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Re comments by Mr Seatback 2
I am a QF FF of some long time standing and for the past 18 months have been flying regularly BNE/SYD/CGK - at least once per month. If QF are going down the gurgler, how come they have increased flight scheduling from three times per week to a current 6 times per week.
Re male Gays - also still laughing. In nearly 60 years of flying, none of these gentlemen have ever been anything but courteous.
That's my 2 bobs worth and the moniker vitamin B has nothing to do with DJ
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I am a QF FF of some long time standing and for the past 18 months have been flying regularly BNE/SYD/CGK - at least once per month. If QF are going down the gurgler, how come they have increased flight scheduling from three times per week to a current 6 times per week.
Re male Gays - also still laughing. In nearly 60 years of flying, none of these gentlemen have ever been anything but courteous.
That's my 2 bobs worth and the moniker vitamin B has nothing to do with DJ
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WIND UP!!!!
I think you'll find wanttobecc is winding you all up.
Given that a new poster "flight attendant" is barking up the same tree, I wouldn't waste my valuable time responding to him/her. wanttobecc/flight attendant.
For those of you already flying , ENJOY!
Those wanting to be....never give up!
Remember when you are given a rejection, it's a process and not a reflection on your abilities and who you are.
Hang in there and keep the faith!
I think you'll find wanttobecc is winding you all up.
Given that a new poster "flight attendant" is barking up the same tree, I wouldn't waste my valuable time responding to him/her. wanttobecc/flight attendant.
For those of you already flying , ENJOY!
Those wanting to be....never give up!
Remember when you are given a rejection, it's a process and not a reflection on your abilities and who you are.
Hang in there and keep the faith!
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Hey Flight Attendant,
Do u really know what ur talkin about.... there is a lot of very good looking crew in qf, and for 1 thing qf dont have pursers get ya facts rite luv...............
Do u really know what ur talkin about.... there is a lot of very good looking crew in qf, and for 1 thing qf dont have pursers get ya facts rite luv...............
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oh dear
sounds like all of u should chage to wantto be's or could have beens.....
I create such a stir don't I...........everybody trying to protect their fantastic careers........please..........
QF coffee, tea... me? I lived in First Class I know what it's all about, and under F.A's beds certainly no clothes all the bottles of champagne stolen fron onboard.
whoever predicted Jetstar would flop I said they would flop not wisjed they would, this forum is B.S
Andyman continue to wash the dishes.... and yes girls and QF gays continue to b**** about wanttobe, the fact that u are trying to protect your s*** jobs so much is the reason why I have declined to take my interview, so asta la vista "desperados".. Virgin still rules!
Lizard Island here I come.... yippy
I create such a stir don't I...........everybody trying to protect their fantastic careers........please..........
QF coffee, tea... me? I lived in First Class I know what it's all about, and under F.A's beds certainly no clothes all the bottles of champagne stolen fron onboard.
whoever predicted Jetstar would flop I said they would flop not wisjed they would, this forum is B.S
Andyman continue to wash the dishes.... and yes girls and QF gays continue to b**** about wanttobe, the fact that u are trying to protect your s*** jobs so much is the reason why I have declined to take my interview, so asta la vista "desperados".. Virgin still rules!
Lizard Island here I come.... yippy
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Oh wanttobe...
I soooooo pity you...
The cleaners must have found it a real ****** to vacuum around your carcass during transits. 'Lived in First Class?' - where? Under the footrest? In the coat cupboard (just like that Rockhampton girl)? All sounds rather like a Woman's Day Scoop to me..."Delirious Squatter found in Overhead Locker on Qantas Jumbo!"
Dearest, the only B.S thing here is you and your complete inability to phrase a half decent sentence with correct grammar, spelling and punctuation. If you're going to mount SOME sort of attack, whip out your English books and THEN put fingers to keys. There's a love.
Oh I see, so they're QF gays now - I thought they were 'male gays'? And if we're b***'g about wanttobe (us 'male gays' or QF gays - you know, the ones who allegedly steal champagne and put it under our bed whilst wanttobecc is hiding in the coat cupboard, watching, waiting...), then what is wanttobe doing? A line? Or two?
