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I would like your views on BAA Security and the proceedures they have in place.
I Have been flying as crew for 2 and a half years, in that time I have worked for a small regional airline, a new charter airline and then moved on to an airline who have been around for a while and have not long started passenger service's.
When I moved over to the third airline I had already been issued with 2 previous BAA security passes for EDI. BAA proceedures state that we are unable to just transfer the passes over to the new airline, therefore we need to go through the whole process again of having to get five year work history as well as a new disclosure scotland certificate. I can understand having to go through this when I swapped over to the 2nd airline as when I started with the first, we only had to give 2 years work history.
By the time the Disclosure Scotland certificate came through, I had completed my 4 week training and had been waiting for a further 8 weeks before the 3rd airline could forward all the details to EDI BAA Security office. In total I did not fly for 12 weeks! The last three weeks I did not get paid for!
When the documents were handed in I received a call from my office(at the time I was in AMS on a stag wkend) and they told me that the application had been unsuccesfull and returned to the airline office, my employer then informed that as I could not get a security pass, my employnment would be terminated.
On getting home and calling BAA they told me items were missing but could not disclose what items they were, further to that when I spoke with my office they did not seem to want to help me!
I understand the need for the 5yr checkable history and the disclosure scotland to keep the people we dont want in - out, but the security staff are now mucking about with peoples lively hoods and without being big headed - good staff are losing thier jobs!
Having spoken to my referees who were covering my GAP's she told me that a lady from the security had called her to check the detail and started accusing her of lying on the form!! Apparently there had been a question that asked if the person getting the pass was residing in the uk, referee had ticked yes but waas giving a ref for when I worked abroad, daft mistake I aggree, however this could have been rectified if.. number 1 the security staff told me exactly what the problem was and number 2, my office were a bit more helpfull.
Now im taken a year off but really miss it so have started applying again (not to any european flights and defo not for EDI airport), the security staff need a bit more training there on how to deal with people and situations.
Your comments are welcome!
I Have been flying as crew for 2 and a half years, in that time I have worked for a small regional airline, a new charter airline and then moved on to an airline who have been around for a while and have not long started passenger service's.
When I moved over to the third airline I had already been issued with 2 previous BAA security passes for EDI. BAA proceedures state that we are unable to just transfer the passes over to the new airline, therefore we need to go through the whole process again of having to get five year work history as well as a new disclosure scotland certificate. I can understand having to go through this when I swapped over to the 2nd airline as when I started with the first, we only had to give 2 years work history.
By the time the Disclosure Scotland certificate came through, I had completed my 4 week training and had been waiting for a further 8 weeks before the 3rd airline could forward all the details to EDI BAA Security office. In total I did not fly for 12 weeks! The last three weeks I did not get paid for!
When the documents were handed in I received a call from my office(at the time I was in AMS on a stag wkend) and they told me that the application had been unsuccesfull and returned to the airline office, my employer then informed that as I could not get a security pass, my employnment would be terminated.
On getting home and calling BAA they told me items were missing but could not disclose what items they were, further to that when I spoke with my office they did not seem to want to help me!
I understand the need for the 5yr checkable history and the disclosure scotland to keep the people we dont want in - out, but the security staff are now mucking about with peoples lively hoods and without being big headed - good staff are losing thier jobs!
Having spoken to my referees who were covering my GAP's she told me that a lady from the security had called her to check the detail and started accusing her of lying on the form!! Apparently there had been a question that asked if the person getting the pass was residing in the uk, referee had ticked yes but waas giving a ref for when I worked abroad, daft mistake I aggree, however this could have been rectified if.. number 1 the security staff told me exactly what the problem was and number 2, my office were a bit more helpfull.
Now im taken a year off but really miss it so have started applying again (not to any european flights and defo not for EDI airport), the security staff need a bit more training there on how to deal with people and situations.
Your comments are welcome!
