AO(Australian Airlines) wet lease to QF- future?
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AO(Australian Airlines) wet lease to QF- future?
Next week the GGM is coming to CNS for an employee forum. Lots of rumours abound at the moment at our future and where we stand after half of our flying goes to JQ int later on in the year- Nagoya and Osaka.
Anyone have any suggestions on what may happen and if they think any big announcements may be made at this forum?
Anyone have any suggestions on what may happen and if they think any big announcements may be made at this forum?
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Anxiously waiting
The current company climate makes us all very nervous, at least for myself. Nothing we can do but wait, I reckon there won't be an announcement at this forum yet, as there are issues with pilots that to be sorted out first, then they can tell us where we will be heading to. Heard JB is coming to CNS to talk to pilots, but it was just a rumour. Personally, as much as I love our bunch of people, I would love to be back to SYD, be it L/H or S/H, I don't care. Even if it has to be JQI, I guess I'll have to give it a go. I've done my time in CNS, time to go home.
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The talk is that the flying will remain as is after July(NRT) however AO will only need a reduced number of crew to run this operation.
To compenste for this positions at JQ Int. CNS base will be offered as will Casual C Contract positions with MAM to fly shorthaul out of the 4 bases here in OZ.
If these options are not taken then the only option left will be to take VR or be made CR.
AO crew and now the second highest wage earners amongst the QF FA's. This means that management will not offer permanent jobs that have a higher rate of pay or earning capacity.
If QF management suspect a big fight I think that they will see it as an easier option to just cut AO loose and shuffle the flying around within its own businesses. Such a shame when so many made the sacrifice to relocate to Cairns and re-establish themselves and their families, buying houses and property, becoming part of the commmunity etc.
To compenste for this positions at JQ Int. CNS base will be offered as will Casual C Contract positions with MAM to fly shorthaul out of the 4 bases here in OZ.
If these options are not taken then the only option left will be to take VR or be made CR.
AO crew and now the second highest wage earners amongst the QF FA's. This means that management will not offer permanent jobs that have a higher rate of pay or earning capacity.
If QF management suspect a big fight I think that they will see it as an easier option to just cut AO loose and shuffle the flying around within its own businesses. Such a shame when so many made the sacrifice to relocate to Cairns and re-establish themselves and their families, buying houses and property, becoming part of the commmunity etc.
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Um, LRO, that's the first time I heard that version of AO's future, quite a sad one really, just a goss I hope. I've always heard that after AUG/SEP, we'll be flying to a new destination and a port that we are familiar with, as they were words from our management, hope it's true. Remain positive, remain positive!!!
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I hope that everyone gets a permanent job at least. It doesnt seem right that the company can 'give' your employment to MAM? Surely there is a legal obligation somwhere!!! And hopefully it is just a rumour!
Goodluck, I hope the outcome is positive for all of you.
I hope that everyone gets a permanent job at least. It doesnt seem right that the company can 'give' your employment to MAM? Surely there is a legal obligation somwhere!!! And hopefully it is just a rumour!
Goodluck, I hope the outcome is positive for all of you.
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more speculation!
I think all AO crew need to chill. There is so many possibilities. Remember AO no longer exists. It's an employment company. It will remain an employment company for the time being. The big changes wont come yet. They will come once the new owners take charge. In the mean time, stay positive.
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"It doesnt seem right that the company can 'give' your employment to MAM? "
They cant!
However, I think MAM will be offered as an option for those who wish to leave the base, but continue to fly! It would probably be a single interview as a formality! Similar situation to those who were on the hold list with AO last year.
AO has no transfer rights into QF and as far as I know, from what I have read of your EBA, the "Transmission of Business" clause only provides a permanent positon in similar role IF there is one available. If QF did offer transfers it would only be a limited no. of permanent positions, but they would have to satisfy their own obligations to career progression from Jetstar and the regionals, who do have transfer rights!
Basically your EBA leaves you with your hands tied and QF in a position where they have no obligation to any on the crew!
As I said before, it is such a shame, because the people I have met from AO are all very professional and committed to the company. I wish you all the best of luck and hope that it is a positive outcome for each and every one of you!
They cant!
However, I think MAM will be offered as an option for those who wish to leave the base, but continue to fly! It would probably be a single interview as a formality! Similar situation to those who were on the hold list with AO last year.
AO has no transfer rights into QF and as far as I know, from what I have read of your EBA, the "Transmission of Business" clause only provides a permanent positon in similar role IF there is one available. If QF did offer transfers it would only be a limited no. of permanent positions, but they would have to satisfy their own obligations to career progression from Jetstar and the regionals, who do have transfer rights!
