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Shorthaul it would appear have no:
Credibility
Morality
Integrity
Principles
Ability
Shame
Memory
No wonder Dixon targetted shorthaul to get what he wanted.
You have an enormous amount of vanity
It has always saddened me that the better domestic airline went under.
Ansett staff were such wonderful people.
Credibility
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Memory
No wonder Dixon targetted shorthaul to get what he wanted.
You have an enormous amount of vanity
It has always saddened me that the better domestic airline went under.
Ansett staff were such wonderful people.
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Australian airlines(TAA) offered no integrated seniority to any airlines they took over but screamed blue murder when they were taken over....
Simon your right, Ansett staff were great maybe we should have bought Ansett instead
A change of topic I think as we all know what has happened and where various loyalties lie.
What does everyone think of the new staff travel surcharges?
Simon your right, Ansett staff were great maybe we should have bought Ansett instead
A change of topic I think as we all know what has happened and where various loyalties lie.
What does everyone think of the new staff travel surcharges?
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Ohhh Mr templar,
you have little or no idea.
Sydney s/h is made up of HUNDREDS of ex-l/ crew - loads of which have transfered in the past 12mths.
Shockingly the shorthaul base is made up with a ****e load of ex-Ansett f/a's (casuals).
So....the terrible people with all those poor qualities are your ex-work mates and also the employees of the former airline which you give such credit for.
tool.
you have little or no idea.
Sydney s/h is made up of HUNDREDS of ex-l/ crew - loads of which have transfered in the past 12mths.
Shockingly the shorthaul base is made up with a ****e load of ex-Ansett f/a's (casuals).
So....the terrible people with all those poor qualities are your ex-work mates and also the employees of the former airline which you give such credit for.
tool.
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Two months away from this revolving door argument and I return to find the same 7-8 clowns arguing amongst themselves. Oh, minus Jettlager ofcourse. He got kicked off, just like he did when he was Left2Primary.
Anyways, whilst you clowns argue amongst yourselves, I read the press and follow the industry very closely. I also talk to other QF crew in the course of my travels. And it is clear to me you are the extremist minority. I can't help but feel your workmates see your extreme ideology based views for what they are. Views that are displayed on the various postings here.
QF L/H crew are being steamrolled by Qantas because of the instransigence of a very small minority. QF are fighting the battle against you handful that are from the Old Guard, who won't change and are clearly quite prepared to bring all their workmates down with them during a fight to the death of your employment.
Anyways, whilst you clowns argue amongst yourselves, I read the press and follow the industry very closely. I also talk to other QF crew in the course of my travels. And it is clear to me you are the extremist minority. I can't help but feel your workmates see your extreme ideology based views for what they are. Views that are displayed on the various postings here.
QF L/H crew are being steamrolled by Qantas because of the instransigence of a very small minority. QF are fighting the battle against you handful that are from the Old Guard, who won't change and are clearly quite prepared to bring all their workmates down with them during a fight to the death of your employment.
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According to the "Hewitt group" survey there is only ONE "small group" at longhaul.
It was the "engaged" group.
22% was the figure I believe.
If and when QF decide to conduct another survey they will no doubt find that the engaged group has fallen further as a percentage of the whole.
Understandable given the abuse dished out by the QF QCC1 brownshirts.
How is life at virgen blew JBM?
You must be thrilled with the prospect of little johnny's anti employee IR laws.
You'll be able to do an EVEN FAIRER days work for an EVEN FAIRER days pay.......
It was the "engaged" group.
22% was the figure I believe.
If and when QF decide to conduct another survey they will no doubt find that the engaged group has fallen further as a percentage of the whole.
Understandable given the abuse dished out by the QF QCC1 brownshirts.
How is life at virgen blew JBM?
You must be thrilled with the prospect of little johnny's anti employee IR laws.
You'll be able to do an EVEN FAIRER days work for an EVEN FAIRER days pay.......
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JBM..The Prodigal Returns
The King Of rhetoric returns
The little fascist from "an airline" returns to bless us with uninformed/misinformed opinions that are gleaned from the people on "his travels"
No facts no figures just mindless speculation derived from anonymous sources
Supply some verifiable facts.
