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Lurker. Go have a cry somewhere else mate.
To all the old LH crew your day has arrived. As I have said before the writing is on the wall. You are all over paid,under worked anyway. get into the real world. bring on the next 6 months.I will enjoy every moment of it.
To all the old LH crew your day has arrived. As I have said before the writing is on the wall. You are all over paid,under worked anyway. get into the real world. bring on the next 6 months.I will enjoy every moment of it.
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lurker@R5 alias lowerlobe alias cartexchange
Guardy, if i were you i would just ignore some of these guys like lurker@r5 and i think it's a safe bet it is the same disturbed person under several names.
I think it was Guardian who has said that these fools are ex FAAA officials that we dumped, and i think he's right. They are still fuming over the shallacking that crew gave to them.
Humiliation runs deep doesn't it lowerlobe, lurker and cartexchange?
Imagine criticising the FAAA which for the first time is not wasting members money on dead rent and re-locating the FAAA OFFICE CLOSE TO WHERE MEMBERS WORK.
Man what a moron!!!!!
I think it was Guardian who has said that these fools are ex FAAA officials that we dumped, and i think he's right. They are still fuming over the shallacking that crew gave to them.
Humiliation runs deep doesn't it lowerlobe, lurker and cartexchange?
Imagine criticising the FAAA which for the first time is not wasting members money on dead rent and re-locating the FAAA OFFICE CLOSE TO WHERE MEMBERS WORK.
Man what a moron!!!!!
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Has anyone else heard the rumour that with our increased [5 a week] flights into JFK we will be slipping again.
I was told that the overtime payable on the 15+ hour tour of duty will be more expensive than slipping us there ??
Anyone got any info???
I was told that the overtime payable on the 15+ hour tour of duty will be more expensive than slipping us there ??
Anyone got any info???
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relocating the union office close to where people work??
mate -we are a work force IN ABSENTIA! UNLIKE UNION OFFICIALS - WE ACTUALLY FLY OVERSEAS FOR A LIVING!
Ever heard of email, telephone, fax?
Mascot is easy for for the union exec to have a cuppa & network with the visitors.
mate -we are a work force IN ABSENTIA! UNLIKE UNION OFFICIALS - WE ACTUALLY FLY OVERSEAS FOR A LIVING!
Ever heard of email, telephone, fax?
Mascot is easy for for the union exec to have a cuppa & network with the visitors.
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Lurker you are so right
It's so much more sensible to pay over 100,000 a year in rent. I mean why buy and have an asset for a rainy day when you can give your money to someone else.
i Mean we should have stayed in the city and used cab vouchers every time the officials had to come to mascot for meetings or the 3 or 4 clause 11 meetings a day. Pay for parking in the city. when you can park for free at mascot.
God the old officials over the years had it right, i mean why would you want to be near the sign on area for gods sake, the members might actually find it convenient and call in now and then to discuss issues.
So much better to be in the city where its totally inconvenient for the members.
I thank god that we had the sense to vote these guys in the 12 officials we have now are the best we have ever had.
Hopefully they might even be able to mend the fences with the domestic division who have also bought and paid for their own premises too and make one strong union again,
Divided we will surely fail.
For all the crticism of union officials in here i still have not heard an alternate plan...... the reality is that thr collective wisdom in here would be better placed writing their thoughts to the FAAA than in here for the company to read and see what a bunch of morons they employ
It's so much more sensible to pay over 100,000 a year in rent. I mean why buy and have an asset for a rainy day when you can give your money to someone else.
i Mean we should have stayed in the city and used cab vouchers every time the officials had to come to mascot for meetings or the 3 or 4 clause 11 meetings a day. Pay for parking in the city. when you can park for free at mascot.
God the old officials over the years had it right, i mean why would you want to be near the sign on area for gods sake, the members might actually find it convenient and call in now and then to discuss issues.
So much better to be in the city where its totally inconvenient for the members.
