Qantas; the thread.
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I certainly feel for you but you should know better than to think Qantas would give a dam. It is disappointing that long serving employees are not given the opportunities to move into permanent position as cabin crew but that is just the nature of the company at present.
I suppose the same could be said about MAM casuals. They are endorsed on all aircraft except 747 and fly everyday representing the airline however they must also attend interviews or even open days if thats what QF wanted them to do to obtain a position within the airline. So you are not alone.
This is not a new thing and dont take it personally although after many years of service and getting a somewhat brief taste of flying it is a bitter pill to take.
HOWEVER, there are options. AirNZ are recruiting for Long Haul crew. Short Haul crew operate those tasman services you are referring to and the possible changes that go along with that. You need to get your application in for Long Haul, wait for your staff travel to kick in (or hop onto a friends at QF) and start commuting. NZ is an easier commute than Perth afterall. I know you dont want to hear it but Jetconnect flying QF long Haul is another option. As you know the salary and conditions are appalling BUT you can start your flying career and see how things pan out and look at what options are available to you in a couple of years. AKL crew are being interviewed for BFirst positions at present so there is another opportnity to progress your career.
Things tend to go in circles but im not holding my breath for permanent recruitment to open up with Qantas in Australia anytime soon, but you never know. So if you have your foot in the door at least you can sort of guarantee yourself an interview should it arise.
Try to stay positive and 37.5 is not old in my initial ground school there were 2 people 50+ so dont sweat the small stuff.
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30 years flying with QF? If so good on you for positing information that directly effects so many crew. After 30 years I would have thought most people would be over all this industrial crap, but yourself and other senior cabin crew that post on this thread prove me wrong. Good on you for being supportive and taking the time, its not only appreciated by me but a lot of valuable information is gained for current crew and wannabe's.
Peanut Pusher also makes a valid contribution so I would be disappointed if you refrained from posting to much.
I certainly feel for you but you should know better than to think Qantas would give a dam. It is disappointing that long serving employees are not given the opportunities to move into permanent position as cabin crew but that is just the nature of the company at present.
I suppose the same could be said about MAM casuals. They are endorsed on all aircraft except 747 and fly everyday representing the airline however they must also attend interviews or even open days if thats what QF wanted them to do to obtain a position within the airline. So you are not alone.
This is not a new thing and dont take it personally although after many years of service and getting a somewhat brief taste of flying it is a bitter pill to take.
HOWEVER, there are options. AirNZ are recruiting for Long Haul crew. Short Haul crew operate those tasman services you are referring to and the possible changes that go along with that. You need to get your application in for Long Haul, wait for your staff travel to kick in (or hop onto a friends at QF) and start commuting. NZ is an easier commute than Perth afterall. I know you dont want to hear it but Jetconnect flying QF long Haul is another option. As you know the salary and conditions are appalling BUT you can start your flying career and see how things pan out and look at what options are available to you in a couple of years. AKL crew are being interviewed for BFirst positions at present so there is another opportnity to progress your career.
Things tend to go in circles but im not holding my breath for permanent recruitment to open up with Qantas in Australia anytime soon, but you never know. So if you have your foot in the door at least you can sort of guarantee yourself an interview should it arise.
Try to stay positive and 37.5 is not old in my initial ground school there were 2 people 50+ so dont sweat the small stuff.
lowerlobe
30 years flying with QF? If so good on you for positing information that directly effects so many crew. After 30 years I would have thought most people would be over all this industrial crap, but yourself and other senior cabin crew that post on this thread prove me wrong. Good on you for being supportive and taking the time, its not only appreciated by me but a lot of valuable information is gained for current crew and wannabe's.
Peanut Pusher also makes a valid contribution so I would be disappointed if you refrained from posting to much.
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With the QF15/QF16 terminating as of 25 March 06 and the QF29/QF30 going up to daily, those nice long slips the LHR base crew has been getting in SIN & HKG will be history, what a lovely base that will be to fly out of then! It will be minimum slips for every pattern. Lets watch the sick leave spiral then!
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this was my second trip where i took over from lhr based crew and i must say the feedback from customers and duty travel staff was on both times similar. p/c very basic service , little idea what they were doing and the same goes for j/c. i thought once was just an exception but it appears there is a pattern of it. i understand some pc punters forwarded emails to gd and jb
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Ask to see the customer satisfaction surveys
qcc2 next time your at work ask to see the customer satisfaction surveys base by base.
