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Old 23rd Jun 2002, 13:14
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In regards to your comments CINO AND STEVE

I can detect a slight sign of bitterness and utter jelousy.

Cino, im sorry but you must be way past your youthful years..with such anger oozing through your words. What was it, you tried with Virgin and couldnt get through??

Was it that your looks had deteriorated?Or is it just simply that they seen such bitchiness and pettiness in your attitude? Its people like you who ARENT suited for virgin.

Sweetheart, read my words CLEARLY without getting so bitterly defensive!

And as for you Steve..you sound very gay..another bitch in the back galley.

Cannot handle the fact that VB are succeeding, have beautiful FA's and enjoy having fun at work? Is it the fact that you werent given such an opportunity that you feel resentful?

GUYS...chill out!!! And find something significant to say or say nothing at all. What people have done prior, is simply their perogative. What is your prior experience CINO and Steve?

Cino bet you were flipping burgers before you found salvation, and Steve, would hate to think what you were doing !

Love you guys...no hard feelings i hope

ciao
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To quote someone who sounds like they may have been a lap dancer in the prior employment.

"Lets face it, its not brian surgery to learn such a job....4 weeks is all it takes and no prior experience as an advantage...."

VB Employs mostly based on age and looks, anyone can do the song and dance required for the interview.

BUT JUST wait till there is an Mid Air Emergency BOY will Ansett People be appreciated then!!! Don't think for one minute that it can never happen to you because it can.

Australia has the best air safety record in the world, but even the best have had incidents and the reason they where not classed as accidents is that the staff were proffessional and managed the situations to avoid additional problems.

VB is lacking in this depth of knowledge within the cabin crew. So you should thank Ansett for all the training they put into their staff, and how lucky you are to be able to employ them. If they pass comment on your methods, it may be, their having a bad day OR maybe if you took notice, it may be about an improvement you had not thought of or been aware of.

Safety is an issue some of you put out babies overlook and you can't be good at it, in 4 weeks.


The age group that VB employs tend to think that they know it all, but one day you'll grow up and learn that each age group adds Knowledge and in-site to the mix.
SO give Ansett staff a break and you may enjoy the mix if your open minded enough.
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Wow, some people really know how to bring down the tone of a forum!

I am so tired of people slagging of VB f/a’s. To those who run around these forums sprouting things about the ‘unprofessional’ antics of VB f/a’s (e.g. SteveMelb and his neighbour’s life jacket demonstration tale), either inform VB and CASA re. your concerns through the correct channels, or keep it to yourself. What do you think writing your concerns on this forum is going to do? I personally like to read them, but what do you think posting them here is actually going to achieve? Furthermore, maybe people should actually pay attention to the old adage, ‘take everything with a grain of salt’. Most people’s concerns about VB are second hand, hearsay, dare I say it, gossip. As in SteveMelb’s case, his information comes from his neighbour. What next? My second cousin’s auntie’s boyfriend’s uncle (through marriage) was on a VB flight recently and blah blah blah happened. Also, people always accompany their very serious VB ‘safety related concerns’ with some derogatory comment about the ‘blonde bimbo of an f/a’ - which from my perspective, does nothing to substantiate and support your case. Rather, people who do this come across looking very insecure.

To those who are brandishing Exotic Temptress a bimbo -

… if you took the time to read her posts, you would actually realise she comes across as a very articulate person. Her spelling is virtually immaculate, her comments concise and worthwhile. Not the bimbo many would have us believe. And also, those that are rudely saying that Exotic Temptress is some sort ‘harlequin’ just because of her name, and are crudely saying that because of her nickname she “fits the VB mould”, grow up. It is a name, not a biography.

Sorry for the length and general ranting of my post, but I have been lurking around these forums for many a month and have a lot to say. I am slowly seeing the dynamics and structure of this forum deteriorate from one in which people posted info about recruitment, helped others with contacts, interviews and so on to a virtual slagging match. Everyone is welcome, but you have to accept the opinions of others and move on.

Thanks.
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At the risk of getting flamed, as I usually do when I poke my head up in this forum, I'll add my two penn'th as a VFF, just in case anyone here is interested in the customers' perspective.

I agree with Cino2Go that if I was going to be in an emergency evacuation I would rather I was on BA or Qantas than Cathay, Singapore or Virgin Express (to pick some names at random). I can't justify this statistically - it is just a perception (plus the anecdotal evidence from the SQ006 case in Taipei).

However. despite this "we are here primarily for your safety" ethos which is drilled (quite rightly) into all cabin crew, I fear that most pax do not chose their carrier solely or even primarily on these grounds.

In my mind, the first criterion is a basic safety "hurdle"... which is a perception-based judgement under which I feel an airline is safe enough, or it isn't. Currently, of the airlines I might fly, China Airlines, Korean Airlines, Garuda and Air India fail this hurdle, and all the others pass. There is also an equipment-type hurdle, which MD11 and DC-10 currently fail (i.e. I won't fly on them) and all other Boeing, Airbus, Embraerer (sp?), BAe etc. pass, although I have a preference for going trans-oceanic with four engines rather than two.