I thank god that we had the sense to vote these guys in the 12 officials we have now are the best we have ever had.
Hopefully they might even be able to mend the fences with the domestic division who have also bought and paid for their own premises too and make one strong union again,
Divided we will surely fail.
For all the crticism of union officials in here i still have not heard an alternate plan...... the reality is that thr collective wisdom in here would be better placed writing their thoughts to the FAAA than in here for the company to read and see what a bunch of morons they employ
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Article from todays SMH.
What the Dickens will workers do when the spotlight turns off?
By Richard Glover
April 15, 2006
EACH day this week we've been treated to another Dickensian tale from Australia's workplaces. Reading the newspaper has been like flipping through the pages of Hard Times or Bleak House. Get Lionel Bart to add music, and the whole thing could give Oliver Twist a run for its money.
Dickens, of course, has sometimes been accused of laying on the pathos a bit thick. Would a workhouse boss really turn on a starving child who simply held out his empty bowl and asked for "More, please"? Would any employer be as hard-hearted as the vividly drawn Ebenezer Scrooge in A Christmas Carol - being so beastly to Bob Cratchit and poor crippled Tiny Tim?
Thank God the Australian industrial relations system is now rushing to rescue Dickens's literary reputation. After this week's news, even his lachrymose storylines are starting to look restrained.
Take the tale of the Melbourne construction workers who paused in their work to take a collection to help a family in need. Christos Binos, a fellow construction worker, was killed last month when he was crushed by a concrete slab, leaving a wife and three children. The workers, in one of the fine traditions of the industry, stopped work for 15 minutes to take a collection to help Binos's widow.
Their employer was quite happy about the stoppage, yet because it was "unauthorised" in terms of the act, the boss has been forced to dock each of the workers four hours' pay. If the firm failed to dock the workers, it faced fines of up to $33,000 under the new workplace rules, and so - reluctantly - the employer acted.
The result was that the employees worked for no pay for 3¾ hours - punished for their act of communality and generosity. For all the good it did them, they might as well have downed tools for the full four hours.
Beat that, Charles Dickens: a storyline in which a government agency steps in to force an employer to be less compassionate.
Or there's the case of the 70 coalminers in Queensland. They arrived at a new job, only to find the accommodation was infested with fleas and feral cats, and built atop an overflowing septic tank which had contaminated the site.
They refused to work until the fleas and cats were removed and the flow of raw sewage staunched - a process which took three days. For this act of unreasonable self-regard and luxury-seeking, the Government's Office of Workplace Services has been suing these 70 workers for $20,000 each in fines for unlawful industrial action; with their union fined $100,000. The Government agency backed off this week, no doubt disliking the glare of bad publicity.
Read it, Charles Dickens, and weep. Suddenly Josiah Bounderby in Hard Times looks like a bit of a pushover; Scrooge himself a softy.
Dickens always liked to feature some younger characters. He may have warmed to the story of Amber Oswald, the 16-year-old juice bar worker whose case was highlighted this week by the Herald.
Made redundant and then rehired, her pay for a seven-hour Sunday shift has gone from $99.89 before tax two weeks ago to $59.99. Amber might work in the juice business, but it's not just the oranges and lemons that are being squeezed dry.
Her employer, when approached and photographed by the Herald, sensibly claimed to be someone else. Meanwhile, on radio, her manager claimed there had been a mistake and she would now be given more money.
You'll notice the pattern: every day a new shameful story emerges. And every day there is some sort of temporary backdown by either the government agency or the employer. Whether it is the Cowra meatworkers or the Queensland miners, the glare of publicity brings a backflip.
Yet the backdown is always specific to that case; at no time does the Minister for Workplace Relations, Kevin Andrews, confess that the new laws might be at fault. At Cowra, for example, the employer had sacked its entire workforce and was proposing to rehire the bulk of workers at lower rates. It backed down after three or four days of bad publicity. Yet, when asked about the case, the minister hasn't been willing to hazard a guess as to whether the company's proposed action would have been legal under the new laws.