I've seen them and then you can say what you want after getting more than two hand overs.
Gee in my time as a csm I reackon I got about 100 complaints a year when based in SYD about everything from product to crew.
Some flights are excellent and some are not just like any base.
Bad adventures
Some long slips will be lost and most will be 48hrs to 56hrs. This was in the briefing pack last year when offered to Aus crew. Keep trying to talk it down but be factual as March 06 will already a year from opening.
I've seen them and then you can say what you want after getting more than two hand overs.
Gee in my time as a csm I reackon I got about 100 complaints a year when based in SYD about everything from product to crew.
Some flights are excellent and some are not just like any base.
Bad adventures
Some long slips will be lost and most will be 48hrs to 56hrs. This was in the briefing pack last year when offered to Aus crew. Keep trying to talk it down but be factual as March 06 will already a year from opening.
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Of course we always believe the briefing pack!
Here's some facts for you straight from scheduling. As from 25 March 2006.
QF1/QF2 slip time 31.20 hours. Min requirement 12 hours.
QF29/QF30 slip time 24 hours. Min requirement 17 hours.
QF31/QF32 slip time 44 hours. Min requirement 17 hours.
Remember we must keep the base on budget!
Enjoy.
Here's some facts for you straight from scheduling. As from 25 March 2006.
QF1/QF2 slip time 31.20 hours. Min requirement 12 hours.
QF29/QF30 slip time 24 hours. Min requirement 17 hours.
QF31/QF32 slip time 44 hours. Min requirement 17 hours.
Remember we must keep the base on budget!
Enjoy.
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What A nasty thing to write !!!!!!!!
I cant believe that your working for the same company !! I am left speachless by your post....
And to put a at the end of your post !!...
Correct me if im wrong but you have had a kick from writing this ?
Do you not believe in teamwork, which ever country your from ? YOU work for the SAME company as your UK colleagues....
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this was my second trip where i took over from lhr based crew and i must say the feedback from customers and duty travel staff was on both times similar. p/c very basic service , little idea what they were doing and the same goes for j/c. i thought once was just an exception but it appears there is a pattern of it. i understand some pc punters forwarded emails to gd and jb
I cant believe that your working for the same company !! I am left speachless by your post....
And to put a
at the end of your post !!...Correct me if im wrong but you have had a kick from writing this ?
Do you not believe in teamwork, which ever country your from ? YOU work for the SAME company as your UK colleagues....
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this was my second trip where i took over from lhr based crew and i must say the feedback from customers and duty travel staff was on both times similar. p/c very basic service , little idea what they were doing and the same goes for j/c. i thought once was just an exception but it appears there is a pattern of it. i understand some pc punters forwarded emails to gd and jb
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Want2fly,
QCC2 has done nothing more than report concerns with the service as communicated by the passengers who recieved it.
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"which ever country your from ? YOU work for the SAME company as your UK colleagues...."
Well actually, he/she doesn't.
He works for QANTAS and you work for some other company based in some other country.
QCC2 has done nothing more than report concerns with the service as communicated by the passengers who recieved it.
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"which ever country your from ? YOU work for the SAME company as your UK colleagues...."
Well actually, he/she doesn't.
He works for QANTAS and you work for some other company based in some other country.
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keep it real
just mentioned a little feedback is like putting out a fishing line.
you guys just took it hook, line and sinker. very touchy about the london base. peanut pusher,i agree there are many complaints regarding the product (or lack of it) and its inconsitencies regardless of base.
have another trip in a couple of weeks, shall look forward to the feedback
as for want2fly you should change it to noonewantsmefly based on your comments
constructive critisism is the key to improve service levels.
as speedbird pointed out i work for qf in australia, the london base are contractors by some subsidery.
you guys just took it hook, line and sinker. very touchy about the london base. peanut pusher,i agree there are many complaints regarding the product (or lack of it) and its inconsitencies regardless of base.
have another trip in a couple of weeks, shall look forward to the feedback
as for want2fly you should change it to noonewantsmefly based on your comments
constructive critisism is the key to improve service levels.
as speedbird pointed out i work for qf in australia, the london base are contractors by some subsidery.
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can confrirm a QF crew member was arrested in BKK,sketchy details, she is still there, but apparently at the crew hotel,not in jail. She has been released,but apparently awaiting a court appearance so wont be home for a while.It sounds really sad.
can confrirm a QF crew member was arrested in BKK,sketchy details, she is still there, but apparently at the crew hotel,not in jail. She has been released,but apparently awaiting a court appearance so wont be home for a while.It sounds really sad.
