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So what do the Canadian crew think about this?
So what do the Canadian crew think about this?
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Hilar...
I think it's hilarious, first of all, I wouldn't let junior with 4000 hours land on a windy day, let alone command a widebody over the high seas.
Second, if I had a nickel for every two bit operator who envisioned this that or the other airplane, i wouldn't have to fly at all.
Godspeed.
Second, if I had a nickel for every two bit operator who envisioned this that or the other airplane, i wouldn't have to fly at all.
Godspeed.
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ahh Dear Sir but it's a different world over here in the old countries,
I came with 1300 odd hrs mostly single straight onto a med t prop, then with 1900 odd rhs 737 then with just over 5000 lhs 737 it's been good fun landing at LHR during some windy days. Fly the bus now and that's even more fun(sic)
I came with 1300 odd hrs mostly single straight onto a med t prop, then with 1900 odd rhs 737 then with just over 5000 lhs 737 it's been good fun landing at LHR during some windy days. Fly the bus now and that's even more fun(sic)
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<I wouldn't let junior with 4000 hours land on a windy day, let alone command a widebody over the high seas.
Second, if I had a nickel for every two bit operator >
about the number of hours I had when BOAC let me command a bootiful 707 on its worldwide routes - don't think I'd have called BOAC a two bit operator!
a bit of arrogance perchance mon brave!!!
Second, if I had a nickel for every two bit operator >
about the number of hours I had when BOAC let me command a bootiful 707 on its worldwide routes - don't think I'd have called BOAC a two bit operator!
a bit of arrogance perchance mon brave!!!
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Please remember that here in Canada the experience levels are quite a bit higher. There are a ton of pilots for airlines to pick from and therefore don't need to hire low time guys. Air Canada, Jazz, and Westjet are all hiring at this time and the majority of the guys getting on have at least 4000-5000hrs. Thats for an entry level airline job (rhs Dash-8, CRJ, EB190 or B737) I personally know of guys that have almost 9000 hrs and are still in the RHS of a CRJ!! A big difference from the rest of the world.
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are there any canadian cabin crew that come on here who work for Zoom?
i've just applied for the Uk london gatwick base and would like to know roughly how much you earn as main cabin crew? do you get quite a lot of commission, or is all commission just based on duty free products?
any info would be greatly appreciated! or PM me if you prefer!
Thanks
i've just applied for the Uk london gatwick base and would like to know roughly how much you earn as main cabin crew? do you get quite a lot of commission, or is all commission just based on duty free products?
any info would be greatly appreciated! or PM me if you prefer!
Thanks
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"Please remember that here in Canada the experience levels are quite a bit higher. There are a ton of pilots for airlines to pick from and therefore don't need to hire low time guys. Air Canada, Jazz, and Westjet are all hiring at this time and the majority of the guys getting on have at least 4000-5000hrs. Thats for an entry level airline job (rhs Dash-8, CRJ, EB190 or B737)"
BCF: you are correct, it takes a lot of hours in Canada but may I had that the numbers does not tell the full story...How many times did those individuals come up with Towing banner time, instructing in a 150 !!!! For a few years I flew with a lot of these folks and while some were good pilot with excellent attitude, I found many that were not equip with the minimum common sense to ride a bicycle...But they had 3000 hrs and more .Bottom line is that in Canada ( and USA) the idea of a good experience pilot comes with a big number attached to it....Unfortunately they should also pay attention to what king of flying it is and in what conditions.....With all this new technology around, 2000 hrs of flying a Beaver or towing banner does nothing to equip an individual to fly an Airline job...Nothing wrong with all different type of experience but each have a specific objective and they don't automatically add up for total experience in a EFIS Jet.
" I think it's hilarious, first of all, I wouldn't let junior with 4000 hours land on a windy day, let alone command a widebody over the high seas.
Second, if I had a nickel for every two bit operator who envisioned this that or the other airplane, i wouldn't have to fly at all." Le soixante neuf
Comments made like those of Mr 69 illustrate this sense of frustration from
some of this pseudo professionnels bunch......
Safe flying to all
D.V.
BCF: you are correct, it takes a lot of hours in Canada but may I had that the numbers does not tell the full story...How many times did those individuals come up with Towing banner time, instructing in a 150 !!!! For a few years I flew with a lot of these folks and while some were good pilot with excellent attitude, I found many that were not equip with the minimum common sense to ride a bicycle...But they had 3000 hrs and more .Bottom line is that in Canada ( and USA) the idea of a good experience pilot comes with a big number attached to it....Unfortunately they should also pay attention to what king of flying it is and in what conditions.....With all this new technology around, 2000 hrs of flying a Beaver or towing banner does nothing to equip an individual to fly an Airline job...Nothing wrong with all different type of experience but each have a specific objective and they don't automatically add up for total experience in a EFIS Jet.