Why this shadow dance? The Government and its cheer squad are just waiting for the media to tire of the story. Those mistreated under the new laws will get a good hearing - but only while they can secure some media coverage of their plight. Once that stops, as it inevitably will, so will the backflips.
Which leads us to the real question: what the Dickens will Australian workers do then?
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Capt Stabn,
our present EBA prevents this and will not expire till the end 2007.
Plenty of office dwelling CSSs are convinced that the job will be up for grabs come years end will unprecedented levels of brown nosing sited.
I suspect that Jitconnict management have been dangling the carrot to keep their lot distracted..........
By Richard Glover
April 15, 2006
EACH day this week we've been treated to another Dickensian tale from Australia's workplaces. Reading the newspaper has been like flipping through the pages of Hard Times or Bleak House. Get Lionel Bart to add music, and the whole thing could give Oliver Twist a run for its money.
Dickens, of course, has sometimes been accused of laying on the pathos a bit thick. Would a workhouse boss really turn on a starving child who simply held out his empty bowl and asked for "More, please"? Would any employer be as hard-hearted as the vividly drawn Ebenezer Scrooge in A Christmas Carol - being so beastly to Bob Cratchit and poor crippled Tiny Tim?
Thank God the Australian industrial relations system is now rushing to rescue Dickens's literary reputation. After this week's news, even his lachrymose storylines are starting to look restrained.
Take the tale of the Melbourne construction workers who paused in their work to take a collection to help a family in need. Christos Binos, a fellow construction worker, was killed last month when he was crushed by a concrete slab, leaving a wife and three children. The workers, in one of the fine traditions of the industry, stopped work for 15 minutes to take a collection to help Binos's widow.
Their employer was quite happy about the stoppage, yet because it was "unauthorised" in terms of the act, the boss has been forced to dock each of the workers four hours' pay. If the firm failed to dock the workers, it faced fines of up to $33,000 under the new workplace rules, and so - reluctantly - the employer acted.
The result was that the employees worked for no pay for 3¾ hours - punished for their act of communality and generosity. For all the good it did them, they might as well have downed tools for the full four hours.
Beat that, Charles Dickens: a storyline in which a government agency steps in to force an employer to be less compassionate.
Or there's the case of the 70 coalminers in Queensland. They arrived at a new job, only to find the accommodation was infested with fleas and feral cats, and built atop an overflowing septic tank which had contaminated the site.
They refused to work until the fleas and cats were removed and the flow of raw sewage staunched - a process which took three days. For this act of unreasonable self-regard and luxury-seeking, the Government's Office of Workplace Services has been suing these 70 workers for $20,000 each in fines for unlawful industrial action; with their union fined $100,000. The Government agency backed off this week, no doubt disliking the glare of bad publicity.
Read it, Charles Dickens, and weep. Suddenly Josiah Bounderby in Hard Times looks like a bit of a pushover; Scrooge himself a softy.
Dickens always liked to feature some younger characters. He may have warmed to the story of Amber Oswald, the 16-year-old juice bar worker whose case was highlighted this week by the Herald.
Made redundant and then rehired, her pay for a seven-hour Sunday shift has gone from $99.89 before tax two weeks ago to $59.99. Amber might work in the juice business, but it's not just the oranges and lemons that are being squeezed dry.
Her employer, when approached and photographed by the Herald, sensibly claimed to be someone else. Meanwhile, on radio, her manager claimed there had been a mistake and she would now be given more money.
You'll notice the pattern: every day a new shameful story emerges. And every day there is some sort of temporary backdown by either the government agency or the employer. Whether it is the Cowra meatworkers or the Queensland miners, the glare of publicity brings a backflip.
