Which Canadian Carrier Would You Wanna Fly For?
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Just woke up with a banger of a headache and re-read my post! A buddy of mine emailed me and made some very valid points........!
I do not believe that the post was even written by Sean. So Sean please accept my apology from the previous post as I was suffering a long night at the pub after the nuckers let Dallas back in the series.........
Peace,
Pitotman
off to get someting for my head mon!
I do not believe that the post was even written by Sean. So Sean please accept my apology from the previous post as I was suffering a long night at the pub after the nuckers let Dallas back in the series.........
Peace,
Pitotman
off to get someting for my head mon!
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Will NEVER fly for Air Canada!
Before any one gets excited I am not a wash out as I was accepted.
I fly outside of Canada in a place where we have a good time; we work hard, get paid good money, and do not spend our lives complaining. And it’s not in the sand pit.
I find that people do not realize how lucky they are sitting in a 767 flying for A/C, then again are they really? I spent many years flying long hours to get to where I am, and there are still a large number of pilots out there working hard to fulfil there dreams and make more than minimum wage!
Where I work we are a core group of pilots that enjoy our time together, do 2 month pairings and get along!
Guys stop complaining! Take a minute and have a thought at those that are still flying hard in the bush some place, they are the real pilots here!
Time to wake up in Canada, help each other out and act like real gentlemen!
cheers
Before any one gets excited I am not a wash out as I was accepted.
I fly outside of Canada in a place where we have a good time; we work hard, get paid good money, and do not spend our lives complaining. And it’s not in the sand pit.
I find that people do not realize how lucky they are sitting in a 767 flying for A/C, then again are they really? I spent many years flying long hours to get to where I am, and there are still a large number of pilots out there working hard to fulfil there dreams and make more than minimum wage!
Where I work we are a core group of pilots that enjoy our time together, do 2 month pairings and get along!
Guys stop complaining! Take a minute and have a thought at those that are still flying hard in the bush some place, they are the real pilots here!
Time to wake up in Canada, help each other out and act like real gentlemen!
cheers
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TonySoprano? I must be missing something...
TonySoprano? I must be missing something...
"AC FO-ever!!"
And yes, yes I repent...Canada rules, AC rules, blah blah blah *yawn*
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I fly outside of Canada in a place where we have a good time; we work hard, get paid good money, and do not spend our lives complaining. And it’s not in the sand pit.
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Reading brucelees' posts (from way back) I really have to wonder how he made it through the psych tests...
Saying anything contra-AC is like pulling a trigger: instantaneous, predictable response from our resident psycho.
bl, seek help. Go to the doc, book off sick, take a holiday. You are not well enough to be flying anything.
Saying anything contra-AC is like pulling a trigger: instantaneous, predictable response from our resident psycho.
bl, seek help. Go to the doc, book off sick, take a holiday. You are not well enough to be flying anything.
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Ridiculous Thread (hijack) ...'Ex-pat' verse 'Stay at home' Pilot.
The guys I know who left Canada for off-shore jobs, mostly didn't have much choice. Company went broke, some had serious hang-ups about big Airplanes etc.
Each to their own. For me, watching (Coaching) my kids playing Hockey, actually walking to their School was worth it.
Verses..sending them off to a Boarding School and seeing them at Christmas and during the Summer, no thanks.
That being said, my 'A-scale' Cathay friends have certainly earned a lot more money.
Would I trade them, not for one second.
Sadly being an Airline Pilot in North America just isn't what it used to be. It is turning into a "Lunch Bucket" job.
Seeing Professional Airline Pilots carrying around those tacky little plastic Lunch Buckets makes me want to puke.
Threads like this prove that improvement is highly unlikely.
The guys I know who left Canada for off-shore jobs, mostly didn't have much choice. Company went broke, some had serious hang-ups about big Airplanes etc.
Each to their own. For me, watching (Coaching) my kids playing Hockey, actually walking to their School was worth it.
Verses..sending them off to a Boarding School and seeing them at Christmas and during the Summer, no thanks.
That being said, my 'A-scale' Cathay friends have certainly earned a lot more money.