" I think it's hilarious, first of all, I wouldn't let junior with 4000 hours land on a windy day, let alone command a widebody over the high seas.
Second, if I had a nickel for every two bit operator who envisioned this that or the other airplane, i wouldn't have to fly at all." Le soixante neuf
Comments made like those of Mr 69 illustrate this sense of frustration from
some of this pseudo professionnels bunch......
Safe flying to all
D.V.
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Zoom,Zoom Zooom.....
Hello Folks,
Just heard a real live rumour that one of the Zoom Canada B767-300's are going to Zoom UK for the summer.....with the possibility of another to follow in the fall!?!?
Is this the beginning of the end for Zoom Canada!?
Another Canadian charter might be biting the dust!?
.......ahhhh, good old Canadian aviation!
Just heard a real live rumour that one of the Zoom Canada B767-300's are going to Zoom UK for the summer.....with the possibility of another to follow in the fall!?!?
Is this the beginning of the end for Zoom Canada!? Another Canadian charter might be biting the dust!?
.......ahhhh, good old Canadian aviation!
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[quote=rwethereyet;3067044]Hello Folks,
Just heard a real live rumour that one of the Zoom Canada B767-300's are going to Zoom UK for the summer.....
just wondering what a "real live rumour" is and if it has any relation to a rumour or fake dead rumour....
Just heard a real live rumour that one of the Zoom Canada B767-300's are going to Zoom UK for the summer.....
just wondering what a "real live rumour" is and if it has any relation to a rumour or fake dead rumour....
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[QUOTE=roundtheworld123;3082111]Its a dead rumour. They got there own 767-300 from a European carrier out of Spain.
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Just curious. Is there any other industry other than aviation in which people get really giddy when they think that someone else will be taking a pay cut or perhaps will be losing thier job. What the F(&(
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If "pilots" stood together and avoided working for deadbeat airlines ( not specifying any particular airline) and tried to maintain some kind of basic starting salary commensurate with experience (like most still self respecting professions), then we would not be having this conversation...would we!?
People would not get "giddy" at the prospect of others taking paycuts or job losses if they didn't give the opportunity to deadbeat airlines (worldwide) management to take advantage (more like preying) on "naive" newbie/optionless pilots.
. And sad to say but the truth of the matter is that the guys who take the paycuts and job cuts bring it onto themselves in the first place
!!So it's not a question of WTF but rather who gives a f*%# and if more pilots worldwide would give a f*%# then we would not be having this conversation!
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rwethereyet, what is a deadbeat airline? I am guessing your definition of one is simply any airline that is not a so called flag carrier or one that does not pay half a mill the first year and give you 364 sick days the make you work more than 3 hours on the 365th. I am not naive to the state of our profession it is certainly not what alot of us had hoped for. That being said I do think it is naive to solely blame the airlines for all of our problems. I don't have to tell you or anyone for that matter that the world has changed in recent years. The market is now a global one. And of course with that comes great competition. I agree that some airlines leave much to be desired but, when a "flag carrier" is paying bag tossers 75k a year or has an enormous amount of it's emloyee's sitting around collecting paychecks doing nothing, then poping in and out of bankruptcy protection when ever it suits them. I would not be so quick to blame those who have maybe found a more efficient way of doing things. Ask someone in the auto sector. American auto makers have slashed thousands of jobs in recent years and there will be more to come. Would you call Nissan or Toyota or Kia deadbeat automakers. Probably not, I'm guessing an American autoworker would.
To your other point on will I or will I not fly for food. What do you suggest to those pilots who have not gotten on with a "flag carrier" slit their wrists and call it a day. Change careers. You do realize that people have bills to pay. That's not to say we should work for free or get pissed on, and certainly I know you don't believe that the major airlines only hire the best. So in the end I know what I will do. I will continue to fly. I will continue to enjoy it and I will continue to feed my kids and give them the best I can. And I will also strive to make my profession a better one instead of whining about how the discount carriers have screwed the industry over.
To your other point on will I or will I not fly for food. What do you suggest to those pilots who have not gotten on with a "flag carrier" slit their wrists and call it a day. Change careers. You do realize that people have bills to pay. That's not to say we should work for free or get pissed on, and certainly I know you don't believe that the major airlines only hire the best. So in the end I know what I will do. I will continue to fly. I will continue to enjoy it and I will continue to feed my kids and give them the best I can. And I will also strive to make my profession a better one instead of whining about how the discount carriers have screwed the industry over.
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Discount carriers are a result a of customer demand and the owners of these carriers supplying that demand with hopes to make money. Nothing wrong with that except our profession as it use to be will never again be the the same. It seems if you work for Walmart you accept it and defend your actions while the rest of us dream of better days. We are our own worst enemies. Thanks guys. Keep up the good work(?)....