Yet the backdown is always specific to that case; at no time does the Minister for Workplace Relations, Kevin Andrews, confess that the new laws might be at fault. At Cowra, for example, the employer had sacked its entire workforce and was proposing to rehire the bulk of workers at lower rates. It backed down after three or four days of bad publicity. Yet, when asked about the case, the minister hasn't been willing to hazard a guess as to whether the company's proposed action would have been legal under the new laws.
Why this shadow dance? The Government and its cheer squad are just waiting for the media to tire of the story. Those mistreated under the new laws will get a good hearing - but only while they can secure some media coverage of their plight. Once that stops, as it inevitably will, so will the backflips.
Which leads us to the real question: what the Dickens will Australian workers do then?
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Capt Stabn,
our present EBA prevents this and will not expire till the end 2007.
Plenty of office dwelling CSSs are convinced that the job will be up for grabs come years end will unprecedented levels of brown nosing sited.
I suspect that Jitconnict management have been dangling the carrot to keep their lot distracted..........
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Well, the faaa propaganda, mis-information and self congratulating team have been stung into action again and on a grand scale..They are like a cut snake,in fact that should be a new saying ,"they are angrier than a criticised faaa official"
Can you imagine the FAAA office deep in the ICAN proof bunker as lurker has pointed out.. “girls..girls…lowerlobe and some others are at it again posting bad things about us….they are cowards…how dare they say things like that about us…..we will take turns and post things about them….who wants to be first..ok Steve…”
There is nothing like some criticism to motivate the Iraqi…sorry faaa leadership.I’m sure that the faaa has hired that guy that held all those press conferences for Saddam. “We will wipe out the Americans,they are burning in the desert,this will be the mother of all defeats for the infidels”
I’m not quite sure what planet Guardian,Peggy,Eden and their mates are from but it is an isolated and very inward looking one.
I would like to see Guardian’s keyboard after my newsletter parody with his first reply and then after taking a deep breath and more than a few valium he replied again on a more even keel.Guys you are totally out of step with most cabin crew and the company is loving it all the way.
If you want a suggestion as how to save more money how about you lease the faaa HQ and it’s bunker and move into QCC so as to be even closer to crew.The company and yourselves could save a lot of money being closer to each other so when you want to get together to put out a propaganda newsletter you only have to walk to another floor.You could even have one of the nice new rooms that look like fish tanks so we can see you guys and get your attention….
Again we see the rantings of Guardian and his sidekick plagiarism99 backing him up telling us that to succeed we must give in and bend over....YEP that worked a treat stopping AO from going the way of the dinosaur .He also tells us that there was no real need to have a vote and ask the membership what they thought .... I can see that MM and SR look at North Korea for ideas ,at least for management style and democratic concepts..
So not only was there no need to have a legal referendum beyond reproach but there really was no need to have a vote at all.....
Can you imagine the FAAA office deep in the ICAN proof bunker as lurker has pointed out.. “girls..girls…lowerlobe and some others are at it again posting bad things about us….they are cowards…how dare they say things like that about us…..we will take turns and post things about them….who wants to be first..ok Steve…”
There is nothing like some criticism to motivate the Iraqi…sorry faaa leadership.I’m sure that the faaa has hired that guy that held all those press conferences for Saddam. “We will wipe out the Americans,they are burning in the desert,this will be the mother of all defeats for the infidels”
I’m not quite sure what planet Guardian,Peggy,Eden and their mates are from but it is an isolated and very inward looking one.
I would like to see Guardian’s keyboard after my newsletter parody with his first reply and then after taking a deep breath and more than a few valium he replied again on a more even keel.Guys you are totally out of step with most cabin crew and the company is loving it all the way.
If you want a suggestion as how to save more money how about you lease the faaa HQ and it’s bunker and move into QCC so as to be even closer to crew.The company and yourselves could save a lot of money being closer to each other so when you want to get together to put out a propaganda newsletter you only have to walk to another floor.You could even have one of the nice new rooms that look like fish tanks so we can see you guys and get your attention….