And no offense meant to those of you who have worked or currently work there, but...
please help me out here wanttobe...
is your 'sensational position' located on Lizard Island?
I am folded over in anticipation of your next hysterically delirious ramble.
I just love a good stirring!!
I soooooo pity you...
"I lived in First Class I know what it's all about, and under F.A's beds certainly no clothes all the bottles of champagne stolen fron onboard"
"whoever predicted Jetstar would flop I said they would flop not wisjed they would, this forum is B.S"
"and yes girls and QF gays continue to b**** about wanttobe, the fact that u are trying to protect your s*** jobs so much is the reason why I have declined to take my interview, so asta la vista "desperados".. Virgin still rules!
Lizard Island here I come.... yippy"
Lizard Island here I come.... yippy"
And no offense meant to those of you who have worked or currently work there, but...
please help me out here wanttobe...
is your 'sensational position' located on Lizard Island?
I am folded over in anticipation of your next hysterically delirious ramble.
I just love a good stirring!!
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I just wanted to add my 2 cents.
wanttobebec - Where to start... maybe before you post things in a public forum you should get proof. Infact, instead of posting rumours/lies or both you could even try to clarify your information? A few airlines lawyers would have a field day on your posts on this thread. Wheres your proof of EK's "sexual advances of managerment"? Wheres your proof jetstar will "fail within 2 years" (afterall didn't 'they" also say that about your loved DJ, "they" are the same media who can't even get an aircraft type in their newspaper reports), wheres your proof of "gay come-ons of first class FA's at QF? Wheres your proof that QF FA's are stealing from their company?
I work for a division of QF, I'm not gay (but I am male), I don't steal from my employer and I don't come onto my passengers, I've also never seen the stealing or come-on's in my time with the company.
Also I want to know how QF has had its time, we've come a long way in the last few years and are a fantastic company to work for!
You'll never work in this industry and if some poor employer actually lets you in, you won't last with your attitude. Why? Everyone in aviation is one big family, we may very well compete in the air but we all genuinally care for each other, you on the other hand are way too bitter.
flight attendant - you have to be kidding me? grow up.
andyman, I'm sure you'll get there one day, re your dj experience though, I've seen cabin crew (and tech crew) yawn on many different airlines. Can't tell you how often crew accidently drop something either. Tiredness is all part of the job, no crew would sign on if they weren't fit to fly though, no matter who they work for.
Social Flyer and Hugh, fantastic posts, right on the mark.
Smile - It's a shame you're always having to defend your airline but well done, your posts contain useful information and show a great level of maturity, if the future of DJ is in the hands of people like you then they have no issues!
Finally on topic, I think DJ pays pretty well for the work they do, the crew seem happy (if you talk ot them and don't listen to the rumours). In a young airline though you'll always have people leave, they move on to bigger and better things, they get married, they move interstate/overseas, they decide to study etc etc. More so, how many people make a career out of FA'ing these days anyway? Even at the most established carriers, many people choose to do it for only a few years and then move on. As many have said, if its too hot get out, at least Dj won't be left with a heap of bitter, burned out, lazy crew like other carriers.
wanttobebec - Where to start... maybe before you post things in a public forum you should get proof. Infact, instead of posting rumours/lies or both you could even try to clarify your information? A few airlines lawyers would have a field day on your posts on this thread. Wheres your proof of EK's "sexual advances of managerment"? Wheres your proof jetstar will "fail within 2 years" (afterall didn't 'they" also say that about your loved DJ, "they" are the same media who can't even get an aircraft type in their newspaper reports), wheres your proof of "gay come-ons of first class FA's at QF? Wheres your proof that QF FA's are stealing from their company?
I work for a division of QF, I'm not gay (but I am male), I don't steal from my employer and I don't come onto my passengers, I've also never seen the stealing or come-on's in my time with the company.
Also I want to know how QF has had its time, we've come a long way in the last few years and are a fantastic company to work for!
