Bali Verdict
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Bali Verdict
Guess we are all in shock over the Bali verdict for Shapelle Corby.
Some say it was expected but just the same it strikes a raw nerve with most that an innocent visit to a popular tourist destination can land you 20 years in jail.
While there is little I can do to help prove Shapell's innocence I can do something. And I urge others to do the same.
I will never go back to Indonesia and will refuse any trip that I am rostered to do that has a layover in Indonesia (I will be sick with worry).
And I have just advised my family under no circumstances are they to visit Indonesia - no matter how cheap.
Also, on every occasion posssible I will advise passengers on my flights not to visit Indonesia for fear of the same fate.
This will be my way of helping and protest at this gross injustice.
Please do not participate in this thread if you wish to say Shapelle is guilty. It's not about that. It's about the risk you take on entering Indonesia.
Some say it was expected but just the same it strikes a raw nerve with most that an innocent visit to a popular tourist destination can land you 20 years in jail.
While there is little I can do to help prove Shapell's innocence I can do something. And I urge others to do the same.
I will never go back to Indonesia and will refuse any trip that I am rostered to do that has a layover in Indonesia (I will be sick with worry).
And I have just advised my family under no circumstances are they to visit Indonesia - no matter how cheap.
Also, on every occasion posssible I will advise passengers on my flights not to visit Indonesia for fear of the same fate.
This will be my way of helping and protest at this gross injustice.
Please do not participate in this thread if you wish to say Shapelle is guilty. It's not about that. It's about the risk you take on entering Indonesia.
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Firstly I would like to say thanks to QFCSM for starting this thread.
And PLEASE take note of the red print in the initial post.
I have been following Schapelles very tragic circumstances and feel deeply moved by her plight.
I support the stance you have taken QFCSM and hope never to have to fly into Indonesia on a tour of duty myself.
A barbaric backward country that will never amount to anything I am sorry to say.
God help that poor girl, my prayers are with her.
And PLEASE take note of the red print in the initial post.
I have been following Schapelles very tragic circumstances and feel deeply moved by her plight.
I support the stance you have taken QFCSM and hope never to have to fly into Indonesia on a tour of duty myself.
A barbaric backward country that will never amount to anything I am sorry to say.
God help that poor girl, my prayers are with her.
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I believe she is innocent, but do I KNOW that for a FACT?
NO! All I can go on is the media.
Everyone is entitled to their oppinion, and to voice their oppinions, after all that is what this message board is for, and that is the way the "free' world should be. What is important is that we do not force your views on others.
I lived in Indonesia for 8 years, so am fully aware of how corrupt, and backward the country is. There is a strong resentment towards Australia and other Western countries for what it believes to be interfereing in their local affairs.
Everything I know about the Corby case is purely what has been portrayed in the Australian Media, which in some cases was extremely emotive, and although it gained the support of the Australian public, I believe it actually did more harm than good. I can assure you the judges saw most of the Australian media broadcasts.
Even if Shapelle is innocent, which I believe she is, we can't boycot Bali. I mean I believe she is innocent, but do I KNOW that for a FACT? NO! All I can go on is the media.
It is not the friendly Balinese people who sell handy crafts and white water rafting tours; the young and underpaid workers who serve delicious satay chicken and nasi goreng for less wages per month than most of us make in a day; the same people whose lives soley depend on the tourist trade, and are still trying to recover from the aftermath of the Bali bombing.......... but rather Supreme Court of the Republic of Indonesia who has tried and convicted her. Bali is unfortunately unlucky enough to be a part that damn country. If they had a choice, they would much prefer to be independant.
I am a travel agent, and I will continue to recommend Bali as a great value for money holiday destination.
Any notion of trying to persuade passengers on flights is extremely unprofessionel, and personally if a customer service manager on a flight tried to impose his/her poltical belief on me I would be outraged, and make a complaint.
I look forward to the replies... but please read my first sentence.
NO! All I can go on is the media.
Everyone is entitled to their oppinion, and to voice their oppinions, after all that is what this message board is for, and that is the way the "free' world should be. What is important is that we do not force your views on others.
I lived in Indonesia for 8 years, so am fully aware of how corrupt, and backward the country is. There is a strong resentment towards Australia and other Western countries for what it believes to be interfereing in their local affairs.
