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Eye on the sky .. WRT your hint at wanting to undertake investigative/responsible journalism reporting, what's your angle?
Are you only interested in the big end of town? What is it your actually after?
Are you only interested in the big end of town? What is it your actually after?
4Kg = 9 pounds, i.e about a sack of potatoes, but dried up leaf matter would be half the density; so we're talking about a lump the size of a twenty-five pound sack of potatoes.
The first person I would want to talk to is the checkin agent as s/he may well have a personal recall of the bag in question.
Yes, the police investigation is highly remiss in not bothering to obtain the checkin weight and calibrate the scales. Certainly her lawyers should have been on to that, but there remains the possibility the checkin weight would not have helped her story, and there are many in similar circumstances who have been drug mules.
It is still possible the contraband was surreptiously added. Others have advised walking away from any bag showing signs of interference and leaving the country ASAP, whether Indonesia, the USA or many others.
The first person I would want to talk to is the checkin agent as s/he may well have a personal recall of the bag in question.
Yes, the police investigation is highly remiss in not bothering to obtain the checkin weight and calibrate the scales. Certainly her lawyers should have been on to that, but there remains the possibility the checkin weight would not have helped her story, and there are many in similar circumstances who have been drug mules.
It is still possible the contraband was surreptiously added. Others have advised walking away from any bag showing signs of interference and leaving the country ASAP, whether Indonesia, the USA or many others.
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peanut pusher,
Thx for some sane sense and an open mind....it does seem very odd that whoever stuffed the boogie board bag happened to have a bag that fit exactly....must just have been lucky.....there's more on the topic here
And I hope a long prison stretch is in store for whoever posted bacteria to the Indo Embassy in Canberra - as if that is going to help Corby's appeal.
So to answer the origanal posts question i) I hope many of you DO boycott Bali so ii) It will be more pleasant for the rest of us who do go.
Thx for some sane sense and an open mind....it does seem very odd that whoever stuffed the boogie board bag happened to have a bag that fit exactly....must just have been lucky.....there's more on the topic here
And I hope a long prison stretch is in store for whoever posted bacteria to the Indo Embassy in Canberra - as if that is going to help Corby's appeal.
So to answer the origanal posts question i) I hope many of you DO boycott Bali so ii) It will be more pleasant for the rest of us who do go.
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Its been suggested that the reason that she did not put a lock on her bag was so that she could use that as a defence??
Could that be possible??? Surely not..
As for those of you who want to boycot indonesia on layovers, i mean come on, Fourplay?? are you for real? Let me assure you you will be having layovers there in the very near future. Isnt that right etihadlad?
We will just have to grin and bear it. And have another drink at the bar hey?
Could that be possible??? Surely not..
As for those of you who want to boycot indonesia on layovers, i mean come on, Fourplay?? are you for real? Let me assure you you will be having layovers there in the very near future. Isnt that right etihadlad?
We will just have to grin and bear it. And have another drink at the bar hey?
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I suppose the only answer to be completely safe travelling pretty much anywhere in the Far East and other parts of the world, is to have hand luggage only, which you never let out of your sight.
The suggestion of shrink-wrapping your case is a good one but how do you know that the smugglers haven't got access to the same wrapping method and will just re-wrap the case. Is that far-fetched??
I am a person who likes to take lots of stuff with me and that involves a big case for a 2-week or more holiday. But it's a bit silly isn't it? I could manage on far less. This thread makes me think that I should change my big-case habit and travel with a small hand-luggage-sized case and have complete peace of mind.
The suggestion of shrink-wrapping your case is a good one but how do you know that the smugglers haven't got access to the same wrapping method and will just re-wrap the case. Is that far-fetched??
I am a person who likes to take lots of stuff with me and that involves a big case for a 2-week or more holiday. But it's a bit silly isn't it? I could manage on far less. This thread makes me think that I should change my big-case habit and travel with a small hand-luggage-sized case and have complete peace of mind.
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Just spent the last 6 days in Jakarta, planning to go back for a month in Sept, even considering investing in the Nusa Dua golf resort.... Life is so much easier and less stressful when you dont travel with 4 kgs of hash in your luggage!
As for those of you who dont think your gov did enough, this is from http://www.smarttraveller.gov.au/ass...in_limits.html
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As for those of you who dont think your gov did enough, this is from http://www.smarttraveller.gov.au/ass...in_limits.html
- cannot provide funds to pay your legal costs, represent you at legal proceedings or give legal advice
- cannot get you out of prison or obtain special treatment for you in prison
- cannot investigate crimes
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I agree with you mutt, so so so much easier to travel when you don't have the goods!
I simply cannot get over the hysteria, the media have a lot to answer for! there simply has to be some sort of control over the scandalous reporting!.
Its a shame! that chick has really stuffed it up for a lot of travellers!
The good thing is people have really short memories, next week there will be hardly a mention, they will offer the feral aussies cheap tickets to BALI and they will cash in the Centrelink cheques ASAP.
I simply cannot get over the hysteria, the media have a lot to answer for! there simply has to be some sort of control over the scandalous reporting!.
Its a shame! that chick has really stuffed it up for a lot of travellers!