You'll never work in this industry and if some poor employer actually lets you in, you won't last with your attitude. Why? Everyone in aviation is one big family, we may very well compete in the air but we all genuinally care for each other, you on the other hand are way too bitter.
flight attendant - you have to be kidding me? grow up.
andyman, I'm sure you'll get there one day, re your dj experience though, I've seen cabin crew (and tech crew) yawn on many different airlines. Can't tell you how often crew accidently drop something either. Tiredness is all part of the job, no crew would sign on if they weren't fit to fly though, no matter who they work for.
Social Flyer and Hugh, fantastic posts, right on the mark.
Smile - It's a shame you're always having to defend your airline but well done, your posts contain useful information and show a great level of maturity, if the future of DJ is in the hands of people like you then they have no issues!
Finally on topic, I think DJ pays pretty well for the work they do, the crew seem happy (if you talk ot them and don't listen to the rumours). In a young airline though you'll always have people leave, they move on to bigger and better things, they get married, they move interstate/overseas, they decide to study etc etc. More so, how many people make a career out of FA'ing these days anyway? Even at the most established carriers, many people choose to do it for only a few years and then move on. As many have said, if its too hot get out, at least Dj won't be left with a heap of bitter, burned out, lazy crew like other carriers.
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Thankyou Wanttobecc - you've actually put a smile on my face.
If for nothing else other than knowing you'd never have made it in cabin crew because of your disgusting attitude to others. I hope that your move to Lizard Island is not in any hospitality position, I feel sorry for the poor people that have to put up with the likes of you and am amazed that anyone would employ such self-centredness.
All cabin crew of every airline do a fantastic job and I'm grateful that you will never be up there to tarnish that.
And I'm guessing all that travel in First Class was probably due to your previous job, it's a shame you never learnt any manners like the rest of the passengers alongside you.
You know you can always pick the ring-ins.
If for nothing else other than knowing you'd never have made it in cabin crew because of your disgusting attitude to others. I hope that your move to Lizard Island is not in any hospitality position, I feel sorry for the poor people that have to put up with the likes of you and am amazed that anyone would employ such self-centredness.
All cabin crew of every airline do a fantastic job and I'm grateful that you will never be up there to tarnish that.
And I'm guessing all that travel in First Class was probably due to your previous job, it's a shame you never learnt any manners like the rest of the passengers alongside you.
You know you can always pick the ring-ins.
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u guys are sooooo funny!!!
glad all u guys stick 2 Cc jobs because u would not be able to do anything else.
o.k let me come clean...........
all of u guys would make great politicians because u all feed each other words.
Iguana head..... why would I need to have manners the CC need the manners I'm the one paying $7,995 AUD for my long haul trips.
You r wrong, not all CC do good jobs as u suggest. As I said QF male gay CC try and crack on to business travellers, all i want to do is sit, lay back and sleep. Have not been QF lately and don't intend to, when I pay 8 grand for a trip and am travelling more than you guys are rostered on flight hours, I want the best carriers, so I stick to my ANA's, Malaysian, Singapores, JAL etc..... REAL SERVICE, REALL CC,
OVERHERE.....I've got plenty of proof,a nd i can post what i want, when i want.... proof JETSTAR will fail go to school... will u.... I predicted it will did not say i wish it would
here is my proof of gay come ons??......darling i've travelled more frequently than Molly Meldrum... get the hint, I've had my share of CC and after my bedroom activities I have seen what is under the bed so their is my proof!!!!
QF a great company to work for " that was then, this is now"
Mr Seatback.......yes my gramar is terrible, my secretary idoes all of my work for me,a nd she is on leave til Feb 7th, doubt she would participate in this nonsense though.
No no...... I'm going for a holiday to Lizard Island...u guys could only dream.
I was going to come clean, was i not.
Well the reason I ended up on this thread is quite simple, I have a friend that wants to be a CC ( God knows why ) he was sooooo nervous, so I went with him to this Virgin day and gave him confidence. Well that I got him, because he has an interview on Monday, the only problem is I got in as well, but i was a "dummy bidder" not even wanting the job and that is why i referred to anyone that wants to get in to Emirates can, because a couple of my friends that are pilots took another 3 friends to these stupid Opening days and got them in as well, ohhhhh how unusual, they got in as well, but this airline apparently held interviews in the afternoon and they jumped out quickly b4 the stupid recruiters could tell and 2 of the other 3 got in. Both went to Dubai and we all went out because both came back as did many others. I got envolved on pprune through my pilot friend etc.... get the drift, now all you crazy want to be are to be havebeen etc... get a life please!!!!!!
