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Sad but True
for clarification what is sad is that the public believe it, not that it is true 
Let's face the facts. Qantas is the most heavily unionised company in australia and yet despite the bleating of some in current management they would have you believe that Qantas suffers as a result of that.
The reality, whilst average incomes in Australia over the last few years have risen by over 4% pa, Qantas workers except for management have restrained themselves to 3% outcomes, a pay freeze for 12 mths and generally since EBA's started have a lower outcome in wages than average Australians.
Having said that Qantas is one of the most profitable airlines in the world, assisted by the level of protection and the demise of AN , but nonetheless its hard to argue that Qantas workers in general are overpaid.
The terms overpaid is one that is very subjective and deals usually with relativities. By Most standards around the world most workers are better off. but isnt that the benefit of living in a Country like Australia.
Personally i dont think that we should have to lower our standards of living because the worlds richest men who live in the shadows can pull a few extra trillion bucks.
Sadly though its the way of the modern world and short of some sort of revolution unlikely to change. We at Qantas just have to accept the reality and not actaully have to like it. But to survive and maintain at least job security we have to be competetive..
Let's face the facts. Qantas is the most heavily unionised company in australia and yet despite the bleating of some in current management they would have you believe that Qantas suffers as a result of that.
The reality, whilst average incomes in Australia over the last few years have risen by over 4% pa, Qantas workers except for management have restrained themselves to 3% outcomes, a pay freeze for 12 mths and generally since EBA's started have a lower outcome in wages than average Australians.
Having said that Qantas is one of the most profitable airlines in the world, assisted by the level of protection and the demise of AN , but nonetheless its hard to argue that Qantas workers in general are overpaid.
The terms overpaid is one that is very subjective and deals usually with relativities. By Most standards around the world most workers are better off. but isnt that the benefit of living in a Country like Australia.
Personally i dont think that we should have to lower our standards of living because the worlds richest men who live in the shadows can pull a few extra trillion bucks.
Sadly though its the way of the modern world and short of some sort of revolution unlikely to change. We at Qantas just have to accept the reality and not actaully have to like it. But to survive and maintain at least job security we have to be competetive..
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We all know that our boss set up J* to lower our conditions and use it against us.
If the takeover eventuates and the new owners do what they normally do after taking over they may sell off any part of the QF group that is not making any REAL money.
If J* is not making much money compared to QF mainline then they might sell it and keep the one part making a decent profit and that is us.
If the takeover eventuates and the new owners do what they normally do after taking over they may sell off any part of the QF group that is not making any REAL money.
If J* is not making much money compared to QF mainline then they might sell it and keep the one part making a decent profit and that is us.
If you spend $5 dollars on a Clock that will last you 10 years or spend $10 on a clock that will last 5 years.... Which would you take.... The cheapest long lasting one ?
Qantas thinks nothing of painting a plane and changing a uniform......
Australian/TAA = QF Domestic
Australian = QF operated by Australian
Impulse = Qantaslink
Southern = Eastern
Qantaslink = Jetstar
QF A330 = Jetstar International
This is uncertain times for all in the group including Catering and Holidays as well as Mainline, Regional , Jetstar..
At the end of the day its all about the Fat Cats in CBR and the CEO's making a quick buck before retirement..... ONE GD is skidding out of control towards retirement so an extra $$$$$ mill or 5 inthe bank will do nicely....
The QF brand will remain... We all know that..... WHO will operate it, is anyones guess.....
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a bit of comparison
i use two friends (f/a,s), one in united (after all the chapter 11 restructure) 15 years flying U$ 65000.- (U.S.A. lower tax rates, mortgages tax deductable, even on your investment property,etc.),
another one lufthansa on euro 55000.-, higher taxes,free health care, full pension benefits,etc.
are they going bankrupt? no, lets face as peg47 points out the fact Qf is one of the most profitable carriers out there. what is never mentioned is that Qf managment team is on of THE MOST expensive at this point.
what i still dont understand is why ALL QF unions get their act together and start publishing those comparison!!!!!!!!!!!!
another one lufthansa on euro 55000.-, higher taxes,free health care, full pension benefits,etc.
are they going bankrupt? no, lets face as peg47 points out the fact Qf is one of the most profitable carriers out there. what is never mentioned is that Qf managment team is on of THE MOST expensive at this point.
what i still dont understand is why ALL QF unions get their act together and start publishing those comparison!!!!!!!!!!!!
