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QF and any business for that matter will be free to sack staff without recourse for unfair dismissmal providing it has done so for "operational reasons".
Operational reasons can mean structural, organisational and economic etc.
Therefore, QF may [under this new legislation] replace existing employees with cheaper re-hires for no other reason that it decides it's already record profits aren't enough.............
Operational reasons can mean structural, organisational and economic etc.
Therefore, QF may [under this new legislation] replace existing employees with cheaper re-hires for no other reason that it decides it's already record profits aren't enough.............
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they may be able to "reorganise" our pay and conditions but boy will they suffer, "pay peanuts get monkeys"
The morale and motivation is bad enough now, can you imagine what it will be like after their "re-organisation".
Dont tell me the sociopath has been promoted!!!!!!!!!
The morale and motivation is bad enough now, can you imagine what it will be like after their "re-organisation".
Dont tell me the sociopath has been promoted!!!!!!!!!
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well guys has IJ ben promoted or not!
Oh well as the saying goes, "the higher they get the harder they fall"
He will come undone! but faarrrrrrk the damage that phsycho will be able to do in the meantime!!!
What has he been promoted to? anyone know?
Oh well as the saying goes, "the higher they get the harder they fall"
He will come undone! but faarrrrrrk the damage that phsycho will be able to do in the meantime!!!
What has he been promoted to? anyone know?
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The ACTU has been running a very successful advertising campaign that has forced the government to spend around $50 million dollars in counter advertising.
Since the new IR reforms are very topical why don’t we (the FAAA) start our own advertising campaign with the JFK issue in mind with something like.
“We are being blackmailed to accept longer hours and a drop in conditions or we will be replaced by foreign workers (AKL based crew).
Who is next…doctors.... nurses…. supermarket staff…. clerical staff…. factory workers…. the list goes on. Corporations will do anything with the new IR reforms to raise profits and bonus’s for boards at the expense of Australian workers”
If someone in Qantas is interviewed and they say yes they will replace us if we don’t vote yes to an increase in hours then it will ring alarm bells with the population .If Qantas realizes the implications of telling the truth in the interview and say No they will not replace us then we have them over a barrel. At the very least it brings the issue of what is happening to the public and the papers at the moment are running with the IR story so it will be in the news for sure.
If we make it apparent that we are not the only ones to be at risk, especially with the new laws being introduced then the rest of the community will start asking questions as well.
I don’t believe that the public is apathetic, the latest ad campaigns by the government is proof of that.
it's great to discuss this in here but that will not get anything done..ring the faaa and tell them we want something done instead of a protest day that will achieve little
Since the new IR reforms are very topical why don’t we (the FAAA) start our own advertising campaign with the JFK issue in mind with something like.
“We are being blackmailed to accept longer hours and a drop in conditions or we will be replaced by foreign workers (AKL based crew).
Who is next…doctors.... nurses…. supermarket staff…. clerical staff…. factory workers…. the list goes on. Corporations will do anything with the new IR reforms to raise profits and bonus’s for boards at the expense of Australian workers”
If someone in Qantas is interviewed and they say yes they will replace us if we don’t vote yes to an increase in hours then it will ring alarm bells with the population .If Qantas realizes the implications of telling the truth in the interview and say No they will not replace us then we have them over a barrel. At the very least it brings the issue of what is happening to the public and the papers at the moment are running with the IR story so it will be in the news for sure.
If we make it apparent that we are not the only ones to be at risk, especially with the new laws being introduced then the rest of the community will start asking questions as well.
I don’t believe that the public is apathetic, the latest ad campaigns by the government is proof of that.
it's great to discuss this in here but that will not get anything done..ring the faaa and tell them we want something done instead of a protest day that will achieve little
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ANOTHER BETRAYAL BY THE SHORT HAUL FAAA?
Well placed sources indicate that the S/H FAAA who are in negotiations over their EBA have agreed to remove any restriction on regional flying and have given the nod for S/H crew to fly outside of the current 4 hour zone east and west of Sydney.
All short haul crew should immediately contact Darryl Watkins and demand that this should not go ahead. Short haul crew are not in S/H to fly long haul routes , nor should we be used to undermine our cousins in L/H.