Again we see the rantings of Guardian and his sidekick plagiarism99 backing him up telling us that to succeed we must give in and bend over....YEP that worked a treat stopping AO from going the way of the dinosaur .He also tells us that there was no real need to have a vote and ask the membership what they thought .... I can see that MM and SR look at North Korea for ideas ,at least for management style and democratic concepts..
So not only was there no need to have a legal referendum beyond reproach but there really was no need to have a vote at all.....
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Overpaid?
Ahhh yes right on cue in comes the company stooge ranting and raving "Ewes are all overpaid!!" Well done flyagain1day (hopefully not too soon, are you in the fear of flying club?) so predictable. If you want to see people overpaid just look at the salary & bonuses of our greed is good management. Obscene is the word. I'm paid well not overpaid other divisions of cabin crew are underpaid. Just read the news item posted by speedbirdhouse (and thanks for that) and you'll see what's happening in the real world. There's a revolution brewing ladies & gentlemen, err sorry I mean Hello everyone, and that revolution is gathering steam!! Brace for impact!!
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Cant wait to see the look on your face. It wont be long now. Bring it on.
The man at the top has the ball rolling and you guys are just about under it.
LH needs a clean out like this, the only problem is it should have happened sooner.
Cant wait to see the look on your face. It wont be long now. Bring it on.
The man at the top has the ball rolling and you guys are just about under it.
LH needs a clean out like this, the only problem is it should have happened sooner.
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BIG STUFF on seniority
I was just reading the AIRC transcript online with regards to the whole SH EBA stalling and the challenge by the 2 crew.
One of the witnesses they question from QF is Naomi Hodby Manager Resources and part of her response to a question is.....
People say they arent looking at seniority - your kidding yourself. 
One of the witnesses they question from QF is Naomi Hodby Manager Resources and part of her response to a question is.....
So are you saying that Qantas never examined the issue of the rostering system as a whole and its impact on flight attendants generally in positions of recent seniority?---We look at it regularly. We're obviously looking at a new system at the moment which is some time off and a significant spend. Basically every other airline in the world assigns work, so you don't get any choice over when you work. You just get given a roster. We at the moment obviously have some preferential type bidding system, but, yes, we're looking at current alternate systems at the moment. Whether they are adaptive to carer's responsibilities I guess is another question.
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Wow that was an intelligent response. You must have really thought that through. I'm really trembling in my boots ....... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been through it all and we've seen it all before. There is nothing repeat nothing that this mob of
can do to me to spoil my enjoyment of this job. Bring what on?? Are we talking about rocket science or running an Australian airline with a proud history and an excellent service to it's passengers? Do we have management or a sadistic bunch of control freaks hellbent on persecuting it's employees?
Time will tell. If the bell tolls it may toll for thee shotdown1day.
The man at the top has the ball and is racing down field only to be driven over the sideline with a driving thumping tackle from the Shlonghaul.
Now I have the ball
Wow that was an intelligent response. You must have really thought that through. I'm really trembling in my boots ....... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been through it all and we've seen it all before. There is nothing repeat nothing that this mob of
can do to me to spoil my enjoyment of this job. Bring what on?? Are we talking about rocket science or running an Australian airline with a proud history and an excellent service to it's passengers? Do we have management or a sadistic bunch of control freaks hellbent on persecuting it's employees?Time will tell. If the bell tolls it may toll for thee shotdown1day.
The man at the top has the ball and is racing down field only to be driven over the sideline with a driving thumping tackle from the Shlonghaul.
Now I have the ball
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Verbose Myopic Morons
The vocal minority who are hell bent on changing the bid system and removing seniority are also those who will fly for the short term.Angry little people who are self important, create mayhem and then leave when they realize that the changes they craved are not so acceptable after all.
They leave the rest of us with a legacy of their stupidity.
They accept no responsibility as they are no longer here to suffer the consequences of their verbosity.
Nothing but little sociopaths.
