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Other than the obvious, this has been the very best thread that I have read or seen in years! It's so nice to see posative aspects on a avaition forum!
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brucelee,
I don't agree with the name calling, it just brings people and topics down to an ugly level and there's just no need for it. You can find arrogant people in any company or in any industry and they show themselves for who they are, as for the rest of us at least the ones with a half of brain can spot them a mile away and have learned to steer clear. Bloody hell, we're suppose to be professionals, there are some poeple out there who need to learn that we all share the same passion regardless of the uniform! I've been painted with the same brush by others who judge me for where I live and as always I ask them if they can say it to my face.....they never seem to want to..........hmmm. End result, I do not need to waste my time or energy on them. What I do find interesting however is that after the points have been made or issues have been proven that we do not hear from these critics again......that alone should tell others what type of characters we're dealing with.
I have been hearing and working on other company threads as well but it seems that no one else is willing or able to offer up information, too bad, it would be nice.
I don't agree with the name calling, it just brings people and topics down to an ugly level and there's just no need for it. You can find arrogant people in any company or in any industry and they show themselves for who they are, as for the rest of us at least the ones with a half of brain can spot them a mile away and have learned to steer clear. Bloody hell, we're suppose to be professionals, there are some poeple out there who need to learn that we all share the same passion regardless of the uniform! I've been painted with the same brush by others who judge me for where I live and as always I ask them if they can say it to my face.....they never seem to want to..........hmmm. End result, I do not need to waste my time or energy on them. What I do find interesting however is that after the points have been made or issues have been proven that we do not hear from these critics again......that alone should tell others what type of characters we're dealing with.
I have been hearing and working on other company threads as well but it seems that no one else is willing or able to offer up information, too bad, it would be nice.
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OK, OK, I've thrown my share of crap into the forum...my appologies...Bruce and Inuksuk are definitely doing a good job of keeping us informed...they also seem to be bringing up the moral of this forum too...
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Actually, I just read some of my own posts on this forum and they are, well, not exactly friendly either...so I stand head bowed in shame...
Anyways, the latest news from the hiring rumour mill is as follows - I was flying with the equivalent of an "oracle" last night -
- Projections on retirals over next 4 years means the hiring is being ramped up for both expansion and natural wastage. There is panic in them thar hills about keeping up with demand.
- The old fuddy duddys will migrate off the line and bolster training, as it is stretched even now
- Pool first, then new hires. Outside screening first, but the agency knows NOTHING about flight crew. Bite your tongue during the first screening...
- There is a tech questionniare, but nothing no-one's not done before. AC Procedures gets the test after you're in
- With the growth of the long hauls with 777 then 787, lots of RP jobs
- A320 fleet is rumoured to reduce in size, and EMB F/O therefore the choice job
- Medical same as TC right now, but AC reserves the right to have its own standards. Understand this is being looked at again...
- Bias at first screen towards professional aviation programme
- Min requirments on the web to be ignored, as they will vary depending on individuals
- Lots of debate out there in corporate image land about the groovy new flight deck uniforms under consideration. Let's hope no checked shirts or mountie hats.
Right, I'm off for a beer, and some ice for the ass after the internal exam
Let's hope none of you new guys coming in get the Greek nurse...be afraid, very afraid.
Anyways, the latest news from the hiring rumour mill is as follows - I was flying with the equivalent of an "oracle" last night -
- Projections on retirals over next 4 years means the hiring is being ramped up for both expansion and natural wastage. There is panic in them thar hills about keeping up with demand.
- The old fuddy duddys will migrate off the line and bolster training, as it is stretched even now
- Pool first, then new hires. Outside screening first, but the agency knows NOTHING about flight crew. Bite your tongue during the first screening...
- There is a tech questionniare, but nothing no-one's not done before. AC Procedures gets the test after you're in
- With the growth of the long hauls with 777 then 787, lots of RP jobs
- A320 fleet is rumoured to reduce in size, and EMB F/O therefore the choice job
- Medical same as TC right now, but AC reserves the right to have its own standards. Understand this is being looked at again...
- Bias at first screen towards professional aviation programme
- Min requirments on the web to be ignored, as they will vary depending on individuals
- Lots of debate out there in corporate image land about the groovy new flight deck uniforms under consideration. Let's hope no checked shirts or mountie hats.
Right, I'm off for a beer, and some ice for the ass after the internal exam
Let's hope none of you new guys coming in get the Greek nurse...be afraid, very afraid.
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Hiring
Got the call last Thursday - off to YYZ next week for medical and file-review. Things are finally starting to pick up!
TORONTO LEC NEWSLETTER 2005 #10
May 13th, 2005
FURLOUGHS, RECALLS AND HIRING
There are still 79 pilots on furlough.
The Company has advised that they expect to have offered all remaining furlough pilots the ability to recall within the next few months. Your representatives have been pressing hard for the Company to live up to the verbal (and in some cases written) commitments to the furloughed pilots to grant a LOA at the time of recall to fulfill commitments they made to their current employers. While progress has been made, we still have no final agreement from the Company on this issue and the Recall Protocol remains incomplete.
