British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
BABOBO,
You voted 'No', so I assume you disagree with BASSA's stance on this. You are under NO compulsion to stay away from work if a strike is called. None whatsoever! I suggest you report for work as normal, as BA is going to pull the rug out from under the cocky so-and-sos who believe that a 'Yes' vote will get them all they want. The staff-travel withdrawal threat is merely a small opening shot. You don't want to be in line for the artillery salvo when it comes.
Preserve your job and show up for work. As for remaining in BASSA? Waste of time and money.
You voted 'No', so I assume you disagree with BASSA's stance on this. You are under NO compulsion to stay away from work if a strike is called. None whatsoever! I suggest you report for work as normal, as BA is going to pull the rug out from under the cocky so-and-sos who believe that a 'Yes' vote will get them all they want. The staff-travel withdrawal threat is merely a small opening shot. You don't want to be in line for the artillery salvo when it comes.
Preserve your job and show up for work. As for remaining in BASSA? Waste of time and money.
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Mabobo,
Nobody here can tell you what you should do, as only you can make that decision. People can advice you though, and then you will have to make up your mind based on that. All I'd like to say, is that if you want to resign from bassa, all you have to do is to inform pay services to stop the payment. There is no need for a resignation letter, unless you want to.
Good luck with your decision, and well done for voting NO.
Gg
I am BA cabin crew and this is my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
Nobody here can tell you what you should do, as only you can make that decision. People can advice you though, and then you will have to make up your mind based on that. All I'd like to say, is that if you want to resign from bassa, all you have to do is to inform pay services to stop the payment. There is no need for a resignation letter, unless you want to.
Good luck with your decision, and well done for voting NO.
Gg
I am BA cabin crew and this is my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
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What goes around, comes around...
From the archives:
For years, the company (Alaska Airlines) had kept all of its office personnel trained as flight attendants just so they could be used as replacements for striking flight attendants.[3] A traditional strike clearly was doomed to fail.
In 1986, thousands of TWA flight attendants represented by a different union had been permanently replaced by corporate raider Carl Icahn in a disastrous traditional strike.
FYI from memory TWA trained their res agents in 4 days apiece and were flooded with young enthusiastic ground based staff keen to get up in the air.
For years, the company (Alaska Airlines) had kept all of its office personnel trained as flight attendants just so they could be used as replacements for striking flight attendants.[3] A traditional strike clearly was doomed to fail.
In 1986, thousands of TWA flight attendants represented by a different union had been permanently replaced by corporate raider Carl Icahn in a disastrous traditional strike.
FYI from memory TWA trained their res agents in 4 days apiece and were flooded with young enthusiastic ground based staff keen to get up in the air.
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Papillon,
think your missing my point. BA have no intention if having to deal with 2 groups post strike. By the time any strike date occurs all those who withdraw their labour will be in no doubt of the implications of their actions.
Ba wins in court next week and I expect it will be very simple to split the groups post strike. The no voters will continue to earn industry leading wages with a new allowance strucure. The yes voters who actually walk and the snakes who call in sick will be sitting on a grass verge somewhere watching the unite 'leadership' offer their support but little else. LaLa will have retired to la where commuting will no longer be an issue or even a possibilty.
The good news is hopefully the new entrant ex bmi/virgin/globespan etc etc crew will bring the same quality service and happy attitude that the temps who are returning delivered first time round. Work might be fun again!
We are all BA.
think your missing my point. BA have no intention if having to deal with 2 groups post strike. By the time any strike date occurs all those who withdraw their labour will be in no doubt of the implications of their actions.
Ba wins in court next week and I expect it will be very simple to split the groups post strike. The no voters will continue to earn industry leading wages with a new allowance strucure. The yes voters who actually walk and the snakes who call in sick will be sitting on a grass verge somewhere watching the unite 'leadership' offer their support but little else. LaLa will have retired to la where commuting will no longer be an issue or even a possibilty.
The good news is hopefully the new entrant ex bmi/virgin/globespan etc etc crew will bring the same quality service and happy attitude that the temps who are returning delivered first time round. Work might be fun again!
We are all BA.
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The good news is hopefully the new entrant ex bmi/virgin/globespan etc etc crew will bring the same quality service and happy attitude that the temps who are returning delivered first time round
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Papillon,
we all have friends who know somebody who once heard etc etc etc. My ear is a bit closer to ground zero and what I'm hearing is that the gloves are all the way off!
This is a bar fight, not an episode of strictly come striking. Bassa are so far from their experience levels and unite so concerned about the election that neither actually knows how to win.
Time will tell.
we all have friends who know somebody who once heard etc etc etc. My ear is a bit closer to ground zero and what I'm hearing is that the gloves are all the way off!
This is a bar fight, not an episode of strictly come striking. Bassa are so far from their experience levels and unite so concerned about the election that neither actually knows how to win.
Time will tell.