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BAA or any other airport operator security procedures are based on Government security (DfT) directives. I do wonder if Government actually understand the impact these directives are having on the many people like you who wish to retain an airside ID when changing jobs from one company to another. It seems totally unnecessary to go through the whole 5 year reference process again, particularly if you switch jobs immediately. It surely must be having an impact on all companies who employ airside staff.
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having similar sort of problems, this time my check needs to be enhanced not basic which shows up something so i may not get a pass even though ive had one for like 7 years.
Seems unfair when any jonny foreigner can come over here and get a pass aslong as theyve had no indescretions in the UK, not hard when youve been here 5 mins but any misdemeanours in there are own country are untracable and as 1 in 3 of adults 30 in the uk have done something wrong in their life it seems to be a little harsh....did any terrosrists come from here?
Seems unfair when any jonny foreigner can come over here and get a pass aslong as theyve had no indescretions in the UK, not hard when youve been here 5 mins but any misdemeanours in there are own country are untracable and as 1 in 3 of adults 30 in the uk have done something wrong in their life it seems to be a little harsh....did any terrosrists come from here?
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You can access airside without a permanent pass from the airport operator. You can do this providing you meet all of the following conditions:
1, you are operating in flight
2, you have a valid passport, if a pilot, then also your pilot's licence
3, your name appears in the crew manifest list
4, the captain or the purser vouches for you
On the other ground if you cannot get a pass is because you may have something on your disclosure cert.
The Pavel bloke/chick above is a little racist? Where is your name from?
1, you are operating in flight
2, you have a valid passport, if a pilot, then also your pilot's licence
3, your name appears in the crew manifest list
4, the captain or the purser vouches for you
On the other ground if you cannot get a pass is because you may have something on your disclosure cert.
The Pavel bloke/chick above is a little racist? Where is your name from?
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With regards to the 5 year checks, once you have been actually issued a permenant airside ID you do not actually have to go through the whole 5 year check again, you just need the intermittent references inbetween when you left the airline to when youre coming back, and of course the Basic Disclosure.
I only found this out a few months ago, as like yourself have held 2 BAA Airsides previously, and was really pissed off at having to get all the references again.
As I collected my ID from LGW, I asked the BAA bloke why they didnt just store the 5 year history on the computer, and they do!
So if you have had a full airside before you do not need to go through that whole 5 year history rigmarole.
Nice of them to tell the airlines that, hey?!
I only found this out a few months ago, as like yourself have held 2 BAA Airsides previously, and was really pissed off at having to get all the references again.
As I collected my ID from LGW, I asked the BAA bloke why they didnt just store the 5 year history on the computer, and they do!
So if you have had a full airside before you do not need to go through that whole 5 year history rigmarole.
Nice of them to tell the airlines that, hey?!
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Hardly racist just stating some facts, fair enough you can do checks but they need to be fair but at the moment they only really penalise people who have been living in the UK all their lives and as we know a good proportion of airline employees have not so anything they may have done in the past does not show everything shd be across the board and fair to everyone.
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The fact of the matter is that the reason the BAA wont transfer ID's between airlines is that it makes work for them.
Security is becoming the home for the otherwise un-empolyable that once could only get jobs as heath and safety officers.
Security now has very little to do with keeping the public or the aviation industry safe it's now a gravey train onto which any one who wants to make a quick buck can jump.
The cream of the joke is that no one is allowed to question the great gods of security for fear of being labeled "soft on terrorists".
Security is becoming the home for the otherwise un-empolyable that once could only get jobs as heath and safety officers.
Security now has very little to do with keeping the public or the aviation industry safe it's now a gravey train onto which any one who wants to make a quick buck can jump.
The cream of the joke is that no one is allowed to question the great gods of security for fear of being labeled "soft on terrorists".
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Thats the first I knew about them holding the information on file, they really need to pass this info on or ghet a new system in.
I'll know for next time.
Wrote to my MP regarding Disclosure Scotland taking so long (3months!), she is apparently taking it up with the people responsible..we'l see lol
I'll know for next time.
Wrote to my MP regarding Disclosure Scotland taking so long (3months!), she is apparently taking it up with the people responsible..we'l see lol
