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Sorry about being off topic but persistent rumours from completely unrelated sources continue to suggest that the "viagra driven dwarf" has gone and got his SECOND secretary pregnant...................
From the secretary's perspective I suppose such an act is a sound career choice.
Hell, it'll pay more than the $7.00 an hour that will be the norm under Howard's new world order.
From the secretary's perspective I suppose such an act is a sound career choice.
Hell, it'll pay more than the $7.00 an hour that will be the norm under Howard's new world order.
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The truth be known...i think that some of Longhaul is quietly laying some dark ones in their underwear with the next S/H eba coming up.
They keep going on about us being underpaid on regionals etc... Hmm, do they really care about our paypackets or welfare? Umm, No.
They realise that their poor domestic TAA cousin who flies syd-mel all week is finally having some power in this game and is now part international division and is taking away from longhaul what was traditionally "their" flying.
Well times are a changin' and whereas you have lost quite alot of flying we are just growing. And that is obvious.... no forced leave over here, just the recruitment of hundreds - yes hundreds of casual F/A's and the transfer of HUNDREDS of longhaulers.
I get sick of central crewing calling me on my days off begging me to work. Fact.
As far as the transfer agreement between s/h and l/h goes it has been a huge one way street.
The last s/h class to head over was around jan 2004. Nearly 2 years ago. There has been an absolute pile of longhaulers come over since then.
Why?
Cause we are growing and unfortunatley, you guys in longhaul keep handing out your flying to the Kiwi's....the Thais and now the Poms. Who's next....the Yanks? That mightn't be far from the truth. Stop whinging about your hotel cause you mightnt get overnights there soon.
Oh and Simon Templar, whats the big deal operating a jumbo up to LAX? I can operate an A330 on a 14hr sector (eg. Sin-drw-adl-syd) with only 50 or so less pax and i dont get to lie down for a couple of hours in a bed. 14hr one sector is a ****e load easier than unloading and loading 3times, re-catering and feeding them with very limited rest time.
They keep going on about us being underpaid on regionals etc... Hmm, do they really care about our paypackets or welfare? Umm, No.
They realise that their poor domestic TAA cousin who flies syd-mel all week is finally having some power in this game and is now part international division and is taking away from longhaul what was traditionally "their" flying.
Well times are a changin' and whereas you have lost quite alot of flying we are just growing. And that is obvious.... no forced leave over here, just the recruitment of hundreds - yes hundreds of casual F/A's and the transfer of HUNDREDS of longhaulers.
I get sick of central crewing calling me on my days off begging me to work. Fact.
As far as the transfer agreement between s/h and l/h goes it has been a huge one way street.
The last s/h class to head over was around jan 2004. Nearly 2 years ago. There has been an absolute pile of longhaulers come over since then.
Why?
Cause we are growing and unfortunatley, you guys in longhaul keep handing out your flying to the Kiwi's....the Thais and now the Poms. Who's next....the Yanks? That mightn't be far from the truth. Stop whinging about your hotel cause you mightnt get overnights there soon.
Oh and Simon Templar, whats the big deal operating a jumbo up to LAX? I can operate an A330 on a 14hr sector (eg. Sin-drw-adl-syd) with only 50 or so less pax and i dont get to lie down for a couple of hours in a bed. 14hr one sector is a ****e load easier than unloading and loading 3times, re-catering and feeding them with very limited rest time.
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Before you go on about how easy a Direct LAX is... do one.
If their is any rise in the professionalism in shorthaul its down to the longhaul emmigration.
...and you want power?
Thats basically what it is all about.
The little unsophisticated sibling wanting recognition.
You are prone to exaggeration....hundreds of casuals,hundreds of longhaulers....show me the figures.
The reason you are rung on days off?
Sick Leave
If their is any rise in the professionalism in shorthaul its down to the longhaul emmigration.
...and you want power?
Thats basically what it is all about.
The little unsophisticated sibling wanting recognition.
You are prone to exaggeration....hundreds of casuals,hundreds of longhaulers....show me the figures.