Maybe this explains why DW won't be party to the joint Qantas unions/ACTU newsletter attacking the industrial changes. He's too cosy in bed with QF and doesn't want to upset them.
All short haul crew should immediately contact Darryl Watkins and demand that this should not go ahead. Short haul crew are not in S/H to fly long haul routes , nor should we be used to undermine our cousins in L/H.
Maybe this explains why DW won't be party to the joint Qantas unions/ACTU newsletter attacking the industrial changes. He's too cosy in bed with QF and doesn't want to upset them.
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NATIONAL DAY OF COMMUNITY PROTEST
MEETING POINT FOR FAAA MEMBERS
Further to the newsletter issued on 7 November 2005, I wish to advise members that cabin crew attending the ACTU Rally on Tuesday 15 November should initially meet at St Andrews Square which is next to Town Hall (Bathurst St side of Town Hall) at 8.30 am sharp.
We will then proceed as a group to the Rally at Martin Place, which is due to commence at 9 am.
The implications of the sweeping industrial law changes are far reaching and we are still awaiting an analysis of the legislation. However, the proposed changes which have passed the House of Representatives yesterday are highly detrimental to our working conditions.
The FAAA strongly urges EVERY cabin crew member off duty on 15 November in Sydney to attend the Rally.
We believe our membership does care about its working conditions, job tenure and security. We hope a strong attendance at the Rally will vindicate our view that our members are prepared to fight for their conditions, rather than sitting on the sideline criticising and expecting magic to be performed on their behalf by others.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.
MEETING POINT FOR FAAA MEMBERS
Further to the newsletter issued on 7 November 2005, I wish to advise members that cabin crew attending the ACTU Rally on Tuesday 15 November should initially meet at St Andrews Square which is next to Town Hall (Bathurst St side of Town Hall) at 8.30 am sharp.
We will then proceed as a group to the Rally at Martin Place, which is due to commence at 9 am.
The implications of the sweeping industrial law changes are far reaching and we are still awaiting an analysis of the legislation. However, the proposed changes which have passed the House of Representatives yesterday are highly detrimental to our working conditions.
The FAAA strongly urges EVERY cabin crew member off duty on 15 November in Sydney to attend the Rally.
We believe our membership does care about its working conditions, job tenure and security. We hope a strong attendance at the Rally will vindicate our view that our members are prepared to fight for their conditions, rather than sitting on the sideline criticising and expecting magic to be performed on their behalf by others.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.
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i just hope that the s/haul membership speaks up this time and tells its Union exactly how it feels.
All of the ones I have spoken to state that this is not what they want. I hope they don't get scared this time.
Looks like we no longer have to put our names down on the transfer list, we will be doing a mixture of short and long haul trips, but at our pay rates! and short haul wil be doing longer and longer trips on their pay scale.
In a way its a forced pay cut for them! do longer trips without the money that long haul get!
oh well! lets see how DW is going to screw them, and if they dont say or do anything then they cant whinge about it.
All of the ones I have spoken to state that this is not what they want. I hope they don't get scared this time.
Looks like we no longer have to put our names down on the transfer list, we will be doing a mixture of short and long haul trips, but at our pay rates! and short haul wil be doing longer and longer trips on their pay scale.
In a way its a forced pay cut for them! do longer trips without the money that long haul get!
oh well! lets see how DW is going to screw them, and if they dont say or do anything then they cant whinge about it.
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Everything Short
Why is it that everything "short" is dysfunctional?
VDD -short and dysfunctional
Borghetti-short dysfunctional
Napoleon-short dysfunctional
Domestic-short(haul)dysfunctional
All of these things/people have self esteem difficulties that drive them to gain recognition.
Unfortunately it is the wrong form of recognition.
They are ultimately reviled
VDD -short and dysfunctional
Borghetti-short dysfunctional
Napoleon-short dysfunctional
Domestic-short(haul)dysfunctional
All of these things/people have self esteem difficulties that drive them to gain recognition.
Unfortunately it is the wrong form of recognition.
They are ultimately reviled
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LHR Base
Word is that our LHR based colleagues (sic! ) have the highest customer survey results than any other base AND they are the most profitable AND they have a 7% attrition rate................this is the latest spin ( read crap ) from our low life Visitor info sessions.
