BOYCOT AIR NEW ZEALAND
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BOYCOT AIR NEW ZEALAND
After what they have done to great Australians and a great Australian institution it's time to boycot Air New Zealand.
Both Air New Zuland and New Zulland's Priminister Mr. Helen Clark have grosely insulted all Australians over the last few days in the press.
It's time to boycot the services of an organisation that deserves our ire, and in doing so show our kiwi brothers all the concern that they have shown our Ansett brothers.
Who is for it?
Can somebody also tell me why the unions have been ground handelling their aircraft?
Both Air New Zuland and New Zulland's Priminister Mr. Helen Clark have grosely insulted all Australians over the last few days in the press.
It's time to boycot the services of an organisation that deserves our ire, and in doing so show our kiwi brothers all the concern that they have shown our Ansett brothers.
Who is for it?
Can somebody also tell me why the unions have been ground handelling their aircraft?
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prunehead ,You do that and ther'll be more trouble than Australasia can handle.
Ansett was b.u.g.g.e.r.e.d before we got it. We just made a stupid decision to buy it... we did not run into the ground.
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Total bollocks, prunehead!
Who cocked up things in the first place?
Maybe Mr. Murdoch knows the answer....
And most of all: Deputy PM Anderson did all he could to support Qantas' interests in taking over a major stake in Air New Zealand shares which would have led to a monopoly.
And what did he do to prevent Ansett from going tits up? Didn't move a finger. Blaming ANZ and NZ government instead, good enough to save election year...
Well, at least Qantas has the monopoly now...
Who cocked up things in the first place?
Maybe Mr. Murdoch knows the answer....
And most of all: Deputy PM Anderson did all he could to support Qantas' interests in taking over a major stake in Air New Zealand shares which would have led to a monopoly.
And what did he do to prevent Ansett from going tits up? Didn't move a finger. Blaming ANZ and NZ government instead, good enough to save election year...
Well, at least Qantas has the monopoly now...
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I know we are all very angry at what has happened - and yes the Air New Zealand Board and Management, the NZ Government and a number of other parties have a lot to answer for - but crippling the parent company destroys all chances of anybody achieving anything.
Apart from losing all chance of Ansett staff receiving what is owed to them, it also destroys the jobs of fellow airline professionals who are innocent of any part in this debacle, and just lessens everyone's employment opportunities elsewhere.
We have a number of friends - flight crew, cabin crew, and ground staff in Air NZ and the ones we have spoken to over the last few days are as disappointed and disgusted at what has happened, and do not agree with the actions of their management, the Board or the NZ government.
Why add to the mess by sending yet another airline under? Look at what is already happening overseas in the US, the UK and Europe.
I just wish everyone well who has suffered in this mess, and hope that Arthur Andersen can get to the bottom of it all and get people paid and back in jobs before there are any more job losses in an industry that is struggling.
Please let logic and common sense prevail - thera are legal and proper ways of getting things done. Intervening in this process by boycotts and disruptions will just slow this process.
Apart from losing all chance of Ansett staff receiving what is owed to them, it also destroys the jobs of fellow airline professionals who are innocent of any part in this debacle, and just lessens everyone's employment opportunities elsewhere.
We have a number of friends - flight crew, cabin crew, and ground staff in Air NZ and the ones we have spoken to over the last few days are as disappointed and disgusted at what has happened, and do not agree with the actions of their management, the Board or the NZ government.
Why add to the mess by sending yet another airline under? Look at what is already happening overseas in the US, the UK and Europe.
I just wish everyone well who has suffered in this mess, and hope that Arthur Andersen can get to the bottom of it all and get people paid and back in jobs before there are any more job losses in an industry that is struggling.
Please let logic and common sense prevail - thera are legal and proper ways of getting things done. Intervening in this process by boycotts and disruptions will just slow this process.
Please let's stop this nonsense about boycotts and black bans against Air NZ. The TWU made their point by blockading the NZ PM's aircraft but any further action is not going to assist Ansett staff and will only serve to weaken Air NZ's position. Will you not be satisfied until Air NZ goes to the wall as well? Don't you realise that Air New Zealand, like Ansett, is made up of a lot of good people who are devoted to their airline but cannot control its destiny. The argument is with morally maneuverable management who don't care what airline they are working for. I was fortunate to spend 31 years with QF and to me Air NZ was always family. My heart bleeds for all the Ansett people and I sympathise with their legitimate grievances but hurting Air NZ will help nobody. Besides the world's airlines are in for a hard enough time as it is.
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Enough, everyone! As an AN employee, (we are not yet terminated), for almost eighteen years, can I ask that you all take your hands off the keyboard, sit back and think about the sentiments I've been reading. There is enough vitriol there for a million poison arrows, all to no positive purpose.