Would I trade them, not for one second.
Sadly being an Airline Pilot in North America just isn't what it used to be. It is turning into a "Lunch Bucket" job.
Seeing Professional Airline Pilots carrying around those tacky little plastic Lunch Buckets makes me want to puke.
Threads like this prove that improvement is highly unlikely.
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What about those B-Scale CX guys hanging out in the LS of a 747 in YVR!?!?!? No one ever mentions those guys...I know their kids don't go to boarding school, and yeah, they make great money at 9-12 days a month.
Everyone does what's best for them, the grass isn't always greener, and some are luckier than others. I say this thread should die.
Everyone does what's best for them, the grass isn't always greener, and some are luckier than others. I say this thread should die.
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Could i just say that:
My wife and kids are happy, the children arent in a boarding school, I make lots of money, I dont have any 'issues' about leaving Canada, Ive never been interviewed by AC or WJ, I dont live in a 'sandpit', the company is good, ....
I hope I havent forgotten anything? Hard to believe?
Its a big world out there.......I dont believe I work for the best company......or live in the best country....when I do a stop over I appreciate what's around me. Whether its a coffee in Rome or a curry in India, the whole point is that its different. If I want to be insular I'd move to the US.
A truce? Any chance we can close the thread? Next time we meet in the bar, a few beers and a friendly chat. We can all learn from each other.
My wife and kids are happy, the children arent in a boarding school, I make lots of money, I dont have any 'issues' about leaving Canada, Ive never been interviewed by AC or WJ, I dont live in a 'sandpit', the company is good, ....
I hope I havent forgotten anything? Hard to believe?
Its a big world out there.......I dont believe I work for the best company......or live in the best country....when I do a stop over I appreciate what's around me. Whether its a coffee in Rome or a curry in India, the whole point is that its different. If I want to be insular I'd move to the US.
A truce? Any chance we can close the thread? Next time we meet in the bar, a few beers and a friendly chat. We can all learn from each other.
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Wee, I do live in the sandpit and love it, Spend lots of time boating, swimming and enjoying the sunny wx year round. My wife works and we make about $140,000/year combined - with no tax. I make good money and have the additional pleasure of sitting in the RS of a 340 flying to great destinations.
We pay part of the schooling and our son goes to one of the top 8 international schools in the world - the education is outstanding and puts our system at home to shame. It is a 7 minute walk to his school. We have a hockey league, albeit very small and he has been learning how to skate (though it is not Canada).
Between boating, swimming, sons hockey, soccer etc, socializing and the bank account I have no desire to work back in Canada. I would consider it if the after tax wages were the same but they are not. In fact, at this point there would have to be extra cash to bring me back because the lifestyle here is one I really enjoy.
It is simple. It works for some and not for others.
We pay part of the schooling and our son goes to one of the top 8 international schools in the world - the education is outstanding and puts our system at home to shame. It is a 7 minute walk to his school. We have a hockey league, albeit very small and he has been learning how to skate (though it is not Canada).
Between boating, swimming, sons hockey, soccer etc, socializing and the bank account I have no desire to work back in Canada. I would consider it if the after tax wages were the same but they are not. In fact, at this point there would have to be extra cash to bring me back because the lifestyle here is one I really enjoy.
It is simple. It works for some and not for others.
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Nice job ,great scenery,insulting ,disrespectfull wages,poor job security.Wouldn,t look in Canada they are probaly the worst treated pilots in the game.Volatile economic conditions soon will see lay -offs and many considering permanent career changes or divorce lawyers.However the less the new hirees know the better.Fly and don,t ask any questions and you won,t hear any lies.Overseas employment for a period of 15 years will see a pilot retire comfortably in BC no mortgage and cash offshore paying for the gas for the boat.Want a girl try the internet or go to Thailand
Pilots should have been included in the 1994 free-trade agreement that started the destruction of he country.
Not really anything good to say about Canada so I won,t say anything,except Good Luck.
Pilots should have been included in the 1994 free-trade agreement that started the destruction of he country.
Not really anything good to say about Canada so I won,t say anything,except Good Luck.