You don't even work for QF...so what concern is it of yours?
You believe everything you read (propaganda)in the press.
You "follow" the industry closely.
You ARE a follower NOT a leader.
Thats one thing that is indisputable
The little fascist from "an airline" returns to bless us with uninformed/misinformed opinions that are gleaned from the people on "his travels"
No facts no figures just mindless speculation derived from anonymous sources
Supply some verifiable facts.
You don't even work for QF...so what concern is it of yours?
You believe everything you read (propaganda)in the press.
You "follow" the industry closely.
You ARE a follower NOT a leader.
Thats one thing that is indisputable
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ahhhh JBM you're back!
run out of face paint have we!
is it true that under your proposed new conditions you will have to supply that at your own cost!
come on, fill me in......................
run out of face paint have we!
is it true that under your proposed new conditions you will have to supply that at your own cost!
come on, fill me in......................
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Ahhh JBM your back and I see that you have bought a thesaurus as well; it’s good to see you are trying to improve yourself. However, I think the word you were thinking for is intransigent not “instransigence” and you spelt that incorrectly as well.
Perhaps a dictionary would be good or even easier just use spell checker and thesaurus before you post.
But I digress, how are things over at VB? Are there many nervous crews with the hostile takeover bid by TOLL or the stalling tactics of your boss? You have been gone for such a long time I thought you might have been stocking shelves at Woolworths to make ends meet and been too tired to post.
As far as your comments go regarding the intransigence of us old timers, it never ceases to amaze me how many of you generation ‘Y” people that are willing to take massive cuts in pay and conditions just to get a job and appease company’s like yours.
I imagine you are ecstatic about JH’s new IR reforms!!!
Pay people less , make it easier to sack workers and all of this while corporations are increasing their bonus’s….Yep,that’s a recipe for a better world….
Are your initials GD by any chance.!!!!!!
If no one applied for jobs at VB or J* and were willing to undermine other workers then these airlines would not get a foothold and we would have employment on a fair basis .If you are going to use the tired argument of lower airfares, try checking in with a family or having a reasonable amount of luggage and having to pay excess charges. The cheap fares disappear into thin air and you might as well pay the old fare.
Perhaps a dictionary would be good or even easier just use spell checker and thesaurus before you post.
But I digress, how are things over at VB? Are there many nervous crews with the hostile takeover bid by TOLL or the stalling tactics of your boss? You have been gone for such a long time I thought you might have been stocking shelves at Woolworths to make ends meet and been too tired to post.
As far as your comments go regarding the intransigence of us old timers, it never ceases to amaze me how many of you generation ‘Y” people that are willing to take massive cuts in pay and conditions just to get a job and appease company’s like yours.
I imagine you are ecstatic about JH’s new IR reforms!!!
Pay people less , make it easier to sack workers and all of this while corporations are increasing their bonus’s….Yep,that’s a recipe for a better world….
Are your initials GD by any chance.!!!!!!
If no one applied for jobs at VB or J* and were willing to undermine other workers then these airlines would not get a foothold and we would have employment on a fair basis .If you are going to use the tired argument of lower airfares, try checking in with a family or having a reasonable amount of luggage and having to pay excess charges. The cheap fares disappear into thin air and you might as well pay the old fare.
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its on the cards. if sh csm's come to lh thats ok by me. as with the lhr base it doesn't matter anymore who stuffs up when and how as long, the qf spin department will cover up
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If S/H CSM's (pursers) do transfer to L/H,they will have to do a lot more work than just help out with a few trays in J/C and make a few PA's
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Hi everyone,
Does anyone out there think that when Howard and his mates pass their so called "work choices" bill that it will lead to "higher wages" as they claim? The only higher wages that will be achieved will be when one choses to work for a pittance rather than be on the dole.