So it is with the salacious little miscreants whose catch cry is "bring it on".
Perhaps that is what their parents should have done at the time of their conception.
They leave the rest of us with a legacy of their stupidity.
They accept no responsibility as they are no longer here to suffer the consequences of their verbosity.
Nothing but little sociopaths.
So it is with the salacious little miscreants whose catch cry is "bring it on".
Perhaps that is what their parents should have done at the time of their conception.
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Good stuff jetjockey7, but not worth getting worked up over these wannabe's that don't even fly and have no idea what it's like to give 25 years plus of loyal service to an airline. This is the new generation of ADD style people that want to start at the top, stuff anyone with any sort of seniority or loyalty. Just like the current bonus driven management, it's short term gain to milk as much out of Q as they can, then move on. GD is only interested in J*. That's his illegitimate child, and he will destroy Q to ensure it's success. This mentality filters all the way down to the "visitors" and even to fools like (never)flyagain1day and others like him/her.
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Right on the money jetjockey7 & radiation junkie. Agree with your comments 110 percent. Wannabees like flyagain1day are just flybynighters. Here today gone tomorrow. Time and time again our esteemed management team leave us with their mess to cleanup. I just wish they'd leave us alone to get on with the job of looking after our passengers..........and fix the debacle of the IFE system. What a joke!! Sick of apologising for the continual breakdowns.
Off now to Relax & Unwind ..... with my recalled aeroplane stress toy!!
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...................flight to Oblivion .
Hello Everyone,
Welcome aboard QF69,codesare JQ 77 & Ghana Airways 456 to Luton via Madras, Ankara & Beirut .
I'm your Jet connect Flight Supervisor- Trevor .
.................now for todays apologies.
Firstly, we are currently waiting for Captain Joyce and F/O Gregg to join us- who have just landed in on our JQ Saigon flight. As soon as they arrive we'll be on our way!.
Now the rest of the apologies.:
* There will be no IFE today due to ongoing technical problems dating back to 2005.However, we have placed 1998 editions of Readers Digest for your reading pleasure in lieu.-sorry
* There will only be 4 toilets available on this flight -sorry. But, this aircraft has just come out of our major maintanace centre in Haiphong and unfortunately they didn't have the necessary parts-sorry.
* We will not be able to gaurantee catering today either. There is currently a strike at our food suppliers-Sizzlers. -sorry.
*Unfortunately you may find the service a little slow today. We are only able to have minimum crewing numbers today due to "issues" in our Phnom Penn base-sorry.
* Please disregard the China Eastern bulkheads and seats in the rear of the cabin-again we've had some problems with our maintenance facility.-sorry
Anyways............ The Captain and F/O have now joined us.
We will be pushing back soon ,and as a reminder the tug will tow us to the end of the main runway before we will start engines-then we'll be on our way.
Once again sit back, relax and hopefuly enjoy our service (sic)
Welcome aboard QF69,codesare JQ 77 & Ghana Airways 456 to Luton via Madras, Ankara & Beirut .
I'm your Jet connect Flight Supervisor- Trevor .
.................now for todays apologies.
Firstly, we are currently waiting for Captain Joyce and F/O Gregg to join us- who have just landed in on our JQ Saigon flight. As soon as they arrive we'll be on our way!.
Now the rest of the apologies.:
* There will be no IFE today due to ongoing technical problems dating back to 2005.However, we have placed 1998 editions of Readers Digest for your reading pleasure in lieu.-sorry
* There will only be 4 toilets available on this flight -sorry. But, this aircraft has just come out of our major maintanace centre in Haiphong and unfortunately they didn't have the necessary parts-sorry.
* We will not be able to gaurantee catering today either. There is currently a strike at our food suppliers-Sizzlers. -sorry.
*Unfortunately you may find the service a little slow today. We are only able to have minimum crewing numbers today due to "issues" in our Phnom Penn base-sorry.
