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We went on strike because of the principle of imposition which means changes to our working conditions without negotiation. I'm sorry if you, and others, can't see the difference. Claiming, as some of you do, that our CSDs have to work on a trolley is not the case. It would have been different if this had been negotiated.
We went on strike because of the principle of imposition which means changes to our working conditions without negotiation. I'm sorry if you, and others, can't see the difference. Claiming, as some of you do, that our CSDs have to work on a trolley is not the case. It would have been different if this had been negotiated.
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I need some protection. What if a passenger reports me or I get on a disiplinary?
There is currently a post on the Bassa forum alleging that a sacked crew will not receive any legal or financial support from Unite due to the case being assessed as having less than a 51% chance of success.
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Er Miss M !!
Just had a real laugh at your last pathetic offering.
Twas revealed in the high court and has been supported by evidence from BA, Unite and Amicus, that BASSA REFUSED TO NEGOTIATE on the crew compliments and then told the membership that it was the other way round.
You were'nt the only one who was lied to.
Next.................................
Just had a real laugh at your last pathetic offering.
Twas revealed in the high court and has been supported by evidence from BA, Unite and Amicus, that BASSA REFUSED TO NEGOTIATE on the crew compliments and then told the membership that it was the other way round.
You were'nt the only one who was lied to.
Next.................................
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We went on strike because of the principle of imposition which means changes to our working conditions without negotiation.
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We went on strike because of the principle of imposition which means changes to our working conditions without negotiation. I'm sorry if you, and others, can't see the difference.
The changes that we all had to endure could have been negotiated through IF BASSA had been willing/able. As the learned Judge pointed out the task of managing a fight between cats in a bag was a loser from the start. Hence the requirement for change to be implemented. Agreements, whilst 'nice to have' have always been and will always be subject to change.
The BASSA principle has always previously been to threaten IA over any change and then sit back when the company panics and gives in. This time they were left floundering so embarked on a personal campaign against the CEO.
Sad.
Miss M
Good to see that you still choose NOT to see the obvious.
Imposition came about due to your union's inability and then downright refusal to negotiate.
Do us all a favour and read the court findings, both today's and also the original findings of Judge Holland.
On many, many occasions these learned judges state that BA tried to negotiate, but the two factions (maybe that should read fractions!!) would not speak to each other and no common position regarding the situation of cabin crew could be put to BA.
WW and the LT showed amazing patience with the childish and petulent behaviour exhibited by those two factions. The other departments had all agreed to changes by 30 Jun 09, but it was not for several more months before BA 'IMPOSED' the changes that would deliver the required savings. Your bassa shower's offer of £173M of savings was seen to be worth only £53M - really good job bassa dont you think!!!!!
At every stage during this whole sad debacle WW and the company have maintained a totally business directed approach. It is purely a business decision with him!! However, bassa then 'lost the plot totally (again)' and embarked on a malicious, petty and childish personal campaign that would have been more at home in the hands of year one primary school kids.
Sad and pathetic behaviour from so-called adults!!
It is refreshing to hear that people are once again 'talking' down-route and that proper adult discussion is taking place.
The truth WILL come out - but not from anyone tainted by the ramblings or smears from DH!!!
Imposition came about due to your union's inability and then downright refusal to negotiate.
Do us all a favour and read the court findings, both today's and also the original findings of Judge Holland.
On many, many occasions these learned judges state that BA tried to negotiate, but the two factions (maybe that should read fractions!!) would not speak to each other and no common position regarding the situation of cabin crew could be put to BA.
WW and the LT showed amazing patience with the childish and petulent behaviour exhibited by those two factions. The other departments had all agreed to changes by 30 Jun 09, but it was not for several more months before BA 'IMPOSED' the changes that would deliver the required savings. Your bassa shower's offer of £173M of savings was seen to be worth only £53M - really good job bassa dont you think!!!!!
At every stage during this whole sad debacle WW and the company have maintained a totally business directed approach. It is purely a business decision with him!! However, bassa then 'lost the plot totally (again)' and embarked on a malicious, petty and childish personal campaign that would have been more at home in the hands of year one primary school kids.
Sad and pathetic behaviour from so-called adults!!
It is refreshing to hear that people are once again 'talking' down-route and that proper adult discussion is taking place.
The truth WILL come out - but not from anyone tainted by the ramblings or smears from DH!!!
