BA CC industrial relations (current airline staff only)
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So looking at a longhaul crew member with approximately 4 trips /month minus leave plus SEP/MLD. You can add on another 120 hours? Still a long way from the theoretical 2000 hours.
If you believe so strongly that cabin crew are lazy and hardly do a stroke of work, please present your scientific evidence to the relevant authority so the safety margins can be eroded to please your egos. Or else can we please return to something more enlightening and relevant to BA Cabin Crew Industrial Relations.
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If you believe so strongly that cabin crew are lazy and hardly do a stroke or work
How close can shorthaul get?
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Just one more point, which fits the debate.
Prior to the introduction of 900 hour legislation airlines were able to achieve greater productivity from their crew. Indeed many cabin crew were against the legislation as it resulted in the loss of trips and therefore allowances/wages. So the legislation wasn't welcome by either employer or employee, and increased employer costs whilst reducing employee earnings. Indirectly (or directly depending on your viewpoint) the legislation contributed to the need for Op Colombus and new fleet.
From a cabin crew perspective, there was a campaign for an opt out clause, but the company offered no support. As a Police Officer I was legislated by a work time directive, but was able to opt out to allow 12 hour shifts and therefore four on four off work patterns.
Prior to the introduction of 900 hour legislation airlines were able to achieve greater productivity from their crew. Indeed many cabin crew were against the legislation as it resulted in the loss of trips and therefore allowances/wages. So the legislation wasn't welcome by either employer or employee, and increased employer costs whilst reducing employee earnings. Indirectly (or directly depending on your viewpoint) the legislation contributed to the need for Op Colombus and new fleet.
From a cabin crew perspective, there was a campaign for an opt out clause, but the company offered no support. As a Police Officer I was legislated by a work time directive, but was able to opt out to allow 12 hour shifts and therefore four on four off work patterns.
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I think we have gone so far off track that many are lost and can't find their way back!!!
Anybody gots IRS/GPS/RNAV or did anyone think to leave a trail of breadcrumbs perhaps???
...now just what were we talking about before we started an in-depth debate about crew hours, CAP371 and its application into AFS oh and the pointless comparison between 9-5 office workers and flying staff!
Anybody gots IRS/GPS/RNAV or did anyone think to leave a trail of breadcrumbs perhaps???
...now just what were we talking about before we started an in-depth debate about crew hours, CAP371 and its application into AFS oh and the pointless comparison between 9-5 office workers and flying staff!
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Wakey Wakey Everyone !!!!
BA are offering pilot VCC refresher cabin crew courses to get them back up to speed should another strike happen. 100% operation on the cards then...........great news for some
and tragic for others I imagine
. What next ?
and tragic for others I imagine. What next ?
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Here we go ...... again!
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I predict BA will run a 100% longhaul service on day one. However just watch the cancellations rise as the strike goes on.
No way can they sustain it. In fact I will eat my hat if they do. (And no I'm not on mixed fleet).
No way can they sustain it. In fact I will eat my hat if they do. (And no I'm not on mixed fleet).
Maybe this is why Legal have taken over the People department.
Enough is enough for all of us who keep on having to endure all the 'silliness' from the dinosaurs of untie, and their exceedingly ugly miscreants - bassa and cc89.
I hope that BA hold firm right to the bitter end and allow a pointless strike (with no protection) --------------------------------------------------
---------- and then sack the aggessive militants who are only intent on destroying all the hard work that the vast majority of BA staff have been engaged in for the 2 years. Those of us that realised that the world had changed - and that we had to change.
Obviously not for the greedy, deluded reps who want to maintain their position of snouts firmly stuffed in the trough. As long as they are alright they believe that EVERYBODY else is expendable.
Enough is enough for all of us who keep on having to endure all the 'silliness' from the dinosaurs of untie, and their exceedingly ugly miscreants - bassa and cc89.