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Yes I have however I can get by in French,Spanish and Italian should the need arise,thankyou for bringing that "oh so ever sigificant" point to my attention.
Typically Canadian.
Typically Canadian.
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I have read this thread over and over again. BL has a way with being nasty it would seem. However, there are merits to what he says. This thread was to deal with the top job in Canada. It quickly evolved into a quorum of overseas pilots bashing their homeland and touting their own positions out of Canada. I don't think there is anything that comes even close to a real airline in this country as AC. Like it or not, there are great things about it. I won't get into it. Some of you will never agree it seems. After reading some of the comments, I have to wonder where does the real problem lie? Is it BL and his AC juice? Or is it that group of people who just hate AC? I think BL has hit some soft spots in some very large egos out there.
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Maybe read it again...it's not bashing Canada as you might think, it's bashing the low pay to start any flying job, which has never improved in 30 years...it's bashing the system. It sucks to start again, no matter what your experience, and it sucks that fellow pilots will skewer their best friend to get ahead by even one seniority number. Count the mergers and count the bodies...can you see an end to it? Stay if you can, but if there aren't any good choices,,,what would you do? Happy and comfy where I am thanks!
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...when it comes to flying for Canadian Carriers....they all suck!
$40,000 to start??! Are you kidding?
I hate to sound like an idiot here, but it's been that way for what? ...over 20 *kin' years.
Has anyone besides me noticed in that time salaries in just about every sector have gone up, the price of a car has gone up, the price of gas has gone up, the price of a home has gone up, the price of just about anything else you can think of has gone up. But these Canadian Carriers, such as they are, have their starting salaries gone up in keeping with EVERYTHING ELSE???? (rhetorical question)
Which one would I prefer to fly for? Not one of them!
which is why I don't.
(...and I hate those silly, immature WJ ads, they aren't even funny, besides, how many high school pep rallys could you stomach? oh yeah, and what's the difference between those and working at WJ? Nothing!)
... dat's da name of dat tune!
keep the blue side up (b) and get yer a** outta Canada as soon as you can!!!
(Go Sens go)
Willie
$40,000 to start??! Are you kidding?
I hate to sound like an idiot here, but it's been that way for what? ...over 20 *kin' years
. Has anyone besides me noticed in that time salaries in just about every sector have gone up, the price of a car has gone up, the price of gas has gone up, the price of a home has gone up, the price of just about anything else you can think of has gone up. But these Canadian Carriers, such as they are, have their starting salaries gone up in keeping with EVERYTHING ELSE???? (rhetorical question)
Which one would I prefer to fly for? Not one of them!
which is why I don't.(...and I hate those silly, immature WJ ads, they aren't even funny, besides, how many high school pep rallys could you stomach? oh yeah, and what's the difference between those and working at WJ? Nothing!
)... dat's da name of dat tune!
keep the blue side up (b) and get yer a** outta Canada as soon as you can!!!
(Go Sens go)
Willie
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cyow,
You are correct, this thread was initially to ask what would be the top job in Canada. But it is hardly a large logical leap for that to become a debate about what constitutes the best job for a Canadian pilot. Perhaps instead of musing as to what expat flying has to do with Air Canada/WestJet, you should ask yourself WHY such a question provokes such a large response. Somehow I don't think you would see the equivalent with other major national carriers...I have a hard time picturing say, British or Dutch pilots debating the merits of BA or KLM vs. overseas work! It's easy to dismiss it as "big egos" but from what I have seen most other expats are here because they were furloughed...yet Canadians leave Canada voluntarily. Including FROM Air Canada. Instead of writing it off as a bunch of pilots (pretty big bunch!) who couldn't make it in Canada, maybe ask yourself...why?
And if not desiring to work for crap wages and be taxed 50% or more on it is "bashing", then guess I'm guilty. I still love Canada, return several times a year...but after working alongside ex-AC guys, and listening to guys still there...it'll take more than the ranting of brucelee to convince me to come back. If anything, he only validates my decision and is the poster child for the AC stereotype.