Is there anyone out there who seriously thinks that Qantas, or any other corporation for that matter will show any form of restraint when the bill is passed. I think not. Dixon will wantonly slash everyone's wages and conditions (except his own) to the point that we are all living on the poverty line. Dixon has repeatedly shown and publically stated his disdain for all Qantas staff and will, I think, be only too happy to sack us all and hire us back on a fraction of what our pay was. How does $30 000 p.a sound on a roster of 240 hours sound? No overtime, nothing. No bid system either. Its all going to go. I'm terribly sorry about the PER base, but we all now have far bigger problems to worry about.
Fasten your seat belts boys and girls, we're in for a bumpy ride.
Does anyone out there think that when Howard and his mates pass their so called "work choices" bill that it will lead to "higher wages" as they claim? The only higher wages that will be achieved will be when one choses to work for a pittance rather than be on the dole.
Is there anyone out there who seriously thinks that Qantas, or any other corporation for that matter will show any form of restraint when the bill is passed. I think not. Dixon will wantonly slash everyone's wages and conditions (except his own) to the point that we are all living on the poverty line. Dixon has repeatedly shown and publically stated his disdain for all Qantas staff and will, I think, be only too happy to sack us all and hire us back on a fraction of what our pay was. How does $30 000 p.a sound on a roster of 240 hours sound? No overtime, nothing. No bid system either. Its all going to go. I'm terribly sorry about the PER base, but we all now have far bigger problems to worry about.
Fasten your seat belts boys and girls, we're in for a bumpy ride.
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must agree
sh csm and some crew do get a rather nasty reputation from some ports. just been to nz again and once they realised this crew was lh there was a different attitude by the groundstaff. i dont know what sh csm and crews do to them but they do leave a rather bad impression.
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Must we hear it again? Thanks for the varied comparisons, however please don't drink and type.
It would be like putting a neanderthal in charge of a Phantom.
Like putting a neanderthal in charge of a BOAC Comet.
God this red is good...Wynns Coonawarra Estate Cab/Sav/Merlot...absolutely delicious
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Get off your asses.................
Wage earners of Australia.
Get off your asses and demonstrate to the howard government that you WILL NOT work for the equivalent of a bowl of rice............just so that those at the top can continue to line their pockets.............
The Following is a cut and paste from todays FAAA mail out.
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TIME TO BE COUNTED!
NATIONAL DAY OF COMMUNITY PROTEST
The Howard Government on 2 November announced its sweeping Industrial Relations changes, the so-called WorkChoices legislation.
This ideological piece of legislation will undo and reverse the working conditions and job security of Australian employees that took a century of effort and struggle to achieve. The Federal Government has NO mandate to proceed with these changes. It at no time detailed its intentions to voters at last year’s Federal Election.
In the most despicable and deceitful manner the Howard Government masquerades as the “workers” friend whilst at the same time ripping into the employees of this country, with this unprecedented authoritarian legislation that will reduce many employees to almost a “serf” like status and introduce a master / servant type relationship that existed in medieval England.
The “pillaging” of tax payers money to fund the misleading propaganda onslaught in the media is appalling and unprecedented in this country’s history.
Above all, the “WorkChoices” legislation strikes at the foundation of our values as a society. The notions of fairness, decency and balance are going to be trampled and destroyed by an out of control Federal Government.
The hypocrisy of PM Howard and his party knows no bounds. They tell the public that they believe in “de-regulation”, they tell the public that they stand for “states rights” and that they don’t believe in “centralism”. However, in their indecent haste to destroy the rights and working conditions of employees, they are going to “take over” the state industrial relations systems and they use the corporations power of the constitution to regulate employees and destroy any semblance of balance between the rights of employers and employees.
It is incredible that John Howard and his ministers can actually pretend that their industrial “reforms” are going to be good for this country. The inevitable outcome of these “reforms” will be the creation of a society like the US with vast differences between the well off and an underclass of working poor.
We as cabin crew have much to lose from these changes. Have no doubt that once employers have the legal ability to reduce our conditions …… there will be an irresistible urge to attempt to do it.
It’s time that we all take a stand. Disinterest, lethargy, disengagement and apathy must be shaken off by cabin crew. There is no point sitting back and thinking all will be well or that others, or the “FAAA” etc will save you from all of this.