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qcc2,
I could not agree more as I have asked many times of the faaa reps here (who still pretend not to).
It is one of the most basics laws of defence and why we join together as a union instaed of trying to negotiate with the company individually..
One of the oldest sayings around..
"UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL"...
Still we get nothing from the FAAA cone of silence...good one guys
I could not agree more as I have asked many times of the faaa reps here (who still pretend not to).
It is one of the most basics laws of defence and why we join together as a union instaed of trying to negotiate with the company individually..
One of the oldest sayings around..
"UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL"...
Still we get nothing from the FAAA cone of silence...good one guys
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Is it true that the office wants volunteers to form a committee to look at ways of reducing sick leave.
One way being looked at is to have a christmas roster . In other words ask who wants to work over Christams and who wants to be at home.
This was mentioned years ago and the company's response was that they were not in the business of pleasing crew so that was that.
Now that they have come up with the same idea it is apparently a great one.....
One way being looked at is to have a christmas roster . In other words ask who wants to work over Christams and who wants to be at home.
This was mentioned years ago and the company's response was that they were not in the business of pleasing crew so that was that.
Now that they have come up with the same idea it is apparently a great one.....
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apparently there are more LH - SH tranfers on the way.
The Association has argued and will continue to press for an increase to the full time establishment. In fact it is anticipated transfers will occur shortly from Long Haul and we are hopeful career progression may also be available in the first half of 2007.
The Association has argued and will continue to press for an increase to the full time establishment. In fact it is anticipated transfers will occur shortly from Long Haul and we are hopeful career progression may also be available in the first half of 2007.
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We know you don't so I'll explain it again for you.
The domestic union negotiated with Qantas to do the 767/A330 international flying for less money than the international flight attendants.
QF transferred as much of that flying to the domestics as it could creating a situation where they now have too many international FAs so instead of having them sit around doing nothing it forces them to take their long service leave.
The domestic union negotiated with Qantas to do the 767/A330 international flying for less money than the international flight attendants.
QF transferred as much of that flying to the domestics as it could creating a situation where they now have too many international FAs so instead of having them sit around doing nothing it forces them to take their long service leave.
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Hey Roaming,
I like the bit about a group to look at sickies....very funny.
I can guess the subject in the room as they get together.."right now people we need you to tell us about any crew who you hear are going to pull the pin on a trip".....
In fact it will probably be chaired by action jackson or fat boy slim
Then you will get a flurry of arms and hands raised as they try to dob someone in to get ahead themelves.The sad part is that there are enough people as we see here that are more than willing to dob in a fellow crew member.
What do they think they are going to achieve by this ...
I like the bit about a group to look at sickies....very funny.
I can guess the subject in the room as they get together.."right now people we need you to tell us about any crew who you hear are going to pull the pin on a trip".....
In fact it will probably be chaired by action jackson or fat boy slim
Then you will get a flurry of arms and hands raised as they try to dob someone in to get ahead themelves.The sad part is that there are enough people as we see here that are more than willing to dob in a fellow crew member.
What do they think they are going to achieve by this ...
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Folks
I'm closing this thread down. It has become very large and cumbersome, so for housekeeping reasons only, the thread is now closed, and a new thread QANTAS - Australia II has been opened HERE. This also seems a suitable time to re-start given the latest develoments in the QF bid.
May the forum mods thank you for your continued restraint when discussing matters QF - It is clearly a challenging time for all QF group staff.
I'm closing this thread down. It has become very large and cumbersome, so for housekeeping reasons only, the thread is now closed, and a new thread QANTAS - Australia II has been opened HERE. This also seems a suitable time to re-start given the latest develoments in the QF bid.
May the forum mods thank you for your continued restraint when discussing matters QF - It is clearly a challenging time for all QF group staff.