That's it from me
interesting all the abuse I get on this forum, if only you saw my private messages thx for the support guys re: this bit of fun
o.k let me come clean...........
all of u guys would make great politicians because u all feed each other words.
Iguana head..... why would I need to have manners the CC need the manners I'm the one paying $7,995 AUD for my long haul trips.
You r wrong, not all CC do good jobs as u suggest. As I said QF male gay CC try and crack on to business travellers, all i want to do is sit, lay back and sleep. Have not been QF lately and don't intend to, when I pay 8 grand for a trip and am travelling more than you guys are rostered on flight hours, I want the best carriers, so I stick to my ANA's, Malaysian, Singapores, JAL etc..... REAL SERVICE, REALL CC,
OVERHERE.....I've got plenty of proof,a nd i can post what i want, when i want.... proof JETSTAR will fail go to school... will u.... I predicted it will did not say i wish it would
here is my proof of gay come ons??......darling i've travelled more frequently than Molly Meldrum... get the hint, I've had my share of CC and after my bedroom activities I have seen what is under the bed so their is my proof!!!!
QF a great company to work for " that was then, this is now"
Mr Seatback.......yes my gramar is terrible, my secretary idoes all of my work for me,a nd she is on leave til Feb 7th, doubt she would participate in this nonsense though.
No no...... I'm going for a holiday to Lizard Island...u guys could only dream.
I was going to come clean, was i not.
Well the reason I ended up on this thread is quite simple, I have a friend that wants to be a CC ( God knows why ) he was sooooo nervous, so I went with him to this Virgin day and gave him confidence. Well that I got him, because he has an interview on Monday, the only problem is I got in as well, but i was a "dummy bidder" not even wanting the job and that is why i referred to anyone that wants to get in to Emirates can, because a couple of my friends that are pilots took another 3 friends to these stupid Opening days and got them in as well, ohhhhh how unusual, they got in as well, but this airline apparently held interviews in the afternoon and they jumped out quickly b4 the stupid recruiters could tell and 2 of the other 3 got in. Both went to Dubai and we all went out because both came back as did many others. I got envolved on pprune through my pilot friend etc.... get the drift, now all you crazy want to be are to be havebeen etc... get a life please!!!!!!
That's it from me
interesting all the abuse I get on this forum, if only you saw my private messages thx for the support guys re: this bit of fun
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Wanttobecc,
for someone so scornful of our profession, you spend a helluva lot of time on this Forum. Well, I take it your secretary is doing all the work, ain't she?
Ah you're banned from the topic; because if you can waste your time being disagreeable, well you won't waste mine.
Back to the topic guys and gals???
for someone so scornful of our profession, you spend a helluva lot of time on this Forum. Well, I take it your secretary is doing all the work, ain't she?
Ah you're banned from the topic; because if you can waste your time being disagreeable, well you won't waste mine.
Back to the topic guys and gals???
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Oh wanttobe...you always bring a smile to my face...
Perhaps we could stick to things we do well - like speaking English properly when trying to make a valid argument. Because none of us have degrees or anything - according to the wise sage known as 'wanttobecc'.
Well this statement says it all doesn't it? Curious to know which route you've flown for this fare and in which class ... don't mess with former travel consultants who've issued thousands of tickets in the past (and know their fares)...
How can you have proof of something happening when it hasn't even started yet? Any so called proof is presumption and speculation on your part. Like most of the tripe you've been serving thus far...
Your secretary...uh-huh...Yeah...because there's SOOOO much evidence in your favour stating your abilities and skills that would prove you've ever had a secretary under your employment. The closest you've ever come to a secretary is installing Microsoft Word on your PC - and even that's at a pinch.
Damn - thought we could offload you there. You're right - we could only be dreaming.
But do you mean that WE dream YOU would go, or that we could go? Because either way, Lizard Island is not all that exclusive, dearest. Far from it. DO tell me - are you travelling First Class like you do everywhere else?