After that, safety becomes a very small factor in the equation. Much more important are: the overall pleasantness of the experience (from check-in, security, through lounges, and onboard), the price, and whether I get (the right brand of) airmiles!

When all this is taken into account I prefer OneWorld, with Cathay at the top, followed by BA, QF and AA. The cabin crew on CX are more consistently pleasant, cheerful and efficient than the others, who on a good day can be great, but on a bad day can be awful.

I haven't tried Virgin Blue, but if it is anything like Virgin Express in Europe then I am unlikely to, for the simple reason that there was only one seat on their 737s into which someone of 6'3" can fit. This is by far a more significant issue than a small increase or decrease in the likely survivability of a very, very low probability incident.
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Just to put my 2 bob's worth in, I happen to know Exotic and she is not what you have been describing, as a typical DJ FA. She isn't 6 feet, blonde, blue eyed airhead. She is a very nice person and is competent in her job, so if you don't mind, judge the person, not the collective group.
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OK so.. the old Ansett hags would be better in an emergency evac. Can some one please advise me of how they arrived at this conclusion. Just how many REAL emergency evacs did they carry out? Anyone can freeze when the event happens. Check the facts guys, whether somebody freezes or not has got absolutely no bearing on age or experience (by that I mean hours flown).

Oh by the way, I believe Virgin Blue currently hold the record for an emergency evac of a 737 under CASA's scrutiny I might add.
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Exotic Temp -

Your obviously not just a dumb bimbo but a homophobic one... Did they teach you that at bimbo training school or were you just born that way. Whether or not I am gay or whatever I may have done in the past has NOTHING to do with my coments.

As for your coment regarding me being resentfull for not getting the same oportunity, you could not be further from the truth! I have NO ambition to ever join an airline such as VB, with there bimbo culture. Before you say that I am not good looking enough (bimbo mentality), that could also be not further than the truth. Besides why would I want to work for an airline with conditions and salary I could earn flipping burgers in McDonalds?? Thats probably one reason they take bimbo's!!!!!
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Old 24th Jun 2002, 15:43
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Cino2go/Stevemelb

The both of you would not by any chance be the
former posters Michael Stipe and Sonique using
new nics would you? At any rate both of you
have no idea whatsoever about Virgin Blue cabin
crew training, You are trying to tell readers
here that CASA have no input into this training!,
you are dead wrong, the 4-5 week course is every
bit as intense as QF and AN when it was about,
and the Virgin Blue cabin crew are as safe as
any other F/As flying in Australia.

As for ex Ansett F/As in VB complaining (not all)
is sadly very very true, the current class has
no ex Ansett F/As at all, and from what I hear
VB are not to keen to try any more, these selfish
people have ruined it for their ex AN mates.

The facts are the flying Australian public have
accepted Virgin Blue with their new aircraft, even
though they have had to use inadequate terminals
at different airports which will soon be solved
when the move to Ansett terminals is complete,
so carry on spitting your vile and bull**** as
Virgin Blue is the new kid on the block and is
doing very nicely thankyou, and God help the
airline that ever gets either of you with the
attitude you have.
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Old 25th Jun 2002, 00:59
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The other day at work I had a gentleman walk into my bar. He was wearing an old shirt that looked like he had been painting in, a pair of King Gees that were a touch too tight and an old pair of Dunlop sandshoes. He spoke in a way that todays society sees as being "uneducated", and made a small comment about the price of beer rising since the last time he had been there.

Have we all made our assumptions..........................


Well in fact this gentleman happens to own his own (very successful) company, donates heavily to the local charities and I even saw him patiently helping an elder lady work out how to use one of the pokie machines.

How many of you would have judged the book by its cover?????
------------------------------------

Come on peoples just because the cabin crew at Virgin are good looking and see both their life and their work as something to be enjoyed doesn't make them 'bimbo's' and ''tarts' as they have been decribed.

Lets just stop the Virgin Blue bashing here!!!!
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Ok now this is getting quite funny every one is chewing every ones ear. You know that companies love this because now you will erode each others conditions in order to out do each other.

Rember you are all Cabin Crew, accept that some come to your airline with experience and use that knowledge to develop your skills. You may be new to the industry this doesnt mean you dont have a clue but you should realise you cant walk into any new field and be an expert.

VB being a new airline is still going through a big learning curve and does make mistakes even in their training ( no joke )
CASA does have a hand in training they are the governing body you cant be trained to the VB way alone. There are set regulations ANOs that controll many things you do and the way you do them. VB has its own add on's that must still meet CASA regs.
Some incorrect info does and has slipped through the cracks and only time and feedback from experienced FAs will draw it to the powers that be's attention.

I recall a time many years ago when I picked up an error in and airlines training instruction with regard to an a dangerous good, so it does happen.