The reason you are rung on days off?
Sick Leave
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Amazing….this S/H against L/H..
The facts are:
S/H did vote to do our flying .Whether some S/H say they did not vote YES,the majority did.
S/H did vote to penalize anyone who transferred to Shorthaul with the bands payment.
S/H have disliked L/H ever since Qantas bought Australian Airlines. And have looked for a way to get back at us since.
Quote “They realise that their poor domestic TAA cousin who flies syd-mel all week is finally having some power in this game and is now part international division and is taking away from longhaul what was traditionally "their" flying.”
I wonder if the girls at Australian or TAA ever gave much thought to the crew from airlines that they took over and gave them integrated seniority…
The majority of Australian crew who went to LHR are S/H ,including their union leader.
The company is using one division against each other but it seems as though most of the undercutting has been done by S/H.
The company does not need any IR reforms to succeed ,they are laughing at the work done by S/H
The facts are:
S/H did vote to do our flying .Whether some S/H say they did not vote YES,the majority did.
S/H did vote to penalize anyone who transferred to Shorthaul with the bands payment.
S/H have disliked L/H ever since Qantas bought Australian Airlines. And have looked for a way to get back at us since.
Quote “They realise that their poor domestic TAA cousin who flies syd-mel all week is finally having some power in this game and is now part international division and is taking away from longhaul what was traditionally "their" flying.”
I wonder if the girls at Australian or TAA ever gave much thought to the crew from airlines that they took over and gave them integrated seniority…
The majority of Australian crew who went to LHR are S/H ,including their union leader.
The company is using one division against each other but it seems as though most of the undercutting has been done by S/H.
The company does not need any IR reforms to succeed ,they are laughing at the work done by S/H
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I think 14 classes of casuals this year would equate to a few F/A's.
You look at numbers of longhaulers who have seen the light and come over - they know that their own division is a has been and there is less and less flying.
Even you guys call it a bid pamplet not package.
And by the way...i have always been Qantas - not Australian and not TAA. And yes, i was around before the merger. I have probably been around longer than alot of you.
You look at numbers of longhaulers who have seen the light and come over - they know that their own division is a has been and there is less and less flying.
Even you guys call it a bid pamplet not package.
And by the way...i have always been Qantas - not Australian and not TAA. And yes, i was around before the merger. I have probably been around longer than alot of you.
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its all interesting reading guys but,per is mentioned alot here.. new ful time crew are payed for 140 hrs//they are only doing 85-90 with the reginals......for months casuals have been lured to per for a months "working holiday". given the fact that geoff and mark are not a charity what does anyone think may happen? cheers gigs
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Sydney S/H …
You are obviously still in a state of denial..
Another lot of rhetoric about L/H but you never deny any of the claims
There was no merger ,it is a fictional concept which appeals to S/H crew.
Qantas paid $400 million for Australian airlines..that is a takeover ,not a merger.
It would have been a lot better for the Government to sell Australian airlines to Ansett and Qantas could have better spent the $400 million on S/H aircraft and done the job flying domestically ourselves.
“Transfers "were" a 2 way street if you look more closely at the numbers they have very much been one way street from long haul to short haul.”
Longhaul crew never attempted to set a lower wage band for S/H crew who transferred to L/H as did the S/H faaa and crew
As I mentioned before the crew at TAA and Australian would not have allowed integrated seniority for the regional airlines they took over, however we did
The company has recognised this animosity from S/H towards L/H and are making the most of it
You are obviously still in a state of denial..
Another lot of rhetoric about L/H but you never deny any of the claims
There was no merger ,it is a fictional concept which appeals to S/H crew.
Qantas paid $400 million for Australian airlines..that is a takeover ,not a merger.
It would have been a lot better for the Government to sell Australian airlines to Ansett and Qantas could have better spent the $400 million on S/H aircraft and done the job flying domestically ourselves.
“Transfers "were" a 2 way street if you look more closely at the numbers they have very much been one way street from long haul to short haul.”
