Westjet: No injuries when 737’s wing hits runway
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Holy crap you guys are like a bunch under sexed middle aged woman at the Bay's boxing day sale. Settle the F%^! down!
Nobody got hurt, the aircraft was damaged and TC will settle it in time. If the pilots were to blame then the crew and some WJ management will have to face the music. End of story.
Why do you AC/WJ guys have to be at each others throats all the time? It is pathetic. The WJ guys have done their share of gloating in the past as AC faultered but I must admit there are some seriously arrogant cun%!'s spouting off from AC as the carrier appears to be pulling itself out of the nose dive that missed the ground by a hair.
The two carriers are competitors and neither is going anywhere soon. WJ and AC will grow and keep each other honest. Competition will increase for both carriers as open skies develop. There are some heavy hitters out there that if given the chance will grab market share from both carriers.
Instead of scrapping and acting like idiots why don't you respect each other and go at it together. Virgin Atlantic dragged an engine down the runway at LHR a while back and although it made the news/forums etc., mutual respect was maintained and everyone moved on. Job done.
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Nobody got hurt, the aircraft was damaged and TC will settle it in time. If the pilots were to blame then the crew and some WJ management will have to face the music. End of story.
Why do you AC/WJ guys have to be at each others throats all the time? It is pathetic. The WJ guys have done their share of gloating in the past as AC faultered but I must admit there are some seriously arrogant cun%!'s spouting off from AC as the carrier appears to be pulling itself out of the nose dive that missed the ground by a hair.
The two carriers are competitors and neither is going anywhere soon. WJ and AC will grow and keep each other honest. Competition will increase for both carriers as open skies develop. There are some heavy hitters out there that if given the chance will grab market share from both carriers.
Instead of scrapping and acting like idiots why don't you respect each other and go at it together. Virgin Atlantic dragged an engine down the runway at LHR a while back and although it made the news/forums etc., mutual respect was maintained and everyone moved on. Job done.
Happy New Year
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A bit more stirring... 
Probably more accurately: Why do you CP/WJ guys have to be at each others' throats all the time?
Why do you AC/WJ guys have to be at each others throats all the time?
Jumpy:
"Maybe you should ask why ACPA is preventing the full implementation of FOQA for fear of recrimination and punishment."
I don't think it is ACPA that is holding up full implementation of FOQA. If you are in a position to read any of the posts that Don Hudson has made (I don't think he posts here in PPrune) on FOQA I think you would agree that ACPA is not the holdup.
Don, btw is one of the prime movers on the ACPA side of the program and his posts on the subject are well worth reading.
"Maybe you should ask why ACPA is preventing the full implementation of FOQA for fear of recrimination and punishment."
I don't think it is ACPA that is holding up full implementation of FOQA. If you are in a position to read any of the posts that Don Hudson has made (I don't think he posts here in PPrune) on FOQA I think you would agree that ACPA is not the holdup.
Don, btw is one of the prime movers on the ACPA side of the program and his posts on the subject are well worth reading.
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Hey Paperboy...
Care to explain your comment? Talk about adding fuel to an already stupid fire...yours is only ignorant and shows just how much you really know about the thread...
HNY
Care to explain your comment? Talk about adding fuel to an already stupid fire...yours is only ignorant and shows just how much you really know about the thread...
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CanAV8R you got it right.
"Holy crap you guys are like a bunch under sexed middle aged woman at the Bay's boxing day sale. Settle the F%^! down!"
So back to the question then...what would the bank angle have to be to scrape a wing tip? And would weather be a contributing factor?
Anyone have any new information?
S
"Holy crap you guys are like a bunch under sexed middle aged woman at the Bay's boxing day sale. Settle the F%^! down!"
So back to the question then...what would the bank angle have to be to scrape a wing tip? And would weather be a contributing factor?
Anyone have any new information?
S
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Looks like some new restrictions might be coming down the pike:
Alaska Airlines reports jet wing touched runway
http://www.thenewstribune.com/busine...-4903285c.html
Alaska Airlines reports jet wing touched runway
http://www.thenewstribune.com/busine...-4903285c.html
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"Jumpy:
"Maybe you should ask why ACPA is preventing the full implementation of FOQA for fear of recrimination and punishment."
I don't think it is ACPA that is holding up full implementation of FOQA. If you are in a position to read any of the posts that Don Hudson has made (I don't think he posts here in PPrune) on FOQA I think you would agree that ACPA is not the holdup.