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Mr Bernoulli,
Thanks for your reply.... and you are wright, I don't agree one bit with BASSA's (or UNITE's) stance on the whole situation (for a lot of reason's of which most are discussed on this forum). I am aware that, even as a union member, I am under no compulsion to 'stay away' from work if a strike is called. That was and isn't my intention anyhow. I am backing BA, my colleagues throughout the airline and our customers and will come to work. And, like in December, I will inform the company about my intentions by putting my name on the volunteer list!!! I am trying to make up my mind what the best way is to get my point accross to BASSA..... leaving the union, or stay in the union and come to work if a strike is called. I have to say, I am leaning very much towards leaving as I don't actually see any point in staying with a bunch of people who are trying to bring our company down!!!
Thanks again and take care!!!
Thanks for your reply.... and you are wright, I don't agree one bit with BASSA's (or UNITE's) stance on the whole situation (for a lot of reason's of which most are discussed on this forum). I am aware that, even as a union member, I am under no compulsion to 'stay away' from work if a strike is called. That was and isn't my intention anyhow. I am backing BA, my colleagues throughout the airline and our customers and will come to work. And, like in December, I will inform the company about my intentions by putting my name on the volunteer list!!! I am trying to make up my mind what the best way is to get my point accross to BASSA..... leaving the union, or stay in the union and come to work if a strike is called. I have to say, I am leaning very much towards leaving as I don't actually see any point in staying with a bunch of people who are trying to bring our company down!!!
Thanks again and take care!!!
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To those CC about to embark on a suicide mission by voting yes! Be afraid, very afraid, the threat regarding Staff Travel is for real and WILL be enacted upon. Also, down route hotac IS a hot topic that will be looked at.
Thus for that part of the CC community who are in their jobs for the perks you will definately loose them if you strike.
Thus for that part of the CC community who are in their jobs for the perks you will definately loose them if you strike.
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A thought from the Fort
It will be very easy for BA management to ascertain who was actually on strike.
The company has made it absolutely clear that those flight attendants who go sick during any strike will have their cases very rigorously investigated.
This leaves a third group: those who turn up for work without reservation or equivocation. It is that group whose careers will flourish and which might even take a steep upward turn for the better.
Just a thought.
That's all.
The company has made it absolutely clear that those flight attendants who go sick during any strike will have their cases very rigorously investigated.
This leaves a third group: those who turn up for work without reservation or equivocation. It is that group whose careers will flourish and which might even take a steep upward turn for the better.
Just a thought.
That's all.
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The company has made it absolutely clear that those flight attendants who go sick during any strike will have their cases very rigorously investigated.
We are called cabin crew these days.
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Pretend sickness is lying - simple
I disagree with much of the gibberish written on this forum but it is certainly valid to say if you 'choose' to vote in the ballot and you 'choose' to vote Yes then at least have the courage of your convictions and DO NOT seek the cover of what in essence is a false medical certificate from a doctor.
I have chosen to vote yes in favour of I.A. and if asked to strike I will.
I have chosen to vote yes in favour of I.A. and if asked to strike I will.
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The "Self Loading Freight" often refer to cabin crew as "Trolley Dollies". And for much of the industry, they're "hosties". Pilots are often referred to as "Nigels". We're all given nicknames we don't like, there's no call to be precious about it.
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In the RAF, pilots were rightly referred to as 'The 2 winged master race'. !?
Why in civil aviation are Nigels known as Nigels?
Why in civil aviation are Nigels known as Nigels?
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Court Case Update
You, Your Vote and the High Court case next week
Question:
Does the court case next week affect my need to vote in the ballot?
Answer: ABSOLUTELY NOT
The legal case in the High Court next week has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your need to vote in our current dispute.
The court case is to determine one issue only, the contractual nature of crew compliments within your agreement. However – what is not in question is the fact that British Airways have actually already breached your agreement in many ways, specifically around crew compliments.
A dispute results with a union when agreements are broken, if this is not resolved it can lead to industrial action.
The ballot is about your right to respond directly to your employer about that beach of a binding agreement and those impositions, all of them, not simply the crew compliment issue.
Concurrently, our legal team shall be making representations on our behalf next week in the High Court as we believe that your contract has been breached as a result of your agreement having been broken.
Do not be fooled - Bill Francis is deliberately muddying the waters and constantly trying to create confusion by stating that your need to vote in this ballot is overshadowed by, and directly dependent upon, the outcome of the court case.
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
THE COURT CASE AND THE BALLOT ARE ENTIRELY SEPARATE.
THE OUTCOME OF THE COURT CASE WILL NOT, WE REPEAT, WILL NOT AFFECT THE LEGITIMACY OR THE LEGALITY OF OUR BALLOT.
The likelihood is that the final ruling of the court will not be received for some weeks. Our ballot ends on the 22nd February 2010 so your time to vote is now.