Everything I know about the Corby case is purely what has been portrayed in the Australian Media, which in some cases was extremely emotive, and although it gained the support of the Australian public, I believe it actually did more harm than good. I can assure you the judges saw most of the Australian media broadcasts.
Even if Shapelle is innocent, which I believe she is, we can't boycot Bali. I mean I believe she is innocent, but do I KNOW that for a FACT? NO! All I can go on is the media.
It is not the friendly Balinese people who sell handy crafts and white water rafting tours; the young and underpaid workers who serve delicious satay chicken and nasi goreng for less wages per month than most of us make in a day; the same people whose lives soley depend on the tourist trade, and are still trying to recover from the aftermath of the Bali bombing.......... but rather Supreme Court of the Republic of Indonesia who has tried and convicted her. Bali is unfortunately unlucky enough to be a part that damn country. If they had a choice, they would much prefer to be independant.
I am a travel agent, and I will continue to recommend Bali as a great value for money holiday destination.
Any notion of trying to persuade passengers on flights is extremely unprofessionel, and personally if a customer service manager on a flight tried to impose his/her poltical belief on me I would be outraged, and make a complaint.
I look forward to the replies... but please read my first sentence.
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again well said. im not a pot head but only drink.i love surfing in indo.i as a f/a would not impart my political beliefs on pax.im not going to bali any time soon because because, of the bombing ,drugs case and corruption, not my first sentence but my last, do i know its safe for a fact!!!!????????????
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As an Australian I am also very disapointed with the little amount of support Schapelle got from the Australian government. (I do admit that my judgment does come from what I have seen in media reports). The "token" gesture of the letter at the end of the trial did nothing to help her case, as the judge said in the verdict, and other than some financial support and list of lawyers to choose from the Aussie govt have really tried to stay out of the whole case.
You see on the news different politicians saying that we need to respect the legal system of other countries blah blah blah. Hello.... should not our politicians play politics. Use the strength, wealth etc of our country and give the Indonesian president no other choice but to offer a pardon.
IMHO once you set foot off Aussie soil your government will not support you.
You see on the news different politicians saying that we need to respect the legal system of other countries blah blah blah. Hello.... should not our politicians play politics. Use the strength, wealth etc of our country and give the Indonesian president no other choice but to offer a pardon.
IMHO once you set foot off Aussie soil your government will not support you.
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Thank you "I just want to fly" for your balanced post.
Firstly let me say I do feel sorry for the many Balinese folks who are the end result of any backlash.
Having said that, perhaps they are the very key to challenging the local bureaucracy to a more balanced legal system that would see this scenario differently.
Considering the events just unfolding, I would ask you as a travel agent to at least advise your customers of the dangers that exist in travelling to these destinations.
Let’s get one thing clear, whether Shapelle is innocent or not:
“The fact is clear that if you are in possession, you have little, if not any defence from prosecution. Even if you had no idea how the possession came to be.”
And the local CSI team are probably not going to be of much help!!!!
The point I am trying to make here is that if you are found with something in your possession that may have been planted, for what ever reason, you will wear it – THAT IS DANGEROUS!
I restate my point that I will advise others to avoid Indonesia at all costs. If that is unprofessional and you wish to make a complaint - go right ahead. But how that is political is lost on me.
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Firstly let me say I do feel sorry for the many Balinese folks who are the end result of any backlash.
Having said that, perhaps they are the very key to challenging the local bureaucracy to a more balanced legal system that would see this scenario differently.
Considering the events just unfolding, I would ask you as a travel agent to at least advise your customers of the dangers that exist in travelling to these destinations.
Let’s get one thing clear, whether Shapelle is innocent or not:
“The fact is clear that if you are in possession, you have little, if not any defence from prosecution. Even if you had no idea how the possession came to be.”
And the local CSI team are probably not going to be of much help!!!!
The point I am trying to make here is that if you are found with something in your possession that may have been planted, for what ever reason, you will wear it – THAT IS DANGEROUS!
I restate my point that I will advise others to avoid Indonesia at all costs. If that is unprofessional and you wish to make a complaint - go right ahead. But how that is political is lost on me.