Don, btw is one of the prime movers on the ACPA side of the program and his posts on the subject are well worth reading."
Fair enough...I was originally annoyed at the thread stating that WJ pilots were a bunch of cowboys and was defending the safety implementation and the equivelant at Air Canada. While I can only defend our policies I cannot state for fact what AC's reasons for not implementing an equal level of FOQA and would be interested in finiding out the difficulties in starting the program from Don.....
"Maybe you should ask why ACPA is preventing the full implementation of FOQA for fear of recrimination and punishment."
I don't think it is ACPA that is holding up full implementation of FOQA. If you are in a position to read any of the posts that Don Hudson has made (I don't think he posts here in PPrune) on FOQA I think you would agree that ACPA is not the holdup.
Don, btw is one of the prime movers on the ACPA side of the program and his posts on the subject are well worth reading."
Fair enough...I was originally annoyed at the thread stating that WJ pilots were a bunch of cowboys and was defending the safety implementation and the equivelant at Air Canada. While I can only defend our policies I cannot state for fact what AC's reasons for not implementing an equal level of FOQA and would be interested in finiding out the difficulties in starting the program from Don.....
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Re: Westjet: No injuries when 737’s wing hits runway
Hey Paperboy, Why do you say CP/WJ....the guy that posted the original posting about AC/WJ going at it all the time, is an original AC guy. No CP background.
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Sorry to be a bore...but still no answer from the "tecchies" about wing tip clearances...as for paperboy, seems like he poked his nose in, and then ran away after bleating out his silly statement...PAPERBOY...GO TO YOUR ROOM!
Your attempt at pot stirring was amateur...
Your attempt at pot stirring was amateur...
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Re: Westjet: No injuries when 737’s wing hits runway
When are you WJ folks going to get some accountability for your actions?
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Re: Westjet: No injuries when 737’s wing hits runway
Originally Posted by STC
I certainly hope this remark didn't come from an Air Canada employee. You know. The airline that single handedly destroyed the Canadian airline industry.
Another amateur pot stirrer at least papertiger had some history to the remark...
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Re: Westjet: No injuries when 737’s wing hits runway
Tan, have you been living under a rock? Or are you another brainwashed AC employee?
Air Canada burst on to the scene in the 80s as a brand new private company with NO DEBT and tons of assets.
Through predatory pricing they managed to kill off all of the competition while offering seats at below cost. They continued until they were 12 billion (or more) in debt and bereft of assets at which time the airline industry in Canada was in ruins. Then they emerged from bankruptcy after some restructuring and are starting all over again.
And what exactly happened to that 12 billion? Do you guys ever wonder about that? It was "absorbed" by creditors. Translation, people who chose to do business with AC payed for it.
As far as I can tell so far, Westjet pays their bills. They are a good neighbor to Canadian business. Air Canada is poison in contrast and I would recommend COD if you do anything for them.
Air Canada burst on to the scene in the 80s as a brand new private company with NO DEBT and tons of assets.
Through predatory pricing they managed to kill off all of the competition while offering seats at below cost. They continued until they were 12 billion (or more) in debt and bereft of assets at which time the airline industry in Canada was in ruins. Then they emerged from bankruptcy after some restructuring and are starting all over again.
And what exactly happened to that 12 billion? Do you guys ever wonder about that? It was "absorbed" by creditors. Translation, people who chose to do business with AC payed for it.
Great culture you got, it seems to come from the top..
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STC
You sure have a bent, twisted and inaccurate take on Canadian aviation. Folks like you are best left to stew in their own poison.
You sure have a bent, twisted and inaccurate take on Canadian aviation. Folks like you are best left to stew in their own poison.
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Re: Westjet: No injuries when 737’s wing hits runway
Well I will add that in fact when those responsible for the AC tango concept were presenting it to AC and it's managers when asked "will we make money"
they answered "no but we will lose less."
they answered "no but we will lose less."
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Re: Westjet: No injuries when 737’s wing hits runway
Originally Posted by in limbo
Well I will add that in fact when those responsible for the AC tango concept were presenting it to AC and it's managers when asked "will we make money"
they answered "no but we will lose less."
they answered "no but we will lose less."
By the way AC didn’t have to resort to corporate espionage to achieve it either.
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