The good thing is people have really short memories, next week there will be hardly a mention, they will offer the feral aussies cheap tickets to BALI and they will cash in the Centrelink cheques ASAP.
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Just a follow on to T1's post. I used to travel extensively and for extended periods all over SE Asia as a telecoms engineer. My personal travel motto, though, was "If I can't RUN with it, I don't NEED it!" I found I could get all I needed into a garment bag and my briefcase.
Also tends to speed one through the departure process as you're not hanging around beside someone who's taking thier HOUSE with them!
Also tends to speed one through the departure process as you're not hanging around beside someone who's taking thier HOUSE with them!
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Yeah, good on ya!
Typical pilot who wears his undies four ways before a wash!
And obviously a loner without family.
Try travelling with a wife and a couple of kids and just one garment bag.
Remember your words when you get in the family way, if any self respecting person will still marry a pilot....
Typical pilot who wears his undies four ways before a wash!
And obviously a loner without family.
Try travelling with a wife and a couple of kids and just one garment bag.
Remember your words when you get in the family way, if any self respecting person will still marry a pilot....
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Thanks moderator, I agree that was a little harsh..
And to Disegaged (are you sure you spelt that right?)
You are new to the forums from what I can tell, so take it easy on the posts hey? Everyones entitled to their own opinion as there wouldn't be anything to debate right?
However in Corby's case..I wont divulge my subjective opinion. I think the media have made both Schapelle and Australia alike a mockery in their own ways. Yes I can understand that Australians want to protect her because she is an aussi, but looks to me now like no one actually knows whether she was guilty or not. The media are playing both sides of the field to get a good story.
After studying law, I can see that there are huge flaws in both sides of the case, but at the end of the day...she has been convicted, and she has been convicted in Bali.
If she didn't do it..then yes I do pity her, however justice will prevail in some form or another. If she did do it and the guilty verdict is correct...then I am disappointed that Australians so desperately want to bring her back to Aus. If she did do it, let her do the time in Bali, as she was silly enough to take the goods over in the first place.
Schapelle is a very smart girl and has matured very quickly from this whole experience. If she really wants to clear her name she will find a way...Like I said Justice will prevail.
Although I have had an open mind.. I still do have my opinion about wether I think the outcome was right. However Australians are dividing ourselves over this issue, as are the world. Why is that? Is it really going to change anything in the short term?
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And to Disegaged (are you sure you spelt that right?)
You are new to the forums from what I can tell, so take it easy on the posts hey? Everyones entitled to their own opinion as there wouldn't be anything to debate right?
However in Corby's case..I wont divulge my subjective opinion. I think the media have made both Schapelle and Australia alike a mockery in their own ways. Yes I can understand that Australians want to protect her because she is an aussi, but looks to me now like no one actually knows whether she was guilty or not. The media are playing both sides of the field to get a good story.
After studying law, I can see that there are huge flaws in both sides of the case, but at the end of the day...she has been convicted, and she has been convicted in Bali.
If she didn't do it..then yes I do pity her, however justice will prevail in some form or another. If she did do it and the guilty verdict is correct...then I am disappointed that Australians so desperately want to bring her back to Aus. If she did do it, let her do the time in Bali, as she was silly enough to take the goods over in the first place.
Schapelle is a very smart girl and has matured very quickly from this whole experience. If she really wants to clear her name she will find a way...Like I said Justice will prevail.
Although I have had an open mind.. I still do have my opinion about wether I think the outcome was right. However Australians are dividing ourselves over this issue, as are the world. Why is that? Is it really going to change anything in the short term?
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Whenever media sensationalism ever gets ahold of Aussies caught breaking the law in other countries, the convicted become martyrs in the Australian publics' eyes, and the legal system in the country involved is labelled 'barbaric'.
I cant say whether or not she is guilty. However, that was the verdict, the crime was committed in Indonesia, and therefore she will have to accept the penalty.
I think it is a real reflection of us as Australians that we are so ready to attack another country's legal system and customs, when we live in a country where convicted (guilty!!) child molesters can walk away from prison in under a year, and sometimes just get suspended sentences.
Our legal system is far from perfect, and for one, I would much rather have a heavier-handed legal system than the 'slap-on-the-wrist' one we have today.
So before attacking Indonesia's legal system, have a look within your own borders.
As they say, people in glass houses and all that ......
I cant say whether or not she is guilty. However, that was the verdict, the crime was committed in Indonesia, and therefore she will have to accept the penalty.
I think it is a real reflection of us as Australians that we are so ready to attack another country's legal system and customs, when we live in a country where convicted (guilty!!) child molesters can walk away from prison in under a year, and sometimes just get suspended sentences.
Our legal system is far from perfect, and for one, I would much rather have a heavier-handed legal system than the 'slap-on-the-wrist' one we have today.
So before attacking Indonesia's legal system, have a look within your own borders.
As they say, people in glass houses and all that ......
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After studying law, I can see that there are huge flaws in both sides of the case
when we live in a country where convicted (guilty!!) child molesters can walk away from prison in under a year, and sometimes just get suspended sentences.