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I guess those of you not going to Indonesia will also drop HNL LAX and JFK off your radar. After all there is still an Australian locked up under very dodgy circumstances in Cuba.
But he isnt young and pretty is he?
I think an awful lot of people have been sucked in big time by the media circus. I dont know if she is guilty or innocent and nor does anyone who wasnt in court every day or standing along side this girl when she arrived in Bali. However she has been judged rightly or wrongly by the applicable justice system. Because you dont happen to agree with it I think it is very short sighted to start imposing punishment on the innocent people who live there by not travelling there and supporting them.
But he isnt young and pretty is he?
I think an awful lot of people have been sucked in big time by the media circus. I dont know if she is guilty or innocent and nor does anyone who wasnt in court every day or standing along side this girl when she arrived in Bali. However she has been judged rightly or wrongly by the applicable justice system. Because you dont happen to agree with it I think it is very short sighted to start imposing punishment on the innocent people who live there by not travelling there and supporting them.
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I agree wonderworld.
the emotion the emotion, OMG, there are 140 Australian citizens in jails around the world for drug trafficking.
The media have really outdone themselves this time.
Why hurt the Indonesian people, they arent the to blame.
Its so ignorant to say "boycott Indonesia",
If you want to vent your anger on someone, then channel 9 is as guilty as hell.
Boycott their programs
the emotion the emotion, OMG, there are 140 Australian citizens in jails around the world for drug trafficking.
The media have really outdone themselves this time.
Why hurt the Indonesian people, they arent the to blame.
Its so ignorant to say "boycott Indonesia",
If you want to vent your anger on someone, then channel 9 is as guilty as hell.
Boycott their programs
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I am just disgusted that this girl gets 20 years and Abu Bakar Bashir ges 3 odd years for conspiring to murder so many innocent Australians. Yeah thats justice!!
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Based on QFCSM's theory - then should people avoid using Qantas flights ??? - After all, the baggage handlers have come under scrutiny through all this....!!!???
Have there not been B/handlers' stood down and sacked as a result of inappropriate behaviour ?????
Anyone remember reports about Camels' heads on tarmacs??????
"People in glass houses.........." You know how it finishes.
I too, agree with IJWTF's comments earlier - u can't punish the balinese people for all this. They are just as innocent as Schapelle may be....It is an unfortunate state of affairs - but it is not all over yet.
Have there not been B/handlers' stood down and sacked as a result of inappropriate behaviour ?????
Anyone remember reports about Camels' heads on tarmacs??????
"People in glass houses.........." You know how it finishes.
I too, agree with IJWTF's comments earlier - u can't punish the balinese people for all this. They are just as innocent as Schapelle may be....It is an unfortunate state of affairs - but it is not all over yet.
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If you are set on defending this person would be nice if you spelt her name right 
Schapelle
or maybe you are just using her case as a vehicle to air a grievance about the Indonesian system
Schapelle
or maybe you are just using her case as a vehicle to air a grievance about the Indonesian system
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Did you know that you can now request to have your check in baggage "wrapped"??
They wrap up your bag/s in lots and lots of clingwrap so it's easy to tell whether it has been tampered with.
It also takes about half an hour to "unwrap" it.
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They wrap up your bag/s in lots and lots of clingwrap so it's easy to tell whether it has been tampered with.
It also takes about half an hour to "unwrap" it.
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"I restate my point that I will advise others to avoid Indonesia at all costs. If that is unprofessional and you wish to make a complaint - go right ahead. But how that is political is lost on me."
I commend you for your passion and strong beliefs, but this is essentially political. We are talking about the Indonesian judicial system, and our governemts lack of action.
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"Use the strength, wealth etc of our country and give the Indonesian president no other choice but to offer a pardon."
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes matters worse. They are an independant country. We cannot force them to do anything, unless we feel that it violates international law. And then we have to take it up with the UN. Do we really want to become another USA, throwing our weight around whenever we want something to go our way?
I strongly believe that the Oz govt should have done a lot more. But that should have been in the form of consular and legal assistance, perhaps helping to fund a more experienced legal team.
"I restate my point that I will advise others to avoid Indonesia at all costs. If that is unprofessional and you wish to make a complaint - go right ahead. But how that is political is lost on me."