And on that note, why aren't you flying to somewhere far more exotic and expensive (since monetary figures seem to figure prominently in your identity and your desperate grabs for security/popularity...)? Or have you been EVERYWHERE already...forgive me for being so PRESUMPTUOUS (I dare you to look that one up in the dictionary).
I would have liked to have responded to the remainder of your effortless drivvel, but sadly couldn't for the life of me interpret your ramblings into any sense. I tried - lord knows I tried - but a far more interesting doco called "Enema's through the 20th Century" blasted onto Discovery Channel. At least THAT made sense. Funnily enough I thought of you wanttobe...isn't that odd?
And as for receiving private messages of support - well, if you have received any (if at all - I dare you to publish them), it only proves that others have reached the same lowest common denominator as yourself. Pity them for agreeing with you - how I don't know, since I can barely interpret your ramblings.
The abuse you receive here is well deserved given your general stupidity on matters relating to all things airline and travel orientated.
"glad all u guys stick 2 Cc jobs because u would not be able to do anything else."
"Iguana head..... why would I need to have manners the CC need the manners I'm the one paying $7,995 AUD for my long haul trips."
"proof JETSTAR will fail go to school... will u.... I predicted it will did not say i wish it would"
"Mr Seatback.......yes my gramar is terrible, my secretary idoes all of my work for me,a nd she is on leave til Feb 7th, doubt she would participate in this nonsense though.
"No no...... I'm going for a holiday to Lizard Island...u guys could only dream."
But do you mean that WE dream YOU would go, or that we could go? Because either way, Lizard Island is not all that exclusive, dearest. Far from it. DO tell me - are you travelling First Class like you do everywhere else?
And on that note, why aren't you flying to somewhere far more exotic and expensive (since monetary figures seem to figure prominently in your identity and your desperate grabs for security/popularity...)? Or have you been EVERYWHERE already...forgive me for being so PRESUMPTUOUS (I dare you to look that one up in the dictionary).
I would have liked to have responded to the remainder of your effortless drivvel, but sadly couldn't for the life of me interpret your ramblings into any sense. I tried - lord knows I tried - but a far more interesting doco called "Enema's through the 20th Century" blasted onto Discovery Channel. At least THAT made sense. Funnily enough I thought of you wanttobe...isn't that odd?
And as for receiving private messages of support - well, if you have received any (if at all - I dare you to publish them), it only proves that others have reached the same lowest common denominator as yourself. Pity them for agreeing with you - how I don't know, since I can barely interpret your ramblings.
The abuse you receive here is well deserved given your general stupidity on matters relating to all things airline and travel orientated.
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Sorry Flyblue, our posts must have crossed in transmission.
I just loved this bit...(I'll get back on topic REALLY QUICKLY I promise)
It is with great pleasure that I inaugurate the 'getting back on topic' post, after my most recent 'handbags at 5 paces' retaliations (all very healthy rather than bottling up - so says mum)...
Don't forget guys that there will be HEAPS of recruitment for both VB and JetStar this year...GET YOUR APPLICATIONS IN!
Does VB have part time crew yet? I know Impulse/JetStar has part time provisions in their agreement...what about DJ? Maybe that's a key point in the level of turnover...that, and the fact they spend so much time away from home.
Impulse, unlike DJ, has 4 bases - soon to be 5! DJ only has 2 bases - meaning more overnights...suits some, not for everyone though!
I just loved this bit...(I'll get back on topic REALLY QUICKLY I promise)
"because if you can waste your time being disagreeable, well you won't waste mine.
Don't forget guys that there will be HEAPS of recruitment for both VB and JetStar this year...GET YOUR APPLICATIONS IN!
Does VB have part time crew yet? I know Impulse/JetStar has part time provisions in their agreement...what about DJ? Maybe that's a key point in the level of turnover...that, and the fact they spend so much time away from home.
Impulse, unlike DJ, has 4 bases - soon to be 5! DJ only has 2 bases - meaning more overnights...suits some, not for everyone though!
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Travel....
Someone asked earlier in the thread about which airlines
are available for Virgin Blue staff travel.