It may not be right in our subjective eyes, but we are not privy to that combined info that the Magistrate is, so how can we say that the sentence was appropriate or not?
I have had to sit thru' some horrendous stuff being trotted out in court, it is very hard to be objective when the facts are being presented, and that it was makes our judiciary that little bit better at handing out punishments than is more ordinary folk .. it doesn't make it any more palatable or right mind you.
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well havent emotions settled down....
Have a look at the figures, the numebrs to BALI have never been better, Garuda has added another flight. so much for the "boycott"
looks like most people never gave a sh1t, it was all a media blowup.
Have a look at the figures, the numebrs to BALI have never been better, Garuda has added another flight. so much for the "boycott"
looks like most people never gave a sh1t, it was all a media blowup.
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Thought you guys might be interested in viewing this thread I started on the subject in JB.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ighlight=drugs
I'm thinking of visiting Indonesia while on a trip of SE Asia within the next two years. While I'm no lover of the Indonesian regime my wish to see the culture of this part of the world, its geology & Bali seem to outpassing any qualms I feel in this regard.
I've no idea whether the lady in question was guilty or not, I'd be lying if I did, though like some here as I've stated in my thread I feel many similar plights like hers have not got the similar public exposure & support because they weren't raving female beauties. Of course even if she's guilty I feel the sentence she got was out of proportion to the offence though of course we go have to remember the 'When in Rome' adage & respect the laws of lands we're visiting. No matter how peculiar, medieval & harsh they seem to us, visitors are very powerless to challenge & disobey age old systems without harsh regress. Nor do I now believe that marijuana is the harmless drug many believe it to be which I've pointed out in my thread & which has been reiterated in a 'Panorama' programme recently.
I'm not into drugs, I do not partake of them, carry or push them but when I visit SE Asia I will be taking extra precautions with my luggage, infact it's likely I will be going out & buying a whole new hard set, luggage straps & all nor will I be travelling there via the US which has an open suitcase policy. Having drugs planted on you I believe is the main danger, while I'm sure it's rare I've no doubt it does happen & that there are innocent people languishing in SE Asian hell holes because of this.
As a pax, as someone has stated, I do not believe an FA's duty (or that it is professional for them) is to ram their beliefs & advice down my throat while I'm a captive audience on their aircraft however well intended. I'm sure most pax have the maturity & judgement to make up their own minds on this issue. As many of quite rightly said if tourism is boycotted there, it will be the innocent struggling to make a decent livelihood who will suffer, not the corrupt regime or those who impose the law of the land.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...ighlight=drugs
I'm thinking of visiting Indonesia while on a trip of SE Asia within the next two years. While I'm no lover of the Indonesian regime my wish to see the culture of this part of the world, its geology & Bali seem to outpassing any qualms I feel in this regard.
I've no idea whether the lady in question was guilty or not, I'd be lying if I did, though like some here as I've stated in my thread I feel many similar plights like hers have not got the similar public exposure & support because they weren't raving female beauties. Of course even if she's guilty I feel the sentence she got was out of proportion to the offence though of course we go have to remember the 'When in Rome' adage & respect the laws of lands we're visiting. No matter how peculiar, medieval & harsh they seem to us, visitors are very powerless to challenge & disobey age old systems without harsh regress. Nor do I now believe that marijuana is the harmless drug many believe it to be which I've pointed out in my thread & which has been reiterated in a 'Panorama' programme recently.
I'm not into drugs, I do not partake of them, carry or push them but when I visit SE Asia I will be taking extra precautions with my luggage, infact it's likely I will be going out & buying a whole new hard set, luggage straps & all nor will I be travelling there via the US which has an open suitcase policy. Having drugs planted on you I believe is the main danger, while I'm sure it's rare I've no doubt it does happen & that there are innocent people languishing in SE Asian hell holes because of this.
As a pax, as someone has stated, I do not believe an FA's duty (or that it is professional for them) is to ram their beliefs & advice down my throat while I'm a captive audience on their aircraft however well intended. I'm sure most pax have the maturity & judgement to make up their own minds on this issue. As many of quite rightly said if tourism is boycotted there, it will be the innocent struggling to make a decent livelihood who will suffer, not the corrupt regime or those who impose the law of the land.
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Gees Rollingthunder
That's not a great advertisement, why do you dislike it so much?
It's the geology of the country that really interests me though, as those lovely active volcanoes
though looking at the trips online today I'm going to be hard pushed to fit in Thailand, Malaysia (including Borneo) & Indonesia in one trip, may have to split them into two. I've heard so many wonderful things about Bali it's got my curiosity going.
I intend to do the South Pacific Islands on another trip to give them time & justice, Fiji included. You obviously recommend it much more.
That's not a great advertisement, why do you dislike it so much?
It's the geology of the country that really interests me though, as those lovely active volcanoes
though looking at the trips online today I'm going to be hard pushed to fit in Thailand, Malaysia (including Borneo) & Indonesia in one trip, may have to split them into two. I've heard so many wonderful things about Bali it's got my curiosity going. I intend to do the South Pacific Islands on another trip to give them time & justice, Fiji included. You obviously recommend it much more.