Longhaul crew never attempted to set a lower wage band for S/H crew who transferred to L/H as did the S/H faaa and crew
As I mentioned before the crew at TAA and Australian would not have allowed integrated seniority for the regional airlines they took over, however we did
The company has recognised this animosity from S/H towards L/H and are making the most of it
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Lowerlobe,
Im not sure where you are going with this whole Australian merger thing.
I dont care about Australian or TAA. I have only ever worked for Qantas - eg. When i started with this airline i was employed by QF.
It was years before the merger happened.
I am well aware that we paid $400 mil for the airline and i am also well aware that it was more of a take over than a merger. Thanks for the education on the Qantas-Australian merger. It's old news...infact over a decade ago....move on.
Im not sure where you are going with this whole Australian merger thing.
I dont care about Australian or TAA. I have only ever worked for Qantas - eg. When i started with this airline i was employed by QF.
It was years before the merger happened.
I am well aware that we paid $400 mil for the airline and i am also well aware that it was more of a take over than a merger. Thanks for the education on the Qantas-Australian merger. It's old news...infact over a decade ago....move on.
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My point is that the obsession that you obviously have (as with most of short haul) is that there was a merger. You mention the word merger 4 times in your last post even though you acknowledge that QF paid $400 million for Australian airlines.
There was never a merger or any sort of merger but a lot of ex-Australian airlines people have had a chip on their shoulder ever since the take over and are now relishing the opportunity to pay back Long Haul for what they perceive as a type of injustice. Read my previous posts about the actions of S/H crew.
I don’t care if why you jumped ship but you obviously have an attitude towards L/H, so I suggest you stick to your job and leave us to ours. You seem to have some sort of identity crisis, you refer to your self as Sydney S/H but then say you are well aware that WE paid $400 million for the airline……If you are going to post here and criticize L/H then have the honesty to tell us where you worked before the takeover
There was never a merger or any sort of merger but a lot of ex-Australian airlines people have had a chip on their shoulder ever since the take over and are now relishing the opportunity to pay back Long Haul for what they perceive as a type of injustice. Read my previous posts about the actions of S/H crew.
I don’t care if why you jumped ship but you obviously have an attitude towards L/H, so I suggest you stick to your job and leave us to ours. You seem to have some sort of identity crisis, you refer to your self as Sydney S/H but then say you are well aware that WE paid $400 million for the airline……If you are going to post here and criticize L/H then have the honesty to tell us where you worked before the takeover
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can someone clarify something for me? Any new flight attendants that work for qf, do they get bands in s/h?
i cant remember? I think that they dont get them....so if thats the case, its not only long haulers who are being penalised, its also any new crew...
and ps- u lot that keep arguing with one another need to get a life, this is an issues thread, not a bloody slagging each other off thread.
be thankful you have a job guys, i know its been said before, but be bloody thankful
thank god that the whingers are only a minority at work, otherwise i would leave, cause i seriously can not stand you lot who feel that the company owes them. You are there to work and u get paid for it, you are not being held there by ransom, leave if u hate it so so much!!!! But unforunately u would never leave, cause the thought of a normal 9-5pm job scares u, and some of you would be unemployable anyways.........
you are not the only ones in that situation, there are thousands of us at qantas, yet some of us decide to shut up, do our job with pride, and leave all the bull**** alone
may i sugguest u do the same, look at other industries its the same everywhere!!!!! poor me poor me, oh seriously go do some regional flying, then talk to me........
i cant remember? I think that they dont get them....so if thats the case, its not only long haulers who are being penalised, its also any new crew...
and ps- u lot that keep arguing with one another need to get a life, this is an issues thread, not a bloody slagging each other off thread.
be thankful you have a job guys, i know its been said before, but be bloody thankful
thank god that the whingers are only a minority at work, otherwise i would leave, cause i seriously can not stand you lot who feel that the company owes them. You are there to work and u get paid for it, you are not being held there by ransom, leave if u hate it so so much!!!! But unforunately u would never leave, cause the thought of a normal 9-5pm job scares u, and some of you would be unemployable anyways.........
you are not the only ones in that situation, there are thousands of us at qantas, yet some of us decide to shut up, do our job with pride, and leave all the bull**** alone
may i sugguest u do the same, look at other industries its the same everywhere!!!!! poor me poor me, oh seriously go do some regional flying, then talk to me........