*Virgin Atlantic
*Virgin Express
*Pacific Blue
*Emirates
There is also an exchange program with Virgin Atlantic with
the first 40 DJ F/As leaving next month on a one year contract
with an option to extend to 2 years and guaranteed their jobs
back when they return home.
This I believe is a great idea and gives these lucky ones the
chance to travel to the U.S., Bahamas, Africa etc as well as
see Europe on their time off.
With 6 weeks leave a year, all DJ cabin crew can avail themselves
cheap travel on any of the above airlines and see the world.
are available for Virgin Blue staff travel.
*Virgin Atlantic
*Virgin Express
*Pacific Blue
*Emirates
There is also an exchange program with Virgin Atlantic with
the first 40 DJ F/As leaving next month on a one year contract
with an option to extend to 2 years and guaranteed their jobs
back when they return home.
This I believe is a great idea and gives these lucky ones the
chance to travel to the U.S., Bahamas, Africa etc as well as
see Europe on their time off.
With 6 weeks leave a year, all DJ cabin crew can avail themselves
cheap travel on any of the above airlines and see the world.
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staff travel
what discount do staff and family/friends actualy get? my friend who works for dj was telling me he can nominte his friends to get staff travel
could anyone please clarify this?
could anyone please clarify this?
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There are two tiers for staff travel. Group A is yourself, your partner and I think your children. Group B is up to four people, they can be family or friends.
There are limits to how many times you can change your nominated travellers and there are also limits on how many sectors group B travellers can do.
I think the discounted rate works out at around 30% of full fare. Group A get credits per year to put towards travel, once they run out however they pay the 30% rate. All taxes are paid on top of discounted fare as is the norm.
Hope this helps
There are limits to how many times you can change your nominated travellers and there are also limits on how many sectors group B travellers can do.
I think the discounted rate works out at around 30% of full fare. Group A get credits per year to put towards travel, once they run out however they pay the 30% rate. All taxes are paid on top of discounted fare as is the norm.
Hope this helps
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Oh My God!
Guys... it took me 2 hours to read this whole post... 
I feel very old......
As an ex VB, QF, AA, Impulse and God knows who's reject, I feel i am ENTITLED to my 2 cents comments... so there I am:
Point 1: - You guys should be happy to have a job in aviation in Australia, no matter who you work for! I didn't have that luck...
Try to do that job in sunny England then you tell me...
Point 2: - Scheduled, charter and low cost are 3 completely different types of airlines. Ok they all have pilots, cabin crew, tech & ground staff, they all put planes in the sky... other than that they've got NOTHING in common. Totally different businesses! How can you compare QF and VB? I don't get it!
Point 3: - The cabin crew force for each company is selected very differently depending on what the airline is willing to create (image) and obtain from the staff (safety and service usually). Of course a young competitive low cost business with energetic attitude like VB or Easyjet is more likely to select younger people for the job whilst a long-time established company like Qantas or any other flag carrier will predominantly select staff with customer service experience and languages (which often but not as a rule means cutting off the very young population from the interview process). These people will receive different training (except from SEP's) and will work with a different philosophy, which is why a transition from one type of business to the other can be very demanding and somehow frustrating.
Point 4: - Flag carriers are less likely to have a huge turnover of staff because these are businesses where employees join thinking about a career prospect in the long-term. The crew see their job as an investment to their future and often feel safer asking for a mortgage once they have joined this type of airline. This is not the case of most low cost airlines' employees who are eager to learn, get experience and move on. This doesn't mean working for a low-cost is less rewarding (economically or professionally), it just means that the job is more often seen as a transitional occupation.
CONCLUSION: This is not gona sort out your Aussie conflict... but you guys need to relax a bit more about all this. I work for a charter airline. Honestly I do not like very much our product and I would probabily never fly with us if I was a holiday maker... but I find advantages in what I do: the company is not too strict, I know most of the staff I work with, I do a mix of short and long-haul, I've got plenty of time off in winter, I like spending my time between the Caribbean and the Indian Ocean as much as I like coming back home at the end of a long day on an A320... so what? Does that mean I gotta insult Monarch, Britannia and MyTravel's staff on the bus? I don't think so... we all park in carpark X and they know my car!
