred - I choose what I like, so long as I'm don't harm anyone and I'm prepared for all the legal and community/family consequences. Is this the "selfish" pilot who may, in some quarters be called a scab?
2. The greater good - I will choose the action(s) which will provide the greatest good for the majority of the (pilot) community. Is this the pilot who'll not accept lesser conditions on the basis that appropriate rewards for all will be preserved?
3. The weakest in our society need protection - All of us in this situation must band together and find an equitable outcome that treats us all from a point of equal barganing strength. Is this the pilot prepared to accept a lessor outcome than his/her status would otherwise have delivered?
Can there ever be a right or wrong action? Isn't it true that individuals will, on the basis of their moral development choose one course or other, inspite of how they think other will judge them? Is it possible to accept that in any society there will be difference of opinion, passion, perspective and points of view.
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Hey Woomera how many times do you want to thrash out this same arguement. You do know every time you lock this up another anti scab post will start.. .THIS IS NOT ........ 1) NEWS. . ........ 2) RUMOUR . .Why dont you let Kaptin M moderate his own site on this subject outside of DUNNUNDA.?. . PLEASE.!!. .No offence intended Kaptin. I seriously think you would do a good job of it. Anyone not understanding 1989 could then learn from your site.. . <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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bgt and others.
1. It's simple as you say, I lock this one another starts so why bother. Why? There is obviously some interest otherwise the thread would have a short life and die a natural death as do the vast majority of threads herein.
As a moderator I am constantly surprised at some of the threads that take off and others that perhaps should do, but don't. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
2. It's also a simple matter to just ignore them, completely, unless you feel compelled to participate, in which event don't ask me to close it for this reason or that if it goes in a direction that doesn't suit your personal views. Yours are as valid as anyones as long as they are presented according to the rules.
3. If you are concerned that somehow misinformation on a subject is being propagated then trust your fellow PPRuNers and believe me they are very very quick to do so, to correct this. Single sided arguments on any subject rarely last long, ask mrs woomera
4. None of the Woomeras were directly or even indirectly involved then or now, our ONLY task is to keep it clean.
As always around here, it's your choice.
1. It's simple as you say, I lock this one another starts so why bother. Why? There is obviously some interest otherwise the thread would have a short life and die a natural death as do the vast majority of threads herein.
As a moderator I am constantly surprised at some of the threads that take off and others that perhaps should do, but don't. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
2. It's also a simple matter to just ignore them, completely, unless you feel compelled to participate, in which event don't ask me to close it for this reason or that if it goes in a direction that doesn't suit your personal views. Yours are as valid as anyones as long as they are presented according to the rules.
3. If you are concerned that somehow misinformation on a subject is being propagated then trust your fellow PPRuNers and believe me they are very very quick to do so, to correct this. Single sided arguments on any subject rarely last long, ask mrs woomera
4. None of the Woomeras were directly or even indirectly involved then or now, our ONLY task is to keep it clean.
As always around here, it's your choice.
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And once again.... . .No one is being forced to read this thread.
It appears to me that those bleating that it is sooooo booring / happened so long ago / should be padlocked, censored, moved out of sight etc. may be just a little uncomfortable about being reminded about the past.
For some of us: Forgive - maybe. Forget - never.
It appears to me that those bleating that it is sooooo booring / happened so long ago / should be padlocked, censored, moved out of sight etc. may be just a little uncomfortable about being reminded about the past.
For some of us: Forgive - maybe. Forget - never.
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Not at all D.D. . ."Forgive but dont forget" are you kidding. I havent seen ANY Forgiving HERE.If you have forgiven all ,, why bother with this thread.OR why at least dont you tell others that you have forgiven them. . .My problem with this CONTINUED THREAD is that it is powered by hatred , fed with anger and aimed to intimidate.. .Some of the worst reasons to be writing anything at all.. .BUT hey its your life ...albiet a little shorter each day and if you ENJOY this type of thing ,go to it. NEITHER SIDE will ever win the arguement. So I guess the best part is ,. .you can continue the arguement for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE .. .Sorry to have troubled you Wommera.I wasnt involved either. I would rather have read L.A.M.E.s press releases . At least at times I learnt things from them.. . So on that note, I will take your advice .I wont bother reading this again !