I hope that BA hold firm right to the bitter end and allow a pointless strike (with no protection) --------------------------------------------------
---------- and then sack the aggessive militants who are only intent on destroying all the hard work that the vast majority of BA staff have been engaged in for the 2 years. Those of us that realised that the world had changed - and that we had to change.
Obviously not for the greedy, deluded reps who want to maintain their position of snouts firmly stuffed in the trough. As long as they are alright they believe that EVERYBODY else is expendable.
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Published as these 4 items ...
The terms of the dispute (this time) are on uniteba.com
Basically ...
1. The immediate restoration of staff travel concessions, in full, to the crew from whom they were taken by BA.
2. Binding arbitration, through ACAS, of all cabin crew disciplinary cases related to the original dispute.
3. The restoration of all earnings docked from crew who were genuinely off sick during strike dates.
4. Full and proper discussion of the trade union facilities agreement at the company with the immediate removal of all threats and sanctions made by BA in relation to this.
And I've heard that the 9 month bonus we are to get in the New Year won't be offered to those crew who went on strike.
Basically ...
1. The immediate restoration of staff travel concessions, in full, to the crew from whom they were taken by BA.
2. Binding arbitration, through ACAS, of all cabin crew disciplinary cases related to the original dispute.
3. The restoration of all earnings docked from crew who were genuinely off sick during strike dates.
4. Full and proper discussion of the trade union facilities agreement at the company with the immediate removal of all threats and sanctions made by BA in relation to this.
And I've heard that the 9 month bonus we are to get in the New Year won't be offered to those crew who went on strike.
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From the Independent link above they appear to have added a 5th item
Unite said its strike ballot was over the following outstanding issues.
:: The immediate restoration of staff travel concessions.
:: Binding arbitration through conciliation service Acas of all cabin crew disciplinary cases related to the original dispute.
:: The restoration of all earnings docked from crew who were genuinely off sick during strike dates.
:: Full and proper discussion of the trade union facilities agreement at the company with the immediate removal of all threats and sanctions made by BA in relation to this.
Unite said it was also in dispute with BA because of the introduction of staff on different terms and conditions without the agreement of the union.
:: The immediate restoration of staff travel concessions.
:: Binding arbitration through conciliation service Acas of all cabin crew disciplinary cases related to the original dispute.
:: The restoration of all earnings docked from crew who were genuinely off sick during strike dates.
:: Full and proper discussion of the trade union facilities agreement at the company with the immediate removal of all threats and sanctions made by BA in relation to this.
Unite said it was also in dispute with BA because of the introduction of staff on different terms and conditions without the agreement of the union.
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Gingerminge:
I admire your optimism however your prediction is way off the mark. During the last strike days we started off with a lower percentage of flights getting away and on some days that increased to an incredible 80% LH and 55-60% SH of flights operated. We managed this with a mere VCC workforce of some 1,000 or so. This time we have an army! Along with a number of Mixed Fleet crew, oh yes and not forgetting the people who went on strike last time and see no point in taking part in further pointless IA.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but your prediction is just pure fantasy!
I admire your optimism however your prediction is way off the mark. During the last strike days we started off with a lower percentage of flights getting away and on some days that increased to an incredible 80% LH and 55-60% SH of flights operated. We managed this with a mere VCC workforce of some 1,000 or so. This time we have an army! Along with a number of Mixed Fleet crew, oh yes and not forgetting the people who went on strike last time and see no point in taking part in further pointless IA.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but your prediction is just pure fantasy!
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gm..
No way can they sustain it. In fact I will eat my hat if they do. (And no I'm not on mixed fleet).
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Things won't be the same next time.
Not that I want to see those loonies over at BASSA win but I have it on good authority that next time there will be fewer VCC as many have chosen to un-volunteer because;
- Certain groups took pay cuts
- They then saw the company announce good financials despite their earlier pleas to the contrary.
- Then they learn that a certain CEO will receive a large pay rise for a new role which will definitely increase to cost base but may not produce revenue increases.