Take a step at a time, see what the company is offering you, ask yourself what you feel ready to do for that amount of money... (every person has a price... too true!). Are you OK cleaning the plane? Are you ok leaving your family for a few days? Are you happy with flying around Australia only or would you rather be flying around the world? Is this just an experience or do you see it as a career? Where do you want to live? Is your family happy to move there with you? Is the airline solid enough for you to feel secure about your job and buy a house? Do you get permanent employment? What about maternity leave?
Based on all these factors (and many more) you can choose which airline is best for you as an employer... then you can fly on hols with BA, VB or Emirates, who cares!
What I'm saying is that everyone has chosen a company because that's what SUITS THEM.
Floaty
I feel very old......
As an ex VB, QF, AA, Impulse and God knows who's reject, I feel i am ENTITLED to my 2 cents comments... so there I am:
Point 1: - You guys should be happy to have a job in aviation in Australia, no matter who you work for! I didn't have that luck...
Try to do that job in sunny England then you tell me...
Point 2: - Scheduled, charter and low cost are 3 completely different types of airlines. Ok they all have pilots, cabin crew, tech & ground staff, they all put planes in the sky... other than that they've got NOTHING in common. Totally different businesses! How can you compare QF and VB? I don't get it!
Point 3: - The cabin crew force for each company is selected very differently depending on what the airline is willing to create (image) and obtain from the staff (safety and service usually). Of course a young competitive low cost business with energetic attitude like VB or Easyjet is more likely to select younger people for the job whilst a long-time established company like Qantas or any other flag carrier will predominantly select staff with customer service experience and languages (which often but not as a rule means cutting off the very young population from the interview process). These people will receive different training (except from SEP's) and will work with a different philosophy, which is why a transition from one type of business to the other can be very demanding and somehow frustrating.
Point 4: - Flag carriers are less likely to have a huge turnover of staff because these are businesses where employees join thinking about a career prospect in the long-term. The crew see their job as an investment to their future and often feel safer asking for a mortgage once they have joined this type of airline. This is not the case of most low cost airlines' employees who are eager to learn, get experience and move on. This doesn't mean working for a low-cost is less rewarding (economically or professionally), it just means that the job is more often seen as a transitional occupation.
CONCLUSION: This is not gona sort out your Aussie conflict... but you guys need to relax a bit more about all this. I work for a charter airline. Honestly I do not like very much our product and I would probabily never fly with us if I was a holiday maker... but I find advantages in what I do: the company is not too strict, I know most of the staff I work with, I do a mix of short and long-haul, I've got plenty of time off in winter, I like spending my time between the Caribbean and the Indian Ocean as much as I like coming back home at the end of a long day on an A320... so what? Does that mean I gotta insult Monarch, Britannia and MyTravel's staff on the bus? I don't think so... we all park in carpark X and they know my car!
Take a step at a time, see what the company is offering you, ask yourself what you feel ready to do for that amount of money... (every person has a price... too true!). Are you OK cleaning the plane? Are you ok leaving your family for a few days? Are you happy with flying around Australia only or would you rather be flying around the world? Is this just an experience or do you see it as a career? Where do you want to live? Is your family happy to move there with you? Is the airline solid enough for you to feel secure about your job and buy a house? Do you get permanent employment? What about maternity leave?
Based on all these factors (and many more) you can choose which airline is best for you as an employer... then you can fly on hols with BA, VB or Emirates, who cares!
What I'm saying is that everyone has chosen a company because that's what SUITS THEM.
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Wanttobea****** any comments re: another large profit
Another record profit !!!!!!!!!
16 new flights per week.
2 new destinations and another 2 London landing slots.
Now 7th largest airline in world from a country of 20 million.
Gee we really are on the ropes arn't we fool ?
Please keep flying with who ever you fly with as your B.O. and bad breath will not be tolerated again on QF.
ie stop talking so much BS
16 new flights per week.
2 new destinations and another 2 London landing slots.
Now 7th largest airline in world from a country of 20 million.
Gee we really are on the ropes arn't we fool ?
Please keep flying with who ever you fly with as your B.O. and bad breath will not be tolerated again on QF.
ie stop talking so much BS