Basically your EBA leaves you with your hands tied and QF in a position where they have no obligation to any on the crew!
As I said before, it is such a shame, because the people I have met from AO are all very professional and committed to the company. I wish you all the best of luck and hope that it is a positive outcome for each and every one of you!
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Permanent QF Positions
I have been on a wait-list for a Qf F/A position for nearly two years... I recieved an e-mail from QF about three weeks ago asking if I would like my application transfered to M.A.M as ther was no chance of permanent positions becoming available.
I hope all works out for AO crew but cant imagine QF will offer full time positions to them if they dont have too... They are not know for their great Employee relations... Good Luck Guys!!!
I hope all works out for AO crew but cant imagine QF will offer full time positions to them if they dont have too... They are not know for their great Employee relations... Good Luck Guys!!!
don't be so sure WA MAN. What they have told you is regarding external applications. AO crew are already permanent employees of the Qantas group and are operating Qantas flights, and working under a more efficient and cheaper EBA than LH. Someone said the other day that AO crew are the "jewell in the crown" of the Qantas group.
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Nice to see you back biting when needed cartexchange !! Where have you been old girl ? Thought you finally took that long awaited VR !
And Yes love, J.Borgetti has been saying nice things about us. Apparently customer satisfaction on AO operated QF flights are very high ( as was the case also when we were AO )
I really hope something good arises out of our loss of KIX and NGO flying.
AO is such a great bunch of people and I think QF know that.
And Yes love, J.Borgetti has been saying nice things about us. Apparently customer satisfaction on AO operated QF flights are very high ( as was the case also when we were AO )
I really hope something good arises out of our loss of KIX and NGO flying.
AO is such a great bunch of people and I think QF know that.
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We were also told that customers have noticed that on AO operated QF flights -:
* Crew actually do 20 min refreshment runs
* Crew wear jackets for boarding...and even button them up !
* Crew wear nametags !!
* Crew groom themselves to a very high standard, and wear clean, polished, correct uniform footwear
* Crew clean toilets
* Crew Smile
* J class service is operated correctly ( no shortcuts )
* Crew are approachable and helpful before and after flight. I.E - terminal
* Callbells always answered in a timely fashion
Just passing on what was heard, hopefully this gives QF a few good reasons to give us some more flying, rather than send us all to spottheaussieSTAR.
* Crew actually do 20 min refreshment runs
* Crew wear jackets for boarding...and even button them up !
* Crew wear nametags !!
* Crew groom themselves to a very high standard, and wear clean, polished, correct uniform footwear
* Crew clean toilets
* Crew Smile
* J class service is operated correctly ( no shortcuts )
* Crew are approachable and helpful before and after flight. I.E - terminal
* Callbells always answered in a timely fashion
Just passing on what was heard, hopefully this gives QF a few good reasons to give us some more flying, rather than send us all to spottheaussieSTAR.
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Australian Airlines Crew can only operate services for Qantas on the 767.
Suggestions from when JQ take your KIX and NGO?????
CNS-CTS(seasonal)
CNS-HKG
CNS-ICN
CNS-SIN or CNS-DRW-SIN
CNS-NRT-PER-NRT-CNS
CNS-BNE-AKL
CNS-BNE-BKK
CNS-BNE-HNL
CNS-BNE-HKG
CNS-BNE-SIN
CNS-SYD-HNL
CNS-SYD-ICN
CNS-SYD-JKT
CNS-MEL-NRT
Suggestions from when JQ take your KIX and NGO?????
CNS-CTS(seasonal)
CNS-HKG
CNS-ICN
CNS-SIN or CNS-DRW-SIN
CNS-NRT-PER-NRT-CNS
CNS-BNE-AKL
CNS-BNE-BKK
CNS-BNE-HNL
CNS-BNE-HKG
CNS-BNE-SIN
CNS-SYD-HNL
CNS-SYD-ICN
CNS-SYD-JKT
CNS-MEL-NRT
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Sonique................ we all know as cabin crew it all depends on the crew on any particular day as how well th crew operate..........all divisions have great crew members who do their job really well and the pax love them..............we all have slack crew and great crew just admit it and really pax wouldnt know which or what crew was crewing what flight
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Sonique
Surely an old bird like you knows when they have been b()llsh!tted to!
They say that stuff to everyone.
Your experience will tell you that the line spin is "you're great and wonderful" and then whammo they stab you with something.