Make no mistake, your vote will send a very clear message to Mr. Walsh and his leadership team. Irrespective of the court’s ruling, you have statutory right to withdraw your labour in opposition to the current (and mounting) impositions, and the many other aspects of this dispute NOT being considered by the court - including:
· The continued dishonouring of existing agreements
· The lack of guaranteed longevity for existing terms and conditions
· The denial of the ability to transfer on current terms and conditions (between all bases and fleets) per our Op’s and Choice agreement
· The misuse and abuse of the disruption agreement
· The destabilising of current crew structures and promotional opportunities for existing crew
· Complete failure to properly consult and negotiate change with your trade unions
· The unilateral removal of crew from the aircraft
Do not miss your opportunity to be heard. The louder. The better.
VOTE NOW – VOTE YES
Court Case Update
You, Your Vote and the High Court case next week
Question:
Does the court case next week affect my need to vote in the ballot?
Answer: ABSOLUTELY NOT
The legal case in the High Court next week has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your need to vote in our current dispute.
The court case is to determine one issue only, the contractual nature of crew compliments within your agreement. However – what is not in question is the fact that British Airways have actually already breached your agreement in many ways, specifically around crew compliments.
A dispute results with a union when agreements are broken, if this is not resolved it can lead to industrial action.
The ballot is about your right to respond directly to your employer about that beach of a binding agreement and those impositions, all of them, not simply the crew compliment issue.
Concurrently, our legal team shall be making representations on our behalf next week in the High Court as we believe that your contract has been breached as a result of your agreement having been broken.
Do not be fooled - Bill Francis is deliberately muddying the waters and constantly trying to create confusion by stating that your need to vote in this ballot is overshadowed by, and directly dependent upon, the outcome of the court case.
THIS IS NOT TRUE.
THE COURT CASE AND THE BALLOT ARE ENTIRELY SEPARATE.
THE OUTCOME OF THE COURT CASE WILL NOT, WE REPEAT, WILL NOT AFFECT THE LEGITIMACY OR THE LEGALITY OF OUR BALLOT.
The likelihood is that the final ruling of the court will not be received for some weeks. Our ballot ends on the 22nd February 2010 so your time to vote is now.
Make no mistake, your vote will send a very clear message to Mr. Walsh and his leadership team. Irrespective of the court’s ruling, you have statutory right to withdraw your labour in opposition to the current (and mounting) impositions, and the many other aspects of this dispute NOT being considered by the court - including:
· The continued dishonouring of existing agreements
· The lack of guaranteed longevity for existing terms and conditions
· The denial of the ability to transfer on current terms and conditions (between all bases and fleets) per our Op’s and Choice agreement
· The misuse and abuse of the disruption agreement
· The destabilising of current crew structures and promotional opportunities for existing crew
· Complete failure to properly consult and negotiate change with your trade unions
· The unilateral removal of crew from the aircraft
Do not miss your opportunity to be heard. The louder. The better.
VOTE NOW – VOTE YES
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Compliments or Complements
the contractual nature of crew compliments within your agreement
I hate to be picky, but assuming that this is a direct quote from Unite, I should point out that the correct spelling of compliments in this context is complements.
Yet another Unite
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Glamgirl,
Can you confirm if the ballot paper gives any advice not to vote if you are ineligible, or leaving the company?
I'd take the ballot paper into BA to allow them to use it as and when they need to.
MissM,
Any reaction to the continuing farce that defines your union's continued web of deceit?
Can you confirm if the ballot paper gives any advice not to vote if you are ineligible, or leaving the company?
I'd take the ballot paper into BA to allow them to use it as and when they need to.
MissM,
Any reaction to the continuing farce that defines your union's continued web of deceit?
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Hi BlueUpGood
As you say, my comment on PCC talking to BALPA was based on the CC89 startup.
As BALPA are a professional organisation with a very good reputation, if PCC ask for and BALPA are willing to give, guidance on the setting up of offices, procedures and organisation, it can only be that BA will view this as a very positive step in recognising PCC, by their requesting advice and learning from a mature and respected organisation. Note: We are not talking about any political or other aspects of the current situation.
There was no intent to imply that BALPA were trying to undermine BASSA (Not that any foundations appear to exist) - but I can only assume that at some stage there may be a form of response that I for one will watch with interest, however that's another matter entirely.
Cheers Entaxei.
As you say, my comment on PCC talking to BALPA was based on the CC89 startup.
As BALPA are a professional organisation with a very good reputation, if PCC ask for and BALPA are willing to give, guidance on the setting up of offices, procedures and organisation, it can only be that BA will view this as a very positive step in recognising PCC, by their requesting advice and learning from a mature and respected organisation. Note: We are not talking about any political or other aspects of the current situation.
There was no intent to imply that BALPA were trying to undermine BASSA (Not that any foundations appear to exist) - but I can only assume that at some stage there may be a form of response that I for one will watch with interest, however that's another matter entirely.
Cheers Entaxei.