QF Shorthaul Treachery
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Well you will remember then that we were advised that there was enough regional flying to go around at the time we voted and were advised it was SOME not all regional flying on the Airbus, thats how it was sold to me anyway.
From what I have heard the international trips are very popular, maybe just a bad day sick wise I suppose. I know for a fact they will be very popular out of Sydney.
Maybe that is true about our elected officials I have never had reason to speak with them but it appears they are ensuring there is a future for short haul crew which is what they are paid to do. That doesnt mean I agree with whats happening, but if you look at what they doing for their members I wouldnt say it was hopeless.
I fully support the action Long Haul will take when it comes to it, however dont think for a minute QF dont have plans and agenda's up their sleeve to deal with this. Im not saying it wont work but recent history has shown QF do get what they want and at any cost.
Tarantella
I was not referring to the days after Ansett went down, obviously we all worked together during that time and I dont think anybody was expecting payback for that initial period and yes we also worked days off etc we all worked as a team.
However I am referring to all the flying done for 12 months or more thereafter, there were times during that period where Perth trips for short haul crew were cut right back due to the 747 operating these services, just like your Auckland trips and the effect this had on Melbourne crew the same was happening with short haul.
There is a black and white agreement in place about the payback of flying and once the initial period of Ansett was over QF found that it had no alternative but to up capacity and offer Long Haul quite a bit of domestic flying therefore I see no reason why the agreement should not come into effect at that point.
Qantas makes the decisions on where their aircraft fly so I dont think Short Haul would be asking Long Haul at all, from memory no one had any choice the decisions were all made by management.
Well you will remember then that we were advised that there was enough regional flying to go around at the time we voted and were advised it was SOME not all regional flying on the Airbus, thats how it was sold to me anyway.
From what I have heard the international trips are very popular, maybe just a bad day sick wise I suppose. I know for a fact they will be very popular out of Sydney.
Maybe that is true about our elected officials I have never had reason to speak with them but it appears they are ensuring there is a future for short haul crew which is what they are paid to do. That doesnt mean I agree with whats happening, but if you look at what they doing for their members I wouldnt say it was hopeless.
I fully support the action Long Haul will take when it comes to it, however dont think for a minute QF dont have plans and agenda's up their sleeve to deal with this. Im not saying it wont work but recent history has shown QF do get what they want and at any cost.
Tarantella
I was not referring to the days after Ansett went down, obviously we all worked together during that time and I dont think anybody was expecting payback for that initial period and yes we also worked days off etc we all worked as a team.
However I am referring to all the flying done for 12 months or more thereafter, there were times during that period where Perth trips for short haul crew were cut right back due to the 747 operating these services, just like your Auckland trips and the effect this had on Melbourne crew the same was happening with short haul.
There is a black and white agreement in place about the payback of flying and once the initial period of Ansett was over QF found that it had no alternative but to up capacity and offer Long Haul quite a bit of domestic flying therefore I see no reason why the agreement should not come into effect at that point.
Qantas makes the decisions on where their aircraft fly so I dont think Short Haul would be asking Long Haul at all, from memory no one had any choice the decisions were all made by management.
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I agree with Galleyhag..
My understanding of the regional flying clause was that we would be doing SOME regional international flying in conjunction with Long Haul. We were even told that Shorthaul may operate the aircraft into Hong Kong and Longhaul take it out for example. So we would be sharing the flying.
At no time were we ever aware that we would be allocated ALL this Asia flying. Having said that, im not the slightest bit interested in doing it anyway.
A further point.. I have carried entire paxing Longhaul crews a couple of times over the last week, and they have been nothing but lovely to us. I dont know where this idea that Longhaul crews are sledging us to our face idea is coming from, I certainly havent heard it from any other shorthaul crews either.
And finally..your shorthaul colleagues have no control over how the company manipulates this clause. Shorthaul has the upmost of respect for its Longhaul colleagues and we are certainly not going out of our way to make your lives difficult
My understanding of the regional flying clause was that we would be doing SOME regional international flying in conjunction with Long Haul. We were even told that Shorthaul may operate the aircraft into Hong Kong and Longhaul take it out for example. So we would be sharing the flying.
At no time were we ever aware that we would be allocated ALL this Asia flying. Having said that, im not the slightest bit interested in doing it anyway.
A further point.. I have carried entire paxing Longhaul crews a couple of times over the last week, and they have been nothing but lovely to us. I dont know where this idea that Longhaul crews are sledging us to our face idea is coming from, I certainly havent heard it from any other shorthaul crews either.
And finally..your shorthaul colleagues have no control over how the company manipulates this clause. Shorthaul has the upmost of respect for its Longhaul colleagues and we are certainly not going out of our way to make your lives difficult
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Prior to the Liberal Govt. and Peter Reith removing Awards, TAA and Ansett were covered by the Domestic Award. It had a Regional International flying clause, 14 hour international duties etc., to cover Cocos Island, Christmas Island and N.Z. flying. The regional clause in the last EBA is nothing new to crew who have been around for a while. Qantas management decide who and what goes where, (they do own the a/c) and people are getting sucked in by QF management doing the old divide and conquer. Management probably even read this forum.......
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Some of you lot amaze me. Anyone would think you work for two different companies. Be greatful that you've got a job as a hostie and if you don't like it, well why don't you just piss off and let somebody who wants it more than you have it.
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QF shorthaul treachery
Any longhaul crewmember disgusted at the attack
on our conditions by our shorthaul collegues might like to direct their anger to, amongst other places,here-
[email protected]
Perhaps it wont make any difference but the exercise will be cathartic nonetheless.
on our conditions by our shorthaul collegues might like to direct their anger to, amongst other places,here-
[email protected]
Perhaps it wont make any difference but the exercise will be cathartic nonetheless.