The very idea of visiting on anyone the feelings of trepidation for the future that I and my family are experiencing is dreadful to contemplate, and I cannot sit by and watch the flames being fanned in this way. The "average" Kiwi had no part in my problem, nor did the average ANZ employee. We all know where the blame lies, and from where restitution must come, and it's NOT from Joe Blow in AKL, CHC or anywhere else, it's from the boardroom of the perpetrators of this infamy.
A boycott would only hasten the demise of the area of AN where I work, since they are "customers", how's that for a dilemma?
Please bear in mind those who would suffer most are like all the rest of us, with the same problems, and to blame them is tantamount to blaming all Arabs for the New York/Washington atrocities. I am not a great proponent of turning the other cheek, but I cannot tolerate the thought of more families facing the same feeling of sadness for the recent past, fear for the future and the continuing uncertainty as mine currently does.
Please, everyone, let's try to keep an eye on reality and try to help the situation rather than exacerbate it.
Christ, I can hardly see the keyboard!!
Regards to ALL, Kiwi-land as well.
TheNightOwl.
The very idea of visiting on anyone the feelings of trepidation for the future that I and my family are experiencing is dreadful to contemplate, and I cannot sit by and watch the flames being fanned in this way. The "average" Kiwi had no part in my problem, nor did the average ANZ employee. We all know where the blame lies, and from where restitution must come, and it's NOT from Joe Blow in AKL, CHC or anywhere else, it's from the boardroom of the perpetrators of this infamy.
A boycott would only hasten the demise of the area of AN where I work, since they are "customers", how's that for a dilemma?
Please bear in mind those who would suffer most are like all the rest of us, with the same problems, and to blame them is tantamount to blaming all Arabs for the New York/Washington atrocities. I am not a great proponent of turning the other cheek, but I cannot tolerate the thought of more families facing the same feeling of sadness for the recent past, fear for the future and the continuing uncertainty as mine currently does.
Please, everyone, let's try to keep an eye on reality and try to help the situation rather than exacerbate it.
Christ, I can hardly see the keyboard!!
Regards to ALL, Kiwi-land as well.
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Well said Night Owl. I'm just an observer with no axe to grind except my GBO has suffered a 40% reduction in revenue right in the middle of EBA negotiations. The demise of Ansett goes back to the Silver Bodgie/Fat Man/Paperboy era where the company was basically asset stripped and leased back, (also remember Gate Gormet was AN Catering), then Sir Sel (great ego, f+++ all aviation sense) and a procrastinating PM got involved. If the NZ govt had approved the selloff of up to 49% to SQ, when first floated some time ago, the only one's not laughing would have been the Chairman of the latter. (and AN would still be in business). To many aviation professionals in Australia, like AN, TEAL/ANZ has been part of their aviation experience over 34 years, I'm sure we would hate to see it go as well. 
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H'mm, All is not well in the Global Village it seems.
All this rhetoric and nationalistic fervour is somewhat misguided IMHO.
Just sit back for a short while and think about the position of flight crew, cabin crew, caterers, baggage handlers, maintenance staff,cleaners, cab drivers, motel owners, aircraft manufacturers and dare I say it airline managers in the current global sense.
Has anyone seen the reports for projections of our American cousins about to be laid off?
At what level do you think public confidence in air travel is running?
Check out the share prices of any aviation org. It's no longer just GA, it's no longer just Aust. or NZ. A global industry disater in numerous forms is upon us and all the majority of posters here can manage is petty and none too imaginative insults.
Spare me a reply. Get your sh#* and resumes together and good luck and Godspeed.
All this rhetoric and nationalistic fervour is somewhat misguided IMHO.
Just sit back for a short while and think about the position of flight crew, cabin crew, caterers, baggage handlers, maintenance staff,cleaners, cab drivers, motel owners, aircraft manufacturers and dare I say it airline managers in the current global sense.
Has anyone seen the reports for projections of our American cousins about to be laid off?
At what level do you think public confidence in air travel is running?
Check out the share prices of any aviation org. It's no longer just GA, it's no longer just Aust. or NZ. A global industry disater in numerous forms is upon us and all the majority of posters here can manage is petty and none too imaginative insults.
Spare me a reply. Get your sh#* and resumes together and good luck and Godspeed.
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Not that I care whats happening down there but why are you on the Kiwis case? It never ceases to amaze me how the SIA divide-and-conquer-from-the-background rule works so damn well. Suggest you all open your blinkered bloodey eyes.
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Slasher: "not that I care what's happening down there"!!!!!!!!!!! Not bloody much, you don't, your ID is on almost every thread which has a chance of getting a snipe in at AN's demise. Please, stay in Nam, as you call it, and play in your own little backyard, life here is difficult enough without the likes of you making it worse. If you really care so little, keep quiet and out of what no longer concerns you.
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Now that every body has got whatever off their chest, lets just stop bashing each other and get back to the real issues.
Lets just leave out the personalised attacks on each other, please.
There are much bigger issues at stake in the world at the moment
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Click!
Lets just leave out the personalised attacks on each other, please.
There are much bigger issues at stake in the world at the moment
W
Click!