* Please disregard the China Eastern bulkheads and seats in the rear of the cabin-again we've had some problems with our maintenance facility.-sorry
Anyways............ The Captain and F/O have now joined us.
We will be pushing back soon ,and as a reminder the tug will tow us to the end of the main runway before we will start engines-then we'll be on our way.
Once again sit back, relax and hopefuly enjoy our service (sic)
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To those of you who want it all now and who are willing to sell their souls to the Prince of darkness and his followers be wary of the beguiling one as his promises are very empty indeed.
I’m sure you are unhappy with life under the current system and that the enticing promises are that your lot in life will change for the better as soon as the seniority system has been dismantled.
The premise of an equal and fairly loaded work system is very hollow as are the rest of their arguments .Do you think that seniority is the only issue that Darth wants to address?
The amount of hours that limit the company, days off, contactability, reserve lines, slipping formula, and hotel standards to mention only a few will also be hidden in any new system that the company is interested in.
They will not stop until we are all under the J* way of life and even then will not stop at reducing pay and conditions until I imagine one day they will want us to pay for the privilege to fly internationally or anywhere as cabin crew for 11 months.
They would love it for crew to be cost neutral and even a revenue source if they could manage it. They behave like addicts who cannot stop and who are consumed with the current corporate mantra of short term gain linked to a bonus before moving on to another corporate environment to milk that cash cow for all they can get.
Don’t forget that this forum is accessed by any number of management who have already sold their souls to Darth and have everything to gain by dividing us. We really don’t know who posts on this forum with the exception of the Easter bunnies from the faaa in the form of Pegasus, Guardian and the rest. The faaa as usual is showing absolutely no leadership over this issue and the good ship ss faaa is drifting along with no one at the helm.
Remember that seniority is only the next step for the company and that any other rostering system they want to introduce will be like a new computer program and be full of bugs that will rear their heads after it has been installed. A little like the new IFE system with the exception that we will not be able to turn it off if we don’t like what it is doing once it is up and running.
I do not believe that the timing of this legal challenge and the introduction of the new IR laws are coincidental. This has been in the planning for some time and we are only seeing act one in this Machiavellian play written by Darth.
I’m sure you are unhappy with life under the current system and that the enticing promises are that your lot in life will change for the better as soon as the seniority system has been dismantled.
The premise of an equal and fairly loaded work system is very hollow as are the rest of their arguments .Do you think that seniority is the only issue that Darth wants to address?
The amount of hours that limit the company, days off, contactability, reserve lines, slipping formula, and hotel standards to mention only a few will also be hidden in any new system that the company is interested in.
They will not stop until we are all under the J* way of life and even then will not stop at reducing pay and conditions until I imagine one day they will want us to pay for the privilege to fly internationally or anywhere as cabin crew for 11 months.
They would love it for crew to be cost neutral and even a revenue source if they could manage it. They behave like addicts who cannot stop and who are consumed with the current corporate mantra of short term gain linked to a bonus before moving on to another corporate environment to milk that cash cow for all they can get.
Don’t forget that this forum is accessed by any number of management who have already sold their souls to Darth and have everything to gain by dividing us. We really don’t know who posts on this forum with the exception of the Easter bunnies from the faaa in the form of Pegasus, Guardian and the rest. The faaa as usual is showing absolutely no leadership over this issue and the good ship ss faaa is drifting along with no one at the helm.
Remember that seniority is only the next step for the company and that any other rostering system they want to introduce will be like a new computer program and be full of bugs that will rear their heads after it has been installed. A little like the new IFE system with the exception that we will not be able to turn it off if we don’t like what it is doing once it is up and running.
I do not believe that the timing of this legal challenge and the introduction of the new IR laws are coincidental. This has been in the planning for some time and we are only seeing act one in this Machiavellian play written by Darth.
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for once i find myself agreeing with Lowerlobe. To those that just want an end to the seniority system in the hope that something coming after it will provide some greater benefit are shortsighted.
