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Perhaps after this is all over, if it is so vital that BASSA have their chairman available at all times to negotiate or discuss things, they could change their constitution to make the chairman post a salaried position funded from union subs. That way BA could not refuse to de-roster, as the chair would work for BASSA not BA.
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Hmm, the most senior member of Unite, ACAS, TUC and BA in discussions to end one of the most public disputes in recent times, is not an every day occurrence. It wasn't too long ago, Unites two bodies at BA were openly criticised for not sitting in the same room, now the most senior is prevented from attending. How times change.
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If I were you I would not bother with the PCCC. Nobody knows who they are and there's a strong rumour that this council has either been set up by BA or it being funded by management
It's not a rumour. It's a lie put out by BASSA and is as ridiculous as the one about PWC. Do you really think that anyone, outside of the BASSA strikers who are so far stitched up through loss of pay and loss of staff travel they have no choice but to continue on with BASSA, believe this? Shortly, Miss M we will prove to you and the diehards that we are crew and we are independent. What excuses will you come up with then?
Flaps62 has put the point very succinctly about disciplinaries. Arbitratration should not be allowed. Has it ever been asked for before or has the process always been robust? If not, then why do BASSA suddenly feel the need now? If it is granted, how would that affect any other previous dismissals? Would they then too gain the right for arbitration?
We have employment law, and as employees we would be quick to invoke the system if we needed to. We must therefore respect the system and abide it.
If BASSA were a union worth their salt
they would invoke the process and take BA to tribunal for unfair dismissal. They have not presumably because they cannot.Litebulbs with regard to the time off, remember it is for REASONABLE time off. Given the nature of our job, if it was, for example, for a day in the middle of a trip and prevented her working for several days, would that be reasonable? Things are not always as straight forward as BASSA would have you believe.
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Hmm, the most senior member of Unite, ACAS, TUC and BA in discussions to end one of the most public disputes in recent times, is not an every day occurrence. It wasn't too long ago, Unites two bodies at BA were openly criticised for not sitting in the same room, now the most senior is prevented from attending. How times change
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I very much doubt that this is the case, but I have no evidence to back this up, so I will have to bow to what you know.
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I've just been reading the latest on CF, after the BASSA update, and it seems (bearing in mind the lack of understanding that the BASSA chair is not actually a required presence at talks between Unite & BA) that some of the members want a strike over Christmas regardless of the offer or the issues at stake!!! !!!!
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But he hasn't, has he?
This bit of bluster by bassa goes further to highlight how little they have explained to their members (and indeed, how little their members have researched or questioned the issue) about the relationship between bassa and Unite.
Bassa can pontificate all they wish, on this and any other matter they might choose, but until members are prepared or indeed allowed to openly question and challenge their leadership, it's all so predictably pointless other than serving to highlight the injustice that is practised by the upper echelons of bassa ... an organisation that patently fails to do what it says on the tin.
And to quote (just for a bit of fun) a loyal, striking, lanyard wearing, baggage tagged bassa member I mentioned Lizanne to yesterday: "Who's that?".
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I notice that you say the "PCCC members" - and these are real questions and not trying to catch anybody out !!
Do you have to physically join by signing something?
Is there a constitution?
When you say the PCCC asks it's members for their views, is this done by ballot, online poll or some other way?
Genuine questions from somebody curious how it all works
Do you have to physically join by signing something?
Is there a constitution?
When you say the PCCC asks it's members for their views, is this done by ballot, online poll or some other way?
Genuine questions from somebody curious how it all works
You join (for free) via the website: www.mypccc.co.uk giving your name, staff number, base and rank, and stating whether you are permanent or temporary BA CC. You can then go on to register for access to the forum, choosing a username and password.
It seems to me that the PCCC is just floating the idea that things might be different and better in the future. I can go along with that for now, and am so relieved that an alternative to bassa seems possible, if enough people sign-up. So it seems, can all of the people I chat to on the PCCC forum. I guess that a constitution will come if and when it's needed.
Members varied views and opinions have been discussed on the PCCC forum. And when I joined, there was an online questionaire about various things that members wanted the PCCC to be, or not to be.
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But if it was SO important to TW that LM was available, he wouldn't agree to it being confidential would he? Surely, if it really was that important, he'd hold-out and speak-out about it.
Or in other words: TW possibly considers LM's attendance to be detrimental to the proceedings.
Or in other words: TW possibly considers LM's attendance to be detrimental to the proceedings.
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Well yes, I do ... because bassa fail in both instances ... meet, and they waste opportunities ... don't meet, and they try to big themselves up.
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LOL. I think it's known as "engagement", "involvement" and "empowerment" ... things that I had previously thought were offered by a union, but was sadly disappointed to find lacking during my membership of bassa.
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Reading between the lines I suspect that TW has laid down the law and told the BASSA reps that they have to put the offer to members. The huff and puff about the 'negotiating committee' being able to dismiss it out of hand was pure hot air. It will be interesting to see what the details are. I'm betting that there is a 'no strike' clause in it somewhere and that is one of the things that BASSA want legal advice on. The dilemma that Unite now face is if the bulk of members remain apathetic and a vocal minority succeed in getting the deal thrown out. In such a situation the union would be foolhardy to go for a strike call but would also have limited negotiating power to get a better offer. So a stalemate.
BASSA will need to provide adequate time for a consultative ballot on the proposal, so a Christmas strike is a complete non-starter now. What is critical is for the union to ensure that a credible majority of the membership actually turn out and vote this time. Given that we are moving towards the festive season this means allowing a clear four weeks from the date that ballot papers go out to the end of the ballot process. BASSA and its members are truly drinking in the last chance saloon. The fat lady is warming up her tonsils.
BASSA will need to provide adequate time for a consultative ballot on the proposal, so a Christmas strike is a complete non-starter now. What is critical is for the union to ensure that a credible majority of the membership actually turn out and vote this time. Given that we are moving towards the festive season this means allowing a clear four weeks from the date that ballot papers go out to the end of the ballot process. BASSA and its members are truly drinking in the last chance saloon. The fat lady is warming up her tonsils.