In the end...to each their own. I guess I would just hate to see some starry-eyed wannabe pilots actually buy into the bs that AC/WJ are the end-all be-all...it's a big world once you leave the Great White North, don't limit yourself and be happy!
(Ducks 2 - Sens 0 heheh)
You are correct, this thread was initially to ask what would be the top job in Canada. But it is hardly a large logical leap for that to become a debate about what constitutes the best job for a Canadian pilot. Perhaps instead of musing as to what expat flying has to do with Air Canada/WestJet, you should ask yourself WHY such a question provokes such a large response. Somehow I don't think you would see the equivalent with other major national carriers...I have a hard time picturing say, British or Dutch pilots debating the merits of BA or KLM vs. overseas work! It's easy to dismiss it as "big egos" but from what I have seen most other expats are here because they were furloughed...yet Canadians leave Canada voluntarily. Including FROM Air Canada. Instead of writing it off as a bunch of pilots (pretty big bunch!) who couldn't make it in Canada, maybe ask yourself...why?
And if not desiring to work for crap wages and be taxed 50% or more on it is "bashing", then guess I'm guilty. I still love Canada, return several times a year...but after working alongside ex-AC guys, and listening to guys still there...it'll take more than the ranting of brucelee to convince me to come back. If anything, he only validates my decision and is the poster child for the AC stereotype.
In the end...to each their own. I guess I would just hate to see some starry-eyed wannabe pilots actually buy into the bs that AC/WJ are the end-all be-all...it's a big world once you leave the Great White North, don't limit yourself and be happy!
(Ducks 2 - Sens 0 heheh)
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I sense quite a bit of arrogance in you and you seem to have a real problem towards AC. The "AC stereopypes"? What do you know about most AC pilots? Do you even know any? Are you using BL to paint all AC pilots? By making such a statement you're only validating BL's sentiments. Look, I'm sure there are many canadian pilots who wouldn't mind working overseas and I bet there's a few expats (I know a few myself) who can't wait to come home. You can certainly defend both decisions. You want to help "some starry-eyed wanna be pilots"? Start your own thread on how great it is in your world. The topic here was quickly hijacked. We're just going in circles now. Accept the obvious, put away your ego and let's call it a day.
I sense quite a bit of arrogance in you and you seem to have a real problem towards AC. The "AC stereopypes"? What do you know about most AC pilots? Do you even know any? Are you using BL to paint all AC pilots? By making such a statement you're only validating BL's sentiments. Look, I'm sure there are many canadian pilots who wouldn't mind working overseas and I bet there's a few expats (I know a few myself) who can't wait to come home. You can certainly defend both decisions. You want to help "some starry-eyed wanna be pilots"? Start your own thread on how great it is in your world. The topic here was quickly hijacked. We're just going in circles now. Accept the obvious, put away your ego and let's call it a day.
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The best Carrier to work for in fairness ,for the not so informed,would be to recommend none.The probability is over 50% that your career choice be full of regret and hassle in a job which to my own disappointment is extremely boring,financially dis-appointing and full off unwelcome arrogance.Air Canada is a monopoly and has been so ever since it was originaly a crown corporation playing dirty underhanded tricks on every other operator in the country.The Air Canada gents that where fortunate enough to save the ass,s good for you.I do not think that a Canadian corporation has the desire to pay pilots in a country that has limited potential.The best thing to do is if you can manage it is build up some time and get a JAA license which is worth 100 times what a Canadian lisence is,then leave the country ASAP.
The day the US/Canada merge I may return with freedom of movement and employment.Until a regime change occurs and the ruling families of the great white north loose their grip on power I will gladly stay away from the draconian canadian aviation industry.Rude,insulting and disrespectfull and not a touch of class to be found.Good Luck
The day the US/Canada merge I may return with freedom of movement and employment.Until a regime change occurs and the ruling families of the great white north loose their grip on power I will gladly stay away from the draconian canadian aviation industry.Rude,insulting and disrespectfull and not a touch of class to be found.Good Luck
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Air Canada is a monopoly and has been so ever since it was originaly a crown corporation playing dirty underhanded tricks on every other operator in the country.