B.A 3 security alerts ignored ?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: london
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
B.A 3 security alerts ignored ?
Heard a rumour on from a colleague on a recent flight, that she knew a cabincrew member on a B.A flight to the States (possibly SFO) that received 3 written threats in one of the toilets during the flight.
This is supposed to have happened 2 days after the London bombings. The rumour is that the Cabin crew were unhappy about the decision to continue to destination and it was felt that some pressure had been applied. Not sure if is was from B.A or the Capt on the day.
My question is , after the fiasco with the 3 engine trip to Man, is B.A putting too much commercial pressure on their crews?
This could just be galley FM but I would be interested to know if its true.
This is supposed to have happened 2 days after the London bombings. The rumour is that the Cabin crew were unhappy about the decision to continue to destination and it was felt that some pressure had been applied. Not sure if is was from B.A or the Capt on the day.
My question is , after the fiasco with the 3 engine trip to Man, is B.A putting too much commercial pressure on their crews?
This could just be galley FM but I would be interested to know if its true.
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Camp X-Ray
Posts: 2,135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Undoubtedly galley FM. There are very clear procedures for dealing with scenarios such as this, which for obvious reasons I won't detail here. I take everything I hear from our cabin crew with a pinch of salt as you can explain everything to them in clear, monosyllabic terms as many times as you like and they'll still stick to the conclusions they jumped to before they had any facts. The only commercial pressure in these situations is from the cabin crew who've got their eyes on an overtime payment of some sort.
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 361
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hand Solo - well i can see why you named yourself that 
And perhaps all cabin crew should generalise about all pilots should they , and just think that they are all a bunch of self important button pushing womanisers?
Its attitudes like yours that not only stink,but create all the bad feeling that goes around occasionally...
You really don't have a clue do you ? No wonder cabin crew avoid going out with the pilots from time to time - probably because we are alot smarter than your sad little world of contempt and bitterness - been turned down once too often have we ???
And perhaps all cabin crew should generalise about all pilots should they , and just think that they are all a bunch of self important button pushing womanisers?
Its attitudes like yours that not only stink,but create all the bad feeling that goes around occasionally...
You really don't have a clue do you ? No wonder cabin crew avoid going out with the pilots from time to time - probably because we are alot smarter than your sad little world of contempt and bitterness - been turned down once too often have we ???
Ohcirrej
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: This is the internet FFS.........
Posts: 2,921
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
from a colleague on a recent flight, that she knew a cabincrew member
Before people really start getting nasty. Tis just a rumour.
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"...Cabin crew were unhappy about the decision to continue to destination..."
Not their decision. The Capt will assess the sitution, consider FCOs and handle the situation in a way that he decides is fit. The cabin crew will comply with his instructions.
If they need an explanation, he will generously give them one (in accordance with the principles of CRM, assuming he has time). Then, the cabin crew will comply with his instructions.
Not their decision. The Capt will assess the sitution, consider FCOs and handle the situation in a way that he decides is fit. The cabin crew will comply with his instructions.
If they need an explanation, he will generously give them one (in accordance with the principles of CRM, assuming he has time). Then, the cabin crew will comply with his instructions.
Just another number
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: UK
Age: 76
Posts: 1,077
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If the notes were found during the flight then they must have been put there by somebody on board. The procedures for dealing with this situation are laid down in manuals that are available to both flight crew and cabin crew. Like Hand Solo, I'm not going to go into the procedures here, except to say that the captain handled it 'by the book', a fact that the cabin crew member concerned should have been aware of.
Airclues
Airclues
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: British Isles
Posts: 120
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I remember a conversation years back when a young hostess came out with a statement about her recent medical training. She asserted that the company (not BA) were concerned about Captains panicking and diverting automatically if a passenger was sick.
My skipper calmly and politely said "young lady, I am not paid to panic"
You can bet that this incident, if it was one, was dealt with professionally by the Captain and his colleagues. We aren't paid to panic and we are not heroes either, particularly after the other week. There is no commercial pressure whatsoever in this kind of incident in fact its the opposite in BA.
ATB,
ptc
My skipper calmly and politely said "young lady, I am not paid to panic"
You can bet that this incident, if it was one, was dealt with professionally by the Captain and his colleagues. We aren't paid to panic and we are not heroes either, particularly after the other week. There is no commercial pressure whatsoever in this kind of incident in fact its the opposite in BA.
ATB,
ptc
I'm not going to go into the procedures here, except to say that the captain handled it 'by the book',
This is very likely the case, but doubt its somthing anyone can be certain of based on a third hand rumour.
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Middlesesx
Posts: 2,075
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Surely the key issue is that the crew operated by the book in a very professional manner. They appear in this weeks BA news under the banner 'Heros to get greater allowances'
Warning Toxic!
Disgusted of Tunbridge
Disgusted of Tunbridge
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hampshire, UK
Posts: 4,011
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My question is , after the fiasco with the 3 engine trip to Man, is B.A putting too much commercial pressure on their crews?
To answer the question you actually were trying to ask, you have to assess how serious anonymous notes left in lavatories are. I would never give them much credence. Any serious incidents inevitably bring out the practical joke idiots for some period after, as may possibly have happened in London today.
Rainboe (34 years BA pilot)
you have to assess how serious anonymous notes left in lavatories are. I would never give them much credence. Any serious incidents inevitably bring out the practical joke idiots for some period after, as may possibly have happened in London today.
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: on the edge
Posts: 186
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
HZ123 isn't too far off the mark, however, from first hand experience I can say that an oven fire was put out by the CC who then claimed they needed several days off to recover from the trauma 
The decision is ultimately the Flight Crew's however, such incidents are handled in conjuction with the Security Dept. and Ops Teams. Both are well versed in such events.
The decision is ultimately the Flight Crew's however, such incidents are handled in conjuction with the Security Dept. and Ops Teams. Both are well versed in such events.