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Kaptin "eMbalism" has got to be the worlds biggest wa*ker! . .(1)He is still persuing something that happened nearly 13 years ago which means he is a very angry, bitter, unstable individual. . .(2)He maintains that if you didn't behave in a way he sees fit then he will call you names.. .(3)His ultimate hypocracy is that he's quite happy to live and work overseas thereby depriving someone else (local) of a job which makes him the worlds biggest SCAB.. .(4)This poor excuse for an individual is flyimg aeroplanes around with people on them which is a real worry. I think it's time that these concerns are made clear to his employer.
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Thanks for the concerns Alpha 41 - the subject of the Ansett scabs WAS raised with my employer some months back.
And he agreed that NONE of them will find a position here!! <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> . .Cheers.
And he agreed that NONE of them will find a position here!!
<img src="frown.gif" border="0"> . .Cheers.
What's that I hear!
"No ticket, no job"
"No ticket, no job"
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A41, it is only due to the likes of the Kapt and his ilk that prevents the scabs from rewriting history. If you don't like it, don't read it. Keep it up Kapt, I don't always agree with you, but 99.9% of the time you get my thumbs up, mate.
Nunc est bibendum
Alpha, it may have been 12 1/2 years ago but the lessons are still pretty relevant- especially in liight of what is going on at Ansett Mk X.
Everything changes and nothing changes.
Everything changes and nothing changes.
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Why dont you get a life! I read these threads because I find them interesting. NO, I wasn't involevd in 89 and I have never been involved nor do I know anybody personally who has been invlolved with ANSETT.
IF READING THIS THREAD MAKES YOU FEEL UNCONFORTABLE THEN DONT!
A41. .Q.If re-visiting history is so bad, why is the entire human race hell bent on finding out what went on over the past Zillion years?
A. Because we can learn by our mistakes!
KaptM. .I dont always agree with the things you say but I am still reading. Thats all I can say, i'm interested in your point of view, and that of others.
NOT GARBAGE!
Why dont you get a life! I read these threads because I find them interesting. NO, I wasn't involevd in 89 and I have never been involved nor do I know anybody personally who has been invlolved with ANSETT.
IF READING THIS THREAD MAKES YOU FEEL UNCONFORTABLE THEN DONT!
A41. .Q.If re-visiting history is so bad, why is the entire human race hell bent on finding out what went on over the past Zillion years?
A. Because we can learn by our mistakes!
KaptM. .I dont always agree with the things you say but I am still reading. Thats all I can say, i'm interested in your point of view, and that of others.
NOT GARBAGE!
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BRILLIANT overunder.I expect it took you a while to come up with that little gem.. .Please please tell us what you really mean so I can warn the scabs going off overseas.
I may be able to help you out here,perhaps a whoopy cushion slipped in at the appropiate time?
No no, I've got it how about some of that frothing sugar surved in there coffee,that will surely let those scabs know you mean business.. .What do think overunder?We're really interested to know!!!.. .Of course if you have anything more sinister in mind you'll have to watch you don't incur the wrath of Woomera.
I may be able to help you out here,perhaps a whoopy cushion slipped in at the appropiate time?
No no, I've got it how about some of that frothing sugar surved in there coffee,that will surely let those scabs know you mean business.. .What do think overunder?We're really interested to know!!!.. .Of course if you have anything more sinister in mind you'll have to watch you don't incur the wrath of Woomera.
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Overunder, I know that these guys dont have their "tails between their legs" This is just wishful thinking on the part of those who wish them ill. On these Japan contracts, no doubt they are laughing all the way to the bank. <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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Hi guys, remember me? Iam the one who started this marathon post some six pages ago.. .The reason I started this was not to start a "89" here we go again post, but was to get feedback on how ansett pilots that have left to take up contracts elsewere, (as much as it was for a matter of survival) should be re-employed back at Ansett at their current rank once their contract has expired.. .If this was to happen then the F/O's that have NOT been able to get overseas work and have worked throughout the administration period on as little as 15 hours/month will have to put up with NO chance of an upgrade for quite some time.. .I do see to a point that it was not their fault that AN went under, but what ever way it goes, your going to have some unhappy campers in Ansett.
Sorry for interupting....you were saying...
Sorry for interupting....you were saying...