Anyway I can assure you that QF really do not care about customer satisfaction but only the bottom dollar.
Honey do you really think that our customers care or even know if you have your badge on or wearing your jacket! Honey! reality grip here, most of our pax can even decide what to eat or drink......
tell your collegues not to be so gullible and get street smart its the only way to survive in this den of thieves
Surely an old bird like you knows when they have been b()llsh!tted to!
They say that stuff to everyone.
Your experience will tell you that the line spin is "you're great and wonderful" and then whammo they stab you with something.
Anyway I can assure you that QF really do not care about customer satisfaction but only the bottom dollar.
Honey do you really think that our customers care or even know if you have your badge on or wearing your jacket! Honey! reality grip here, most of our pax can even decide what to eat or drink......
tell your collegues not to be so gullible and get street smart its the only way to survive in this den of thieves
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Thanks Sonique for the comment that JB is getting reports back about our customer service. It is nice to know that it doesn't go unnoticed.
Also to add to your list of service differences from us you forgot to mention the " relax and unwind" service( the hot chocolate/chamomile tea sevice after lunch). When we first started doing this service our icans( trip reports) kept reflecting that we kept running out of hot chocolate. QF Products services in Sydney couldnt figure it out as it didnt happen in LH. When we would ask our LH colleagues about how they did this service the standard reply was - "Oh nobody does that service....We just tip that in the bin! "
Seated and Secured- you are right... slack crew are in all airlines and we have a few here but because we are a small group and know each other well most will lift their game to not be noticed. Also despite the uncertainties at the moment our morale( or engagement) is fairly good and we all know how infectious good and bad morale is on a crew. Most pax dont know the differences between who/what port division is crewing a flight but our wet lease arrangement with QF dictates that the boarding passes have printed on them " operated by Australian Airlines". I am also fairly sure it is referred to in their on line booking, as it is when you book on the staff travel website. Observant pax do notice this and many will ask us inflight what it means and comment on how much they have enjoyed the flight.
Also to add to your list of service differences from us you forgot to mention the " relax and unwind" service( the hot chocolate/chamomile tea sevice after lunch). When we first started doing this service our icans( trip reports) kept reflecting that we kept running out of hot chocolate. QF Products services in Sydney couldnt figure it out as it didnt happen in LH. When we would ask our LH colleagues about how they did this service the standard reply was - "Oh nobody does that service....We just tip that in the bin! "
Seated and Secured- you are right... slack crew are in all airlines and we have a few here but because we are a small group and know each other well most will lift their game to not be noticed. Also despite the uncertainties at the moment our morale( or engagement) is fairly good and we all know how infectious good and bad morale is on a crew. Most pax dont know the differences between who/what port division is crewing a flight but our wet lease arrangement with QF dictates that the boarding passes have printed on them " operated by Australian Airlines". I am also fairly sure it is referred to in their on line booking, as it is when you book on the staff travel website. Observant pax do notice this and many will ask us inflight what it means and comment on how much they have enjoyed the flight.
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a very sad post goldcoast......very sad indeed....
I have never ever seen hot choc being thrown in the bin and I have never seen people not do it and I fly LH so I should know.
How sad that you listen to some idle gossip and decide to that its fact.
when I was reading your post the thought that came into my head was" this person is really deluded"
Do you honestly think that JB gives a toss about customer satisfaction in any division, its all about which division are will give him the biggest bonus.
However you can continue to live in your little fairy land where you honestly think that it will make a difference that "JB knows about the CNS whatever sector you operated on!
How sad indeed!
I have never ever seen hot choc being thrown in the bin and I have never seen people not do it and I fly LH so I should know.
How sad that you listen to some idle gossip and decide to that its fact.
when I was reading your post the thought that came into my head was" this person is really deluded"
Do you honestly think that JB gives a toss about customer satisfaction in any division, its all about which division are will give him the biggest bonus.
However you can continue to live in your little fairy land where you honestly think that it will make a difference that "JB knows about the CNS whatever sector you operated on!
How sad indeed!
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Sonique....Do you girls ever understand what guys like JB do.
If they thought that AO were so good why did they shelve you guys?
J* does not get good feedback so if you guys were the jewel in the crown why would they close you guys down..wake up and smell the artificial flowers that QF uses.
These guys will say and do anything to get a bonus
If they thought that AO were so good why did they shelve you guys?
J* does not get good feedback so if you guys were the jewel in the crown why would they close you guys down..wake up and smell the artificial flowers that QF uses.
These guys will say and do anything to get a bonus