) and have never had a problem but you never know x
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Rosiegirl (and anyone else who might be interested),
Hopefully this link will work:
http://www.pprune.org/cabin-crew/379...ml#post5297356
The offer that was on the table last year, where it says about MF integration (although the name MF isn't used).
Hopefully this link will work:
http://www.pprune.org/cabin-crew/379...ml#post5297356
The offer that was on the table last year, where it says about MF integration (although the name MF isn't used).
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Just sent to me.....Duncan's latest posting. Anyone want to guess what happens after another "No" vote? Worth noting this - it clears up the issue as to who (BASSA or UNITE) has the final say on IA ballots. Anyone see an end in sight?
Something else you have to remember here. No matter how much you are frustrated with Unite, when it comes to calling IA ballots they have the final say. So falling out with them could mean cutting off our own noses to spite our face. Think hard on that. The BASSA committee know what we are doing, this is not a 2 way dogfight between us and BA - there is a third party in this poker game and we must be aware of that in all our tactical moves. Everything is done with a purpose, please bear that in mind.
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Dh & Bassa
The BASSA committee know what we are doing
..AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHA
The funniest thing I have ever read, unless you mean by that 'feathering our on nests'!!!!???
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I have just had a (semi) threatening message from what I assume is a BASSA militant.
Aparently my name is the same as someone who posts a lot on the BASSA forum.
I can't seem to change ny login so I'll have to re-register.
Thanks for all your support. I'll be back. Seems the militants get their fingers everywhere.
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Aparently my name is the same as someone who posts a lot on the BASSA forum.
I can't seem to change ny login so I'll have to re-register.
Thanks for all your support. I'll be back. Seems the militants get their fingers everywhere.
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I have just had a (semi) threatening message from what I assume is a BASSA militant.
Sorry to hear that ROSIEGIRL, it would seem that open talk and the non acceptance of the BASSA line that is often discussed on here riles some people who haven't got an erudite argument in BASSA's favour so they resort to underhand tactics.
See you soon.
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Hi Rosiegirl,
Well done you for at least evaluating what has happened. It is very complex, and for those of us embroiled in it, whichever side of the fence you're on, it is not easy.
Please join the PCCC - you can read our forum and see that there are so many people that think like you. And one of us can and will accompany you (though I doubt you'll ever need it) to any BA meeting that you need.
Don't forget you can report your threatening message - to your manager, or to Safecall.
The only thing that we all have left now is each other. Time for BA cabin crew to do what we do best - take care of people!
ATB
Well done you for at least evaluating what has happened. It is very complex, and for those of us embroiled in it, whichever side of the fence you're on, it is not easy.
Please join the PCCC - you can read our forum and see that there are so many people that think like you. And one of us can and will accompany you (though I doubt you'll ever need it) to any BA meeting that you need.
Don't forget you can report your threatening message - to your manager, or to Safecall.
The only thing that we all have left now is each other. Time for BA cabin crew to do what we do best - take care of people!
ATB
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I have just had a (semi) threatening message from what I assume is a BASSA militant.
RG - don't let them scare or intimidate you. You have right on your side and more support than you think.
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This is a message from a WW PSR. I have been really disappointed with BASSA for a very long time. I never thought a strike action was necessary in the first time. I worked throughout every strike action and will continue to do so. Reduced crewing levels have never been issue as we still remain customer service as well crew rest.
I have now been accused TWICE by union reps for voting against industrial action because my husband sits on the other side of the door. Trust me, he's position has never affected my decision and he never will. For some over at BASSA and CF forums to say that crew is not thughs are nothing but a lie.
Those of us who are not supporting, and not necessary BA, do experience that we are being bullied and intimated by striking crew colleagues. To deny that this is happening is to be denying reality. I have done several trips where crew have ignored my instructions onboard (in order to remain cabin service and customer expectations) as well my existence downroute.
Certain trips have been harder than others but it's gone as far that I have asked my husband to come with me on trips (whenever possible for him) because of previous experiences. At one of my previous trips, which was a rather long one, every single crew member (except our flight crew) ignored me.
Don't deny that crew are bullying and intimidating because many are. I know many crew who are forcing themselves to come to work despite feeling very anxious. I'm one of those. My husband has taken me, and myself crying on a few of those occasions (because of the behaviour of some crew on previous trips), to the airport when he has not been able to go with me on trips. I have felt a bit like a school girl but he has always wanted the best for me despite the tensions at work.