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You go Gomam!
Am I the only one who suspects that Simon Templar and labia vortex are one and the same person?
I wouldn't be a bit surprised.
Butterfield8's private message in response to my post. Does this sound like a stable, well adjusted individual?
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Hello
You are dimmer,dumber than your user name.
You and your shorthaul stupidity.
You don't even know when you are being screwed.
I feel sorry for your boy/girl friend.
Am I the only one who suspects that Simon Templar and labia vortex are one and the same person?
I wouldn't be a bit surprised.
Butterfield8's private message in response to my post. Does this sound like a stable, well adjusted individual?
6th November 2005 16:42
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Hello
You are dimmer,dumber than your user name.
You and your shorthaul stupidity.
You don't even know when you are being screwed.
I feel sorry for your boy/girl friend.
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Issues:
There are different pay scales for the same job that faaa S/H and crew agreed to
S/H have done a number of things that directly affect L/H
S/H EBA is up again and my points are valid,it is not an issue of bagging anyone,just facts or issues that affect others.
What part of management do you work for gomam
No one from S/H has denied what S/H has done.
There are different pay scales for the same job that faaa S/H and crew agreed to
S/H have done a number of things that directly affect L/H
S/H EBA is up again and my points are valid,it is not an issue of bagging anyone,just facts or issues that affect others.
What part of management do you work for gomam
No one from S/H has denied what S/H has done.
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New full time crew do get bands but on a reduced rate. Can't remember exact figures as don't have EBA to hand but its something like if you work on a Sunday on the old contract you get 25% etc but new contract get 12 or 13% extra.
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as i said before
qf and faaalh supported the idea of per lh csm's trnasfer as csm to per sh. this was knocked back by the faaa sh. per based csm's have a great opportunity to start legal procedings against the sh faaa union. in the past the agrement was put down to domestic and international job differences. this no longer applies. the discrimination board and any court will agree with that. this is why even qf (and faaa lh) supports that move. dont be shy. a pity i dont fly out of per.
and lets face it the sooner everyone gets the idea that we will operate in the near future on one set of awards the easier the trasformation. short and lnghaul flying will be seperated by casa rguidelines of 3 aircraft types with one variant. this will also give qf more flexibility with seasonal demands.
and lets face it the sooner everyone gets the idea that we will operate in the near future on one set of awards the easier the trasformation. short and lnghaul flying will be seperated by casa rguidelines of 3 aircraft types with one variant. this will also give qf more flexibility with seasonal demands.
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Interesting, I wonder how long haul crew would like short haul CSM's transferring over to long haul. Bring on the legal action just be prepared to accept short haul CSM's operating those "jumbo's" I know plenty of short haul CSM's more than happy to transfer over.
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Pursers to longhaul
Like putting a neanderthal in charge of a BOAC Comet.
Contrary to popular opinion in shorthaul the CSM roles are not the same.
A shorthaul purser would take at least two years to come up to speed with aircraft passengers and crew.
Why do you think most longhaul FAs are promoted to purser wthin in 6 months of transferring.
Because the role is a doddle.
Which airline did you guys take over and treat the crew with contempt?
Eastern wasn't it?
You guys have short convenient memories.
Contrary to popular opinion in shorthaul the CSM roles are not the same.
A shorthaul purser would take at least two years to come up to speed with aircraft passengers and crew.
Why do you think most longhaul FAs are promoted to purser wthin in 6 months of transferring.
Because the role is a doddle.
Which airline did you guys take over and treat the crew with contempt?
Eastern wasn't it?
You guys have short convenient memories.