How is it that every time i've got on a QF aircraft after these people that : Galleys are a s---t fight, pax are p---ed off, nil orders done, OHCRF a total shambles, crap written on the galley hand over sheets AND why is they are the ones we see "off their dials late at night in the lobbies of our Hotel in HKG, SIN and BKK.
Yeah a great role model base !!!!!%$$##@#$%$%%$##$.
These people are having themselves on............probably due to the SHORT HAUL factor ,.....mmmmmmmmmmmm
How is it that every time i've got on a QF aircraft after these people that : Galleys are a s---t fight, pax are p---ed off, nil orders done, OHCRF a total shambles, crap written on the galley hand over sheets AND why is they are the ones we see "off their dials late at night in the lobbies of our Hotel in HKG, SIN and BKK.
Yeah a great role model base !!!!!%$$##@#$%$%%$##$.
These people are having themselves on............probably due to the SHORT HAUL factor ,.....mmmmmmmmmmmm
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I think that we have all got the message now - Some of you don't approve of shorthaul.
This doesn't give you the right to relentlessly and continually post hateful comments about others: To do so is immature and tedious (Simon Templar & speedbirdhouse this would include both of you)
From now on, if any post on this thread serves no purpose other than to attack or threaten or abuse other people, or is simply hateful it will be deleted and the user posting will get a 48hr threadban to cool his/her heels
This doesn't give you the right to relentlessly and continually post hateful comments about others: To do so is immature and tedious (Simon Templar & speedbirdhouse this would include both of you)
From now on, if any post on this thread serves no purpose other than to attack or threaten or abuse other people, or is simply hateful it will be deleted and the user posting will get a 48hr threadban to cool his/her heels
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While I am possibly over the top with some of my comments in this forum please understand that these comments are born out of frustration.
Like everybody else I make financial decisions based on my present and anticipated income.It provides stability and allows me to plan and consrtuct a future for my family
Anything/one that undermines that will raise my ire
We as crew have never had proper industrial relations representation because we represent ourselves.
It has long been my contention that we must employ professional PR and IR personnel.These people working in tandem with and advising a Union executive.
We have NEVER won anything in negotiations with our employer.
Why?
They employ professionals who live and breathe this stuff.
Throw self interest into the mix and we are disadvantaged even further
Our employer is united...we are not.
The pilots just got "done over" for the same reasons.
It is enormously frustrating when it is clear what is being done and the chattering class procrastinate and contribute little to an issue important to everyone.
These forums allow me(with moderators indulgence)to vent this frustration.
I love my job and do it well.....pax and crew feedback verify this.
I will never compromise the standard of service I deliver because I have issues with my employer and the fascist ay hole that masquerades as the prime minister of this country
So "TIGHSLOT" thank you for your patience and understanding.
Thank you for tolerating the resentment that I have toward those who would seek to reduce my wages,my conditions and reduce the standard of living for my family that I work bloody hard to maintain .
Like everybody else I make financial decisions based on my present and anticipated income.It provides stability and allows me to plan and consrtuct a future for my family
Anything/one that undermines that will raise my ire
We as crew have never had proper industrial relations representation because we represent ourselves.
It has long been my contention that we must employ professional PR and IR personnel.These people working in tandem with and advising a Union executive.
We have NEVER won anything in negotiations with our employer.
Why?
They employ professionals who live and breathe this stuff.
Throw self interest into the mix and we are disadvantaged even further
Our employer is united...we are not.
The pilots just got "done over" for the same reasons.
It is enormously frustrating when it is clear what is being done and the chattering class procrastinate and contribute little to an issue important to everyone.
These forums allow me(with moderators indulgence)to vent this frustration.
I love my job and do it well.....pax and crew feedback verify this.
I will never compromise the standard of service I deliver because I have issues with my employer and the fascist ay hole that masquerades as the prime minister of this country
So "TIGHSLOT" thank you for your patience and understanding.
Thank you for tolerating the resentment that I have toward those who would seek to reduce my wages,my conditions and reduce the standard of living for my family that I work bloody hard to maintain .
Last edited by Simon Templar; 12th Nov 2005 at 00:39.