That said maybe if less time was spend having a go about individuals and doing so in a general way as to slight the rest of the population maybe you'd all benifit.

Remember you should be thinking about what sort of conditions you want for the long term and work collectivly to ensure an outcome. While you would all bend over backwards TODAY to help your companies, just be careful they may expect it for the next 20 years. How long can you keep that up. ( Im not talking about smiling at pax or doing your job well Im talking about those little add on duties that sneek into your role then become an expectation.
Just think about it

Work together and have a nice life
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Hi all. Well I'm sort of stuck in the middle here. Having worked for Ansett as cabin crew and just hired by virgin as cabin crew I'm at a bit of a loss. Where do i fit in. Well for my two cents worth. Training school is the same! The expectations are the same...the cultures differ...different markets here. At the end of the day. I am an individual! I'm me. I love flying and really that is all it is about.

Those who want to rubbish ansett - I take offense.
Those who want to rubbish virgin - I also take offense.

Both airlines were and are unique in their own ways.

Change is the keyword here, and most people fear change, instead of embracing it. Exotic..I'll be seeing you in the air..and personally I dont think you should generalise - get to know the ex ansett people instead of making assumptions - EMPATHISE key word in airlines to what they have been through. Ansett people...realise it is time to close the chapter and move on - be happy and grateful for the experience and start a new book.

There are bad people in every airline and their are brilliant people in every airline - and each to their own. judge the individuals dont stereotype - the ansett people dont want to be old bags and the virgin people dont want to be bimbo's! At the end of the day it is about 2 things primarily which I think everyone has lost sight of. Safety and customer service....do your part and leave the baggage at home. Grow up people.

New adventures await...attitudes need adjusting on all levels.

I'm proud to say I worked for ansett and I am also proud to say I now work for virgin.
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Well said airbourne 1

we are all individuals
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Exotic....

I was sort of siding with you on this one... That was until that - "you must be very gay" comment.

How is one "very" gay? I am gay. Is being "very" gay better or worse than being just gay. If it is better then how do I become "very" gay? Is it in the talk, is it in the walk or is it all about the clothes?

You have made some very valid points, as have some of the others, but please refrain from making such offensive remarks. It also only serves to fuel others' arguement against you. Poco described you as a decent person with half a brain. It seemed that way until your poor choice of words.

There are tech crew (very few) with issues re gay cabin crew. The last thing we need is our female counterparts adopting, or vocalising, such views.

Once again I admire you for sticking to your guns and making valid points based on your experiences. Just leave sexuality and your views on sexuality where it belongs... In idle galley gossip.

Thanks
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I hope that wasn't harsh Exotic... I didn't mean it to be.

airborne1 - great post!

And for those who it concerns... generalisations, be it bimbo virgin girls or fat old qantas hags, ARE GETTING VERY OLD. Using them in a slanging match only shows immaturity too.

Had to get that one off my chest.

Thanks for listening.
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Thumbs up no offence taken

Ditzy

If it is that you are gay, why do you take offense to it being said???

Just for the record, you're comments where what you felt and i respect that, but not necessarily like them.

You didn't offend me, because most these posts are just personal comments that have no significance in real life. At the end of the day, we switch of our computer, walk away and forget about everything that we saw in cyber world, to face reality.
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Exotic...

You make a great point about facing reality. Too hard though :-) I much like Biscuit's idea about becoming alcoholic. Sounds easier and a lot more fun!

My point was that you were branding that guy or calling him gay is if being gay was inferior. Just like me saying you are being very female or being one of those virgin blue tarts. (I don't think any virgin girl is a tart, by the way, just using it as an example).

So thanks for understanding anyway. Your posts are some of the most intellegent on here.
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Wink its all cool

Ditzy

I appreciate you nice comments.

And no, my intended comment wasn't made to make anyone feel inferior. No one should feel inferior in any circumstance.

Just for the record i am 'VERY FEMALE'... but there is no such thing as 'virgin tart'. Comments as such sound like playground jabber.

I'm sure people who place posts in this forum are adults, but when you read such crude branding, relating to a whole, it comes across as someone experiencing painful envy!
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Just to show that it pays never to give up trying to
be an F/A, Just received an email from a long time
contributer to this forum that has had rejections
before, like Cabin Boy refused to give up, this girl
did the same, I will leave it to her to make the
announcement, and she is no bimbo, and will,
by reading all her previous posts make a great
addition to Virgin Blue's F/As

Wirraway
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Wirraway--was that last post about me???!!!

Yes it is true everyone-- I have had a couple of rejections over the last year or two, but after alot of persistance I have finally made it!!! I am officially part of the Virgin Blue Cabin Crew team.

Thankyou to everyone who has supported me over the last year. ( I feel like I am giving an acceptance speech)

And to everyone who is still trying DO NOT GIVE UP.

I would love to write more but my hands are still shaking from the excitement.

love SMILE
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Talking

Just for the record i am 'VERY FEMALE'... but there is no such thing as 'virgin tart'

No tarts.. Just Bimbo's
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