It should also be noted that Company officials have indicated to us that we will likely be hiring 600 pilots in the next year and will likely run a new hire course as early as July.
TORONTO LEC NEWSLETTER 2005 #10
May 13th, 2005
FURLOUGHS, RECALLS AND HIRING
There are still 79 pilots on furlough.
The Company has advised that they expect to have offered all remaining furlough pilots the ability to recall within the next few months. Your representatives have been pressing hard for the Company to live up to the verbal (and in some cases written) commitments to the furloughed pilots to grant a LOA at the time of recall to fulfill commitments they made to their current employers. While progress has been made, we still have no final agreement from the Company on this issue and the Recall Protocol remains incomplete.
It should also be noted that Company officials have indicated to us that we will likely be hiring 600 pilots in the next year and will likely run a new hire course as early as July.
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Inuksuk is right on this one...
CSA Czech Airlines bought a bunch of new A320's and has to fill the gap right now with some used ones. Rumor has it that some will be coming from Air Canada. Given the past history of our acquisitions, which usually arrived held together by speed tape and a prayer, I am impressed. No more waiting a couple years to get the sand out of the cockpit.
Dang, rubber glove treatment... the old bend over and let me tickle yer tonsils bit, eh? Now there is a reason for my blood pressure to go ballistic! I'll lay off the salt if they lay off the latex.
A320 fleet is rumoured to reduce in size, and EMB F/O therefore the choice job
Dang, rubber glove treatment... the old bend over and let me tickle yer tonsils bit, eh? Now there is a reason for my blood pressure to go ballistic! I'll lay off the salt if they lay off the latex.
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Inuksuk,
Just when I thought this thread was dead, more awesome info.
Like I mentioned before, I received an email from the company requesting to update my e-application. From what I understand, not everyone received the same email. I can only keep my fingers crossed that that is a good sign.
I have well over the "min" hours stated on the website (4300), with a fair chunk of ME turbine >12.5 time. I am daydreaming about an interview by the fall.
I went to an professional aviation programme (and graduated), and managed to complete a degree as well. I am hoping that will help me get to the interview. I'm only 31 too.
It sounds like the first interview with the HR contractor will be the wild card. Be interesting to hear some feedback from the first interviewees.
RP on a heavy would be awesome. Get to see some new parts of the world that I havn't seen before and I suspect there would be a fair bit of time off, too.
Just when I thought this thread was dead, more awesome info.
Like I mentioned before, I received an email from the company requesting to update my e-application. From what I understand, not everyone received the same email. I can only keep my fingers crossed that that is a good sign.
I have well over the "min" hours stated on the website (4300), with a fair chunk of ME turbine >12.5 time. I am daydreaming about an interview by the fall.
I went to an professional aviation programme (and graduated), and managed to complete a degree as well. I am hoping that will help me get to the interview. I'm only 31 too.
It sounds like the first interview with the HR contractor will be the wild card. Be interesting to hear some feedback from the first interviewees.
RP on a heavy would be awesome. Get to see some new parts of the world that I havn't seen before and I suspect there would be a fair bit of time off, too.
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Does anyone know if second officer time is considered by AC towards total time or is it worthless. I am led to believe that Westjet counts it as half time so I wasn't sure if AC does.
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Boeing727. S/O time does not count but they do consider the position to have some value. As I have stated in previous threads, you will not be hired because of one thing alone. Rather they look at the overall package.
Inuk. Better the greek nurse than old man Dr. T.
Inuk. Better the greek nurse than old man Dr. T.
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My guess is that Air Canada ISN'T getting the experienced pilots applying that it needs to expand. The starting salary and initial working conditions are enough of a deterrent that they are looking to the connectors to fill the gap in that expereince level. I for one couldn't make the jump due to family and financial reasons and have turned down the file review and medical (after 4+ years in the "pool"). I'm sure that many are in the same boat and that is why global solutions are back on. Embraer captain went to 1999 which is enlightening because thay haven't hired since 2001. I'm sure that we'll see a situation like we did around 1996 when AC was hiring direct entry captains and they went to the connectors to get that experience........again good luck to all at AC. I'm wishing that one day you'll all be a happy family again.
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It's tough for new guys coming on, of that there is no
doubt, and I had a long chat with a management guy about the hiring plans, and he admitted that they are very worried, because the demand is outstripping the supply of candidates that fit the "bill". In fact, "panic" is not too strong a word for it.
In my humble opinion, we need to make it more attractive...and after my many years in a safe block, I feel privileged not to have been too badly affected by AC's trials and tribulations and will help anyone who wants in through the red and white door as much as I can. Brucelee feels the same....
PM me for specific info...
doubt, and I had a long chat with a management guy about the hiring plans, and he admitted that they are very worried, because the demand is outstripping the supply of candidates that fit the "bill". In fact, "panic" is not too strong a word for it.
In my humble opinion, we need to make it more attractive...and after my many years in a safe block, I feel privileged not to have been too badly affected by AC's trials and tribulations and will help anyone who wants in through the red and white door as much as I can. Brucelee feels the same....
PM me for specific info...