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just spoke to on of our techies and he tells me that qf plans to use the a330-300 on the bombay run. needs a fuel stop in darwin on the way up, direct back. there will be another destination in india by years end. also more US services are coming. this, plus the added beijing trips (initially 3X), one extra shanghai and the charter flights to korea.
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peanut pusher,
Will you deny or confirm that there is a EU/UK crew hour limitation that is less than QF's original planning hours of 240?
Has anyone else heard anymore of the AO EBA vote and what the split was?
The silence from the faaa is almost deafening!
Will you deny or confirm that there is a EU/UK crew hour limitation that is less than QF's original planning hours of 240?
Has anyone else heard anymore of the AO EBA vote and what the split was?
The silence from the faaa is almost deafening!
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TrollyWally,
How many AO cabin crew are there?
Why is the faaa so reluctant to say anything about this vote??
It has been nearly a month now and there is still not a thing on the faaa website,what are we paying membership fees for?
How many AO cabin crew are there?
Why is the faaa so reluctant to say anything about this vote??
It has been nearly a month now and there is still not a thing on the faaa website,what are we paying membership fees for?
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Some more scuttlebutt
QF plans to use the A330-300 to Bangalore (silicon valley of India) Transiting in Singapore.
Singapore-- Bangalore round trip about 8.5 hours duty time return to Singapore
Starts next year.. Will this play havoc with your slip time?
QF plans to use the A330-300 to Bangalore (silicon valley of India) Transiting in Singapore.
Singapore-- Bangalore round trip about 8.5 hours duty time return to Singapore
Starts next year.. Will this play havoc with your slip time?
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i dont think it will affect the slip times in singapore. however if it is the same night shuttle we used to do out of sin to bom, i cant see many takers, regardless of sliptime.
would find it amazing to once again compete with indian carriers and sing air on (if it is going to happen) the bangalore run. we couldn\'t make any money with the 767 on the bom shuttle why should jb expect to make some on the new run unless it goes direct to oz?
would find it amazing to once again compete with indian carriers and sing air on (if it is going to happen) the bangalore run. we couldn\'t make any money with the 767 on the bom shuttle why should jb expect to make some on the new run unless it goes direct to oz?
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The Bangalore run is out of Sin to utilise an A330 that sits on the ground for 10 hours a day.
When you say
" i cant see many takers, regardless of sliptime" are you reffering to cabin crewor pax. Pax have a choice..Cabin crew ??
When you say
" i cant see many takers, regardless of sliptime" are you reffering to cabin crewor pax. Pax have a choice..Cabin crew ??
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refer cabincrew
it refers to cabin crew as the tour of duty used to be pretty hard.
also those of yyou interested in the uk crew rosters and how they come about log on to teh uk civil aviation website and read teh follwing link
www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP371.PDF
this site refers to duty limitations and fatigue management
Bolty McBolt do you know where the a330 is coming from and then stands 10 hours on the ground to go to?
also those of yyou interested in the uk crew rosters and how they come about log on to teh uk civil aviation website and read teh follwing link
www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP371.PDF
this site refers to duty limitations and fatigue management
Bolty McBolt do you know where the a330 is coming from and then stands 10 hours on the ground to go to?
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Wine O babe,
If the EBA vote return was indeed yes,then you probably will not see too many adverts in Australia for CC.
With the precondition of unlimited bases with no cap ,then any adverts will be in overseas newspapers.AO would not need to employ Aus crew as overseas crew would be a fraction of the cost as our Thai based crew are.
If the EBA vote return was indeed yes,then you probably will not see too many adverts in Australia for CC.
With the precondition of unlimited bases with no cap ,then any adverts will be in overseas newspapers.AO would not need to employ Aus crew as overseas crew would be a fraction of the cost as our Thai based crew are.
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Wouldn't the flight times of QF29/30 HKG-LHR need to be changed in order for a 24hr slip to be achieved. Looking at the flights now they arrive in HKG in the morning and leave in the evening so a slip of around 40hr would be required.
Wouldn't the flight times of QF29/30 HKG-LHR need to be changed in order for a 24hr slip to be achieved. Looking at the flights now they arrive in HKG in the morning and leave in the evening so a slip of around 40hr would be required.