I commend you for your passion and strong beliefs, but this is essentially political. We are talking about the Indonesian judicial system, and our governemts lack of action.
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"Use the strength, wealth etc of our country and give the Indonesian president no other choice but to offer a pardon."
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes matters worse. They are an independant country. We cannot force them to do anything, unless we feel that it violates international law. And then we have to take it up with the UN. Do we really want to become another USA, throwing our weight around whenever we want something to go our way?
I strongly believe that the Oz govt should have done a lot more. But that should have been in the form of consular and legal assistance, perhaps helping to fund a more experienced legal team.
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a tragedy
the whole affair is indeed a tragedy - but at least this time it was the baggage handler rather than the butler who done it.....
seriously though -pre- emptive strikes by Australia on the sovereignty of another country's legal system is unacceptable..and really -if schapelle had of been a big fat bush pig -instead of a bit of a glam would there really have been this much interest -viv-a-vis -media interest ? Australia's media is dominated by blokes - schapelle provided a free junket to bali for the male journos and a bit of a perv- nothing more.
if she was ugly -this story would not have run..its a cruel world and the beautiful always seem to fare better.
seriously though -pre- emptive strikes by Australia on the sovereignty of another country's legal system is unacceptable..and really -if schapelle had of been a big fat bush pig -instead of a bit of a glam would there really have been this much interest -viv-a-vis -media interest ? Australia's media is dominated by blokes - schapelle provided a free junket to bali for the male journos and a bit of a perv- nothing more.
if she was ugly -this story would not have run..its a cruel world and the beautiful always seem to fare better.
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Sorry to hear about Ms Corby's problem in Bali; and greatly heartened to hear the Australian PM's public sympathy for her.
However if the Australian Government had taken steps to ensure first class representation for her in the first case it might have turned out better and there would be no need for Howard's embarrassing hand-wringing after the verdict.
I suggest a better course of action would have been for the Australian police to have taken apart the airside route of her checked baggage and everybody who could have touched it in Australia. Armed with the weight of the checked baggage on initial departure (from the airline records) police could weigh her baggage as turned over by Bali police (they MUST still have it as evidence). if there's a 4kg discrepancy she's not guilty and an appeal can be launched by a good lawyer with some hope of success. These theives have made it a habit to use unsuspecting passengers and MUST be punished.
Got to say that in Asia to carry drugs is usually punishable with the death penalty; mercifully not in this case. But PLEASE all of you who have youngsters wanting to travel, make sure they understand the importance of personal security and have baggage which is difficult to interfere with - particularly the dangers of the Australian backpack and handbags/mobiles. There is no such thing as "mates" when it comes to baggage.
Don't curse the ordinary Indonesian; his life is difficult enough as it is and yours in Australia is immensely more privileged. Those of you involved in tsunami relief will know this. And please don't disengage from Indonesia either; just try to understand them a bit. It may turn out that the blame for this sad affair lies back in Australia, not in Indonesia.
However if the Australian Government had taken steps to ensure first class representation for her in the first case it might have turned out better and there would be no need for Howard's embarrassing hand-wringing after the verdict.
I suggest a better course of action would have been for the Australian police to have taken apart the airside route of her checked baggage and everybody who could have touched it in Australia. Armed with the weight of the checked baggage on initial departure (from the airline records) police could weigh her baggage as turned over by Bali police (they MUST still have it as evidence). if there's a 4kg discrepancy she's not guilty and an appeal can be launched by a good lawyer with some hope of success. These theives have made it a habit to use unsuspecting passengers and MUST be punished.
Got to say that in Asia to carry drugs is usually punishable with the death penalty; mercifully not in this case. But PLEASE all of you who have youngsters wanting to travel, make sure they understand the importance of personal security and have baggage which is difficult to interfere with - particularly the dangers of the Australian backpack and handbags/mobiles. There is no such thing as "mates" when it comes to baggage.
Don't curse the ordinary Indonesian; his life is difficult enough as it is and yours in Australia is immensely more privileged. Those of you involved in tsunami relief will know this. And please don't disengage from Indonesia either; just try to understand them a bit. It may turn out that the blame for this sad affair lies back in Australia, not in Indonesia.