Our members must get involved and say enough is enough! We are human beings in a so-called democratic society. We deserve respect, proper treatment and fair employment conditions. We don’t live in an authoritarian country where we have no rights at work and where each working day we have to live in fear of being dismissed or harassed by our employer OR DO WE?
The FAAA calls upon EVERY member who is not working on 15 November 2005, to attend the ACTU Rally in your city. Details are as follows:
SYDNEY: 9AM MARTIN PLACE
MELBOURNE: 9AM FEDERATION SQUARE, CNR FLINDERS AND SWANSTON
BRISBANE: 9AM SOUTH BANK CULTURAL FORECOURT
PERTH: 12 NOON THE ESPLANADE
ADELAIDE: 8AM ELDER PARK KING WILLIAM ST
HOBART: 8.30AM PRINCES WHARF, SHED No. 1
Please note that regional meetings will be also held throughout the country and further details can be obtained from the ACTU website at www.rightsatwork.com.au/campaigns/november15
Get off your asses and demonstrate to the howard government that you WILL NOT work for the equivalent of a bowl of rice............just so that those at the top can continue to line their pockets.............
The Following is a cut and paste from todays FAAA mail out.
----------------
TIME TO BE COUNTED!
NATIONAL DAY OF COMMUNITY PROTEST
The Howard Government on 2 November announced its sweeping Industrial Relations changes, the so-called WorkChoices legislation.
This ideological piece of legislation will undo and reverse the working conditions and job security of Australian employees that took a century of effort and struggle to achieve. The Federal Government has NO mandate to proceed with these changes. It at no time detailed its intentions to voters at last year’s Federal Election.
In the most despicable and deceitful manner the Howard Government masquerades as the “workers” friend whilst at the same time ripping into the employees of this country, with this unprecedented authoritarian legislation that will reduce many employees to almost a “serf” like status and introduce a master / servant type relationship that existed in medieval England.
The “pillaging” of tax payers money to fund the misleading propaganda onslaught in the media is appalling and unprecedented in this country’s history.
Above all, the “WorkChoices” legislation strikes at the foundation of our values as a society. The notions of fairness, decency and balance are going to be trampled and destroyed by an out of control Federal Government.
The hypocrisy of PM Howard and his party knows no bounds. They tell the public that they believe in “de-regulation”, they tell the public that they stand for “states rights” and that they don’t believe in “centralism”. However, in their indecent haste to destroy the rights and working conditions of employees, they are going to “take over” the state industrial relations systems and they use the corporations power of the constitution to regulate employees and destroy any semblance of balance between the rights of employers and employees.
It is incredible that John Howard and his ministers can actually pretend that their industrial “reforms” are going to be good for this country. The inevitable outcome of these “reforms” will be the creation of a society like the US with vast differences between the well off and an underclass of working poor.
We as cabin crew have much to lose from these changes. Have no doubt that once employers have the legal ability to reduce our conditions …… there will be an irresistible urge to attempt to do it.
It’s time that we all take a stand. Disinterest, lethargy, disengagement and apathy must be shaken off by cabin crew. There is no point sitting back and thinking all will be well or that others, or the “FAAA” etc will save you from all of this.
Our members must get involved and say enough is enough! We are human beings in a so-called democratic society. We deserve respect, proper treatment and fair employment conditions. We don’t live in an authoritarian country where we have no rights at work and where each working day we have to live in fear of being dismissed or harassed by our employer OR DO WE?
The FAAA calls upon EVERY member who is not working on 15 November 2005, to attend the ACTU Rally in your city. Details are as follows:
SYDNEY: 9AM MARTIN PLACE
MELBOURNE: 9AM FEDERATION SQUARE, CNR FLINDERS AND SWANSTON
BRISBANE: 9AM SOUTH BANK CULTURAL FORECOURT
PERTH: 12 NOON THE ESPLANADE
ADELAIDE: 8AM ELDER PARK KING WILLIAM ST
HOBART: 8.30AM PRINCES WHARF, SHED No. 1
Please note that regional meetings will be also held throughout the country and further details can be obtained from the ACTU website at www.rightsatwork.com.au/campaigns/november15