The greatest problem is that there is no recruitment and no retirement. Therefore no one is moving up the system like they did in the 90's.
The real key is to get some growth in the LH division and that will not happen while our productivity is lower and our costs are higher than all the other cabin crew in the Qantas Group.
I have heard some in here suggest that we should be proactive about these problems. Whilst i am aware that behind the scenes the FAAA has had significant discussion about this very topic and indeed have been developing a strategy to actually address this very issue i am more interested in what crew themselves are prepared to do to deal with the problems currently facing us.
I guess it would not be appropriate to discuss these things in the public forum for obvious reasons but would be happy to discuss them with anyone privately.
Anyone that wants to have a sensible discussion feel free to PM me.
The greatest problem is that there is no recruitment and no retirement. Therefore no one is moving up the system like they did in the 90's.
The real key is to get some growth in the LH division and that will not happen while our productivity is lower and our costs are higher than all the other cabin crew in the Qantas Group.
I have heard some in here suggest that we should be proactive about these problems. Whilst i am aware that behind the scenes the FAAA has had significant discussion about this very topic and indeed have been developing a strategy to actually address this very issue i am more interested in what crew themselves are prepared to do to deal with the problems currently facing us.
I guess it would not be appropriate to discuss these things in the public forum for obvious reasons but would be happy to discuss them with anyone privately.
Anyone that wants to have a sensible discussion feel free to PM me.
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.....fry again!
OK fry again........
The gig is up -we all know you're one of those lackeys who smoooze around QCC/1 and QCC/4 looking for tit bits of useless crap-in order to brown nose your way to the next upgrade.
Words of advice- DO NOT BEFRIEND THE VISITORS.
They may appear all warm and engaging BUT they are all programmed on KPI's according to darth. They could not give a rats rissole about the human element of the people they are "supposed " to be managing.
I still remember Trish Lee telling our training class:
"HAPPY CREW =HAPPY PASSENGERS."........simple.
The "ding bat" who is my "manager" rings me nearly every time I sneeze , then has the gall to make it sound "genuine"..............oh pleeeze-fark orf!!
As for the other debate raging on this forum-Seniority./Bidding
I have given up.
I am counting down the days to Aug 15 for the VR/CR final date.(200-250 positions)
I have worked out my "pay out figures", contacted Superannuation, seen my Financial advisor, sold as many QF shares as possible and booked my LSL trip for September.
I'm out of here Bucko and it will not be a moment too soon.
Sure , we all bang on about the G.O.D.'s- agree.
But looking into my Woop Crystal Ball-it spells doom and despair.
Its Darth 5...............Unions 1.............Staff 0.
Adieu.
The gig is up -we all know you're one of those lackeys who smoooze around QCC/1 and QCC/4 looking for tit bits of useless crap-in order to brown nose your way to the next upgrade.
Words of advice- DO NOT BEFRIEND THE VISITORS.
They may appear all warm and engaging BUT they are all programmed on KPI's according to darth. They could not give a rats rissole about the human element of the people they are "supposed " to be managing.
I still remember Trish Lee telling our training class:
"HAPPY CREW =HAPPY PASSENGERS."........simple.
The "ding bat" who is my "manager" rings me nearly every time I sneeze , then has the gall to make it sound "genuine"..............oh pleeeze-fark orf!!
As for the other debate raging on this forum-Seniority./Bidding
I have given up.
I am counting down the days to Aug 15 for the VR/CR final date.(200-250 positions)
I have worked out my "pay out figures", contacted Superannuation, seen my Financial advisor, sold as many QF shares as possible and booked my LSL trip for September.
I'm out of here Bucko and it will not be a moment too soon.
Sure , we all bang on about the G.O.D.'s- agree.
But looking into my Woop Crystal Ball-it spells doom and despair.
Its Darth 5...............Unions 1.............Staff 0.
Adieu.