My husband, a pilot with BA, has taken me to the airport a lot of times because he has wanted me to go to work. Many times I have stepped out of the car crying with anxious because I don't know what to expect. Our union has really let us down and created a really sensitive and bad relationship between cabin crew and every single working group within BA.
I want BA to succeed. Many of us do. I don't mind working a bit harder for the same amount of money (and BA are giving us protection). As for BASSA and CF forum where they are saying that VCC have no idea what they are doing: think about what we were like on our first flights when we had no idea what we where doing onboard. I really feel sorry for all those of you have chosen to ignore flight crew, VCC and strike-breaking crew because BASSA have told you lies about them. They're not all evil you know.
I have now been accused TWICE by union reps for voting against industrial action because my husband sits on the other side of the door. Trust me, he's position has never affected my decision and he never will. For some over at BASSA and CF forums to say that crew is not thughs are nothing but a lie.
Those of us who are not supporting, and not necessary BA, do experience that we are being bullied and intimated by striking crew colleagues. To deny that this is happening is to be denying reality. I have done several trips where crew have ignored my instructions onboard (in order to remain cabin service and customer expectations) as well my existence downroute.
Certain trips have been harder than others but it's gone as far that I have asked my husband to come with me on trips (whenever possible for him) because of previous experiences. At one of my previous trips, which was a rather long one, every single crew member (except our flight crew) ignored me.
Don't deny that crew are bullying and intimidating because many are. I know many crew who are forcing themselves to come to work despite feeling very anxious. I'm one of those. My husband has taken me, and myself crying on a few of those occasions (because of the behaviour of some crew on previous trips), to the airport when he has not been able to go with me on trips. I have felt a bit like a school girl but he has always wanted the best for me despite the tensions at work.
My husband, a pilot with BA, has taken me to the airport a lot of times because he has wanted me to go to work. Many times I have stepped out of the car crying with anxious because I don't know what to expect. Our union has really let us down and created a really sensitive and bad relationship between cabin crew and every single working group within BA.
I want BA to succeed. Many of us do. I don't mind working a bit harder for the same amount of money (and BA are giving us protection). As for BASSA and CF forum where they are saying that VCC have no idea what they are doing: think about what we were like on our first flights when we had no idea what we where doing onboard. I really feel sorry for all those of you have chosen to ignore flight crew, VCC and strike-breaking crew because BASSA have told you lies about them. They're not all evil you know.
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Unless YOU wish to change your username on PPRuNe we do not have a requirement for you to do so. It is YOUR choice and it was accepted by us. It has nothing to do with BASSA. They are NOT in a position to dictate anything regarding PPRuNe.
The choice is clear - it is your choice and yours alone. However, you may care to tell BASSA that they have no jurisdiction on PPRuNe or of any member's username. In other words to mind their own business!
Welcome Rosiegirl, we are most happy to have you join us.
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Unless YOU wish to change your username on PPRuNe we do not have a requirement for you to do so. It is YOUR choice and it was accepted by us. It has nothing to do with BASSA. They are NOT in a position to dictate anything regarding PPRuNe.
The choice is clear - it is your choice and yours alone. However, you may care to tell BASSA that they have no jurisdiction on PPRuNe or of any member's username. In other words to mind their own business!
Welcome Rosiegirl, we are most happy to have you join us.
PPP
Apparently my name is the same as someone who posts a lot on the BASSA forum.
I can't seem to change ny login so I'll have to re-register.
I can't seem to change ny login so I'll have to re-register.
And everyone here thought you were going to be changing your stance, turning a new leaf, etc etc ...... but you're spoiling it by bending to the mindless threats from idiots on the BASSA forum. Do yourself a favour - STOP kowtowing to them! Stand up and be counted for something that is worth standing up for. Don't allow the guttersnipes to haul you down!
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Yeh come over and see us on The PCCC. All you do is have a look
Nothing to lose,loads to gain!
No shouting and screaming on our forum.
Nothing to lose,loads to gain!
No shouting and screaming on our forum.
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are you suggesting that BA will issue SOSR? We have been hearing this rumour for probably a year. If they were serious about it they would have issued it a long time ago.
Let's drop SOSR.
Let's drop SOSR.
If the offer is removed, and from the Amicus response it may well be, I think they are gunning for a strike ballot ready